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May 11, 2010 10:21 AM
Anyone who says the AAU is not important didn't go to a good school and are jealous of the success of anyone who did.

That is all.
May 11, 2010 10:21am
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May 11, 2010 10:37 AM
The Big Ten would have no interest in the follow border/ inclusive schools: West Virgina, Kentucky, Louisville, Cincinnati.

The only school in the SEC that would make sense for academics and revenue would be Florida sans geographic location.

I'd think Pitt would be the fifth team if all others accept (which is not likely).
May 11, 2010 10:37am
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May 11, 2010 10:44 AM
The AAU membership is very important to the Big Ten for two main reasons.

1. It makes the conference look good academically and it allows all of the member schools to have a common vision and goal academically, as well as athletically.
2. It helps to create a more level playing field for admission and academic standards for the schools. Yes, some schools in the conference still have higher academic standards than others, but this creates a more level playing field than if some of the schools were not AAU members.
May 11, 2010 10:44am
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May 11, 2010 10:44 AM
I admit, I selfishly would love to drive an hour into Jersey to watch OSU play Rutgers every two years, and seeing how many OSU fans are in NYC, I am sure I wouldn't be alone!
May 11, 2010 10:44am
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May 11, 2010 11:03 AM
BigAppleBuckeye wrote: I admit, I selfishly would love to drive an hour into Jersey to watch OSU play Rutgers every two years, and seeing how many OSU fans are in NYC, I am sure I wouldn't be alone!
You wouldn't be. I have a feeling that OSU games at Rutgers would be like OSU games at Northwestern. I've seen the Buckeyes play at Ryan Field twice and both times the crowd was probably 60-70% Buckeye fans.
May 11, 2010 11:03am
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May 11, 2010 11:06 AM
BigAppleBuckeye wrote: I admit, I selfishly would love to drive an hour into Jersey to watch OSU play Rutgers every two years, and seeing how many OSU fans are in NYC, I am sure I wouldn't be alone!
If they end up at 16 teams, it may be more than every two years. It will be very interesting to see how the split up the divisions and do the schedules.
May 11, 2010 11:06am
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May 11, 2010 11:36 AM
ts1227 wrote: I know they require it, but it makes no sense.

The Big Ten is an athletic conference first and foremost.
The AAU has nothing to do with that whatsoever because by and large all that means is you have a good graduate program (research money).

I am saying there is no purpose to their stupid stipulation other than the benefit that they do get from people who are not familiar with all of that stuff assuming it means they have smart athletes, or are better undergraduate schools (because by and large, they are no different than anyone else at the undergraduate level, all of that research is at the Masters and PhD level).

I'm not saying you made that assumption, I'm just saying it exists.
It's because the Big Ten historically is the CIC. THAT'S where the reputation is on the line, not athletically.
May 11, 2010 11:36am
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May 11, 2010 11:53 AM
what will schedules look like if this came true?
May 11, 2010 11:53am
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May 11, 2010 12:30 PM
OhioStatePride2003 wrote: I was surprised that it was Rutgers out of the Big East and not Pitt.
i'm sure joe pa had something to do with that.
May 11, 2010 12:30pm
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May 11, 2010 12:36 PM
sjmvsfscs08 wrote: I think everyone can agree that this move is about the Big Ten Network's expansion, and it is interesting to see how a school in Indiana can add tens of millions of viewers to the Big Ten Network. While I don't have access to any Notre Dame alumni databases, or NBC's TV statistics, I think I have a rather unscientific yet interesting way of looking at what markets would be added. Assuming the areas of the country that have a larger quantity of Irish fans have more applicants and thus more students and alumni, one can assume that the top ten areas of where Irish alumni reside would add TV markets. Again, extremely unscientific but interesting.

TV Markets in the top ten places Notre Dame's young alumni reside:
-Chicago (#3 TV market)
-South Bend
-Washington DC (#9 TV market)
-New York City (#1 TV market)
-Los Angeles (#2 TV market)
-Minneapolis (#15 TV market)
-Boston (#7 TV market)
-Indianapolis (#25 TV market)
-Philadelphia (#4 TV market)
-Atlanta (#8 TV Market)

The bold are the markets currently outside of the BTN's reach (Philadelphia?). I'm sure they'd love the national fan base that would want to watch Notre Dame's game like they have been for years with NBC.

