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May 12, 2010 12:06 AM
Pick6 wrote: there is not 1 nd fan for joining the conference, why? You know it would be better competition than boston college. You already play the middle of the road big 10 teams like MSU and Purdue.
You seriously just talk out of your ass. First you state that ND's last BCS bowl was against OSU when in fact it was the year after that against LSU. Then you say not 1 ND fan is in favor of joining the Big 10. Really? Read my first fucking post on this thread and then get back to me.
May 12, 2010 12:06am
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sjmvsfscs08

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May 12, 2010 3:07 AM
Yeah I'm fairly certain I mentioned I'm in favor of Notre Dame joining the Big Ten too. So basically, he can't read.
May 12, 2010 3:07am
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May 12, 2010 9:44 AM
ytownfootball wrote: krambman

I'm not so certain the NCAA couldn't sanction a play-off if they wanted to. The BCS has a contract with member schools, so from that angle they'd have to wait till the contract is up. In other words they sit on their hands. The NCAA could theoretically (I believe) govern how to go about post season play, but choose not to because everyone is satisfied with the current system (well, more or less).

The NCAA hasn't been able to sanction (not ever) a NC since the inception of Bowl games, and the AP nonsense. I'm not sure they couldn't do so if they wished.
You may not be certain but I am. I guess we really each need to define what we mean when we say the NCAA. When I read NCAA I think Mark Emmert (he'll be the new president in November) and the Board of Directors. If they wanted, they could declare a tournament and national championship in D-1A college football, but none of the big schools would participate because they could make more money in the bowls. They would simply say that the BCS championship is still the real national championship. Now, if by NCAA you mean the member schools, then yes, you are correct, they could establish a playoff if they wanted. But that's not really the NCAA, it's the member schools and their presidents. The actual governing body known as the NCAA has no power to establish a playoff unless given that power by a majority vote of the presidents of the member schools. All of the power that the NCAA has comes from the member schools. If they wanted to, the schools could choose to leave the NCAA and form some other governing body at any time if they so desired.
May 12, 2010 9:44am
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OhioStatePride2003

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May 12, 2010 12:53 PM
WebFire wrote: Doesn't matter anyway.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5181741
It's all complete speculation. As been stated before, until something actually happens - there's no since in getting all wrapped up in the rumors. To my knowledge though, this is the first time that ESPN and their partners had reported a rumor of this sort, so I wouldn't say it's completely false.
May 12, 2010 12:53pm
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May 12, 2010 1:40 PM
OhioStatePride2003 wrote:
WebFire wrote: Doesn't matter anyway.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5181741
It's all complete speculation. As been stated before, until something actually happens - there's no since in getting all wrapped up in the rumors. To my knowledge though, this is the first time that ESPN and their partners had reported a rumor of this sort, so I wouldn't say it's completely false.
I still think that it's way to early for the conference to have made any decision firm enough to make any official offers. My guess is that these four schools had been contacted, either directly by the Big Ten or by some independent "head hunter" type firm to gauge their interest. I doubt that this rumor drew out of nothing.
May 12, 2010 1:40pm
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bigkahuna

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May 12, 2010 9:29 PM
I know it causes good discussion between us, but Damn It, I'm tired of all of this hear say bull shit!!

Let's invite Hawaii
May 12, 2010 9:29pm
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Al Bundy

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May 14, 2010 12:56 AM
bigkahuna wrote: I know it causes good discussion between us, but Damn It, I'm tired of all of this hear say bull shit!!

Let's invite Hawaii
LOL I'd love seeing Hawaii going to Wisconsin or Minnesota at the end of November.
May 14, 2010 12:56am
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May 14, 2010 7:26 AM
Al Bundy wrote:
bigkahuna wrote: I know it causes good discussion between us, but Damn It, I'm tired of all of this hear say bull shit!!

Let's invite Hawaii
LOL I'd love seeing Hawaii going to Wisconsin or Minnesota at the end of November.
Big 10 myth. I'm sure Hawaii could handle the 45-50 degrees that the Big 10 plays in November.
May 14, 2010 7:26am
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May 14, 2010 9:57 AM
bigkahuna wrote: I know it causes good discussion between us, but Damn It, I'm tired of all of this hear say bull shit!!

Let's invite Hawaii
Well, I believe the Big Ten is holding meetings in June -- so if nothing OFFICIAL is said at that time, you can expect more of this into the fall.

As noted above, I'm sure there's a third party doing some "discreet" inquiring with these universities on behalf of the Big Ten, and that's what is getting so many of these rumors started.

Oh well, it's summer...baseball sucks and Lebron has bombed, so what else do we really have to talk about, other than off season arrests (ugh) or disappointments in football/basketball recruiting? :P
May 14, 2010 9:57am
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May 14, 2010 12:09 PM
Writerbuckeye wrote: Oh well, it's summer...baseball sucks and Lebron has bombed, so what else do we really have to talk about, other than off season arrests (ugh) or disappointments in football/basketball recruiting? :P
So true. This is the deadest time of the year for college football. Spring football and the draft is over, fall camp hasn't started yet. There really isn't anything going on to talk about.
May 14, 2010 12:09pm
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bigkahuna

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May 14, 2010 1:03 PM
This is the deadest time for sports period. Or it will be soon.

Best part about early summer is the College World