How many students attend ND? 11,000? I doubt where the alumni live really makes a big deal as far as TV markets. The fact that every catholic thinks they have some tie to the school is why they are able to have a national tv contract not alumni living areas.
May 11, 2010 12:36pm
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May 11, 2010 12:40 PM
I know i'll start something here, but I can understand why ND wont want to join, it will lock them up around 6-6 to 8-4 for years to come.
May 11, 2010 12:40pm
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May 11, 2010 12:57 PM
Pick6 wrote: I know i'll start something here, but I can understand why ND wont want to join, it will lock them up around 6-6 to 8-4 for years to come.
sleeper, is that you?
May 11, 2010 12:57pm
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May 11, 2010 12:57 PM
as long as NBC is paying top shelf price for a beer in a can product, it's stupid for ND to join any conference.
May 11, 2010 12:57pm
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May 11, 2010 12:59 PM
and I'm not trying to start shit. I'd like to think that the ND fans on here will agree their TV deal is waaaaaaaaaay too good for how they've performed. They have almost as much to lose and not as much to gain by joining the big ten.
May 11, 2010 12:59pm
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May 11, 2010 1:04 PM
ND makes $9 mill per year from NBC. Last year, the Big 10 paid out $22 mill to each Big 10 school. I really doubt ND made $12 mill from it's other sports.

It's really not a good reason for them to stay out of any conference.
May 11, 2010 1:04pm
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May 11, 2010 1:12 PM
WebFire wrote: ND makes $9 mill per year from NBC. Last year, the Big 10 paid out $22 mill to each Big 10 school. I really doubt ND made $12 mill from it's other sports.

It's really not a good reason for them to stay out of any conference.
you're right when it comes to the money, they'd make more in the conference, but what i'm saying is, they've got guaranteed money from the TV deal, plus they're already an automatic BCS bid, plus not having a conference schedule allows them to play some good rivalries that would be lost.

I understand that they stand to make more money by joining, but you have to admit the TV deal is good enough that they can sit tight and do what they've been doing.

think of it like this, in order to get into the BCS NC from the big ten, you'd have to beat (potentially)

UM, PSU, OSU, Mizzou, NEB, Wisconsin, MSU, Purdue, PLUS USC (assuming they don't cancel that rivalry), PLUS a BIG 10 CHAMPIONSHIP GAME

Or now they can just play
GT, USC, PSU, MSU, Navy, Army, Duke, Purdue, etc.
May 11, 2010 1:12pm
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May 11, 2010 1:16 PM
I hear a lot of ND fans chest thump that they don't need the Big 10, maybe so but they sure as shit would benefit. I hear those same people claim the Big 10 NEEDS ND...let's make this clear, the Big 10 does not need Notre Dame...at all. The Big 10 will continue to rake in mad cash, with or without ND.

The thing that is preventing ND from joining the Big 10 is tradition bliinded alumni that continue to think ND can stand alone despite a continued shitty field performance. And, so far so good. Don't think I'd be putting all my eggs in that NBC basket however, I could see NBC yanking that contract faster than a fat kid eating cake...then what?

Time for ND to make a move, not because the Big 10 needs you, but because it's in their best interest as a safety net.
May 11, 2010 1:16pm
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May 11, 2010 1:19 PM
j_crazy wrote:
WebFire wrote: ND makes $9 mill per year from NBC. Last year, the Big 10 paid out $22 mill to each Big 10 school. I really doubt ND made $12 mill from it's other sports.

It's really not a good reason for them to stay out of any conference.
you're right when it comes to the money, they'd make more in the conference, but what i'm saying is, they've got guaranteed money from the TV deal, plus they're already an automatic BCS bid, plus not having a conference schedule allows them to play some good rivalries that would be lost.

I understand that they stand to make more money by joining, but you have to admit the TV deal is good enough that they can sit tight and do what they've been doing.

think of it like this, in order to get into the BCS NC from the big ten, you'd have to beat (potentially)

UM, PSU, OSU, Mizzou, NEB, Wisconsin, MSU, Purdue, PLUS USC (assuming they don't cancel that rivalry), PLUS a BIG 10 CHAMPIONSHIP GAME

Or now they can just play
GT, USC, PSU, MSU, Navy, Army, Duke, Purdue, etc.
You're forgetting a major possibility here:

If the Big Ten expansion to 16 goes through (and I believe it will) you'll see an end result of FOUR super conferences in place: Big 10, SEC, PAC 10, and ACC/Big East.

That PERFECTLY sets up a playoff scenario that can use (rotate) the major bowls each season, without disrupting the academic schedule any more than now exists (the wet dream of the presidents).

Does ND really want to be left OUT of that scenario?

Would ND ALLOW itself to be left out of that very possible scenario?

I doubt it -- I don't give a damn how much their fans/alums say they want to maintain their independence.

They will want ND in the mix for titles, even if they have to fight through a super conference championship game to get there. It sure beats not playing at all.
May 11, 2010 1:19pm
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May 11, 2010 1:38 PM
WebFire wrote: ND makes $9 mill per year from NBC. Last year, the Big 10 paid out $22 mill to each Big 10 school. I really doubt ND made $12 mill from it's other sports.

It's really not a good reason for them to stay out of any conference.
One big difference is that ND doesn't have to share their bowl money now. When they reach a BCS bowl, it is all theirs to keep.
May 11, 2010 1:38pm
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May 11, 2010 1:39 PM
BigAppleBuckeye wrote: I admit, I selfishly would love to drive an hour into Jersey to watch OSU play Rutgers every two years, and seeing how many OSU fans are in NYC, I am sure I wouldn't be alone!
If this expansion happen, I imagine OSU-Rutgers (and possibly Michigan-Rutgers)will be played at the new Meadowlands Stadium. Rutgers stadium holds 52,000. The new stadium holds 82,500 I believe.
May 11, 2010 1:39pm
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May 11, 2010 1:41 PM
Pick6 wrote: I know i'll start something here, but I can understand why ND wont want to join, it will lock them up around 6-6 to 8-4 for years to come.
They have struggled lately, but I don't think they are locked into average seasons anymore than Michigan or Nebraska are. I remember when I was young in the 80's that the Buckeyes went through many average years. All of the national powers can turn it around if they get right people running the program. As a Buckeye fan, I would love to see ND in the Big Ten.
May 11, 2010 1:41pm
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May 11, 2010 1:41 PM
Al Bundy wrote:
WebFire wrote: ND makes $9 mill per year from NBC. Last year, the Big 10 paid out $22 mill to each Big 10 school. I really doubt ND made $12 mill from it's other sports.

It's really not a good reason for them to stay out of any conference.
One big difference is that ND doesn't have to share their bowl money now. When they reach a BCS bowl, it is all theirs to keep.
With the implementation of the most recent BCS contract in 2006, Notre Dame no longer gets a full BCS share for a BCS game ($14 million at the time, now $18 million) but settled for $4.5 million, the amount given to a second place team from a conference.Additionally, for the length of the four-year contract, the Irish would receive a 1/66th share of BCS money as the 66th team in the BCS – about $1.3 million – when they did not go to a BCS game.

Source: http://clashmoremike.com/2009/07/notre-dame-and-the-bcs-the-notre-dame-rule/##ixzz0ndylSR6H
Not sure if the contract runs out, but ND does not get the full BCS $$$ from the games.
May 11, 2010 1:41pm
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May 11, 2010 1:53 PM
bases_loaded wrote: How many students attend ND? 11,000? I doubt where the alumni live really makes a big deal as far as TV markets. The fact that every catholic thinks they have some tie to the school is why they are able to have a national tv contract not alumni living areas.
I agree, that's why I said this:
sjmvsfscs08 wrote: Assuming the areas of the country that have a larger quantity of Irish fans have more applicants and thus more students and alumni
If there's a correlation between fan base size and alumni, those markets would be in play.
May 11, 2010 1:53pm
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May 11, 2010 2:09 PM
Al Bundy wrote:
WebFire wrote: ND makes $9 mill per year from NBC. Last year, the Big 10 paid out $22 mill to each Big 10 school. I really doubt ND made $12 mill from it's other sports.

It's really not a good reason for them to stay out of any conference.
One big difference is that ND doesn't have to share their bowl money now. When they reach a BCS bowl, it is all theirs to keep.
Thats the key word, reach. The last time they made a BCS bowl was against OSU. And before that?
May 11, 2010 2:09pm
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May 11, 2010 2:18 PM
WebFire wrote: ND makes $9 mill per year from NBC. Last year, the Big 10 paid out $22 mill to each Big 10 school. I really doubt ND made $12 mill from it's other sports.

It's really not a good reason for them to stay out of any conference.
I don't know if you know this or not, but the $22 million that is reported to be paid to each Big Ten school from the BTN is not accurate. It is money paid through a number of different income streams. Bowl money is all shared, national tv packages, and I think NCAA tourney money. The big ten network is not as lucrative as some think and some are speculating that the numbers are being inflated to entice other schools to join.
May 11, 2010 2:18pm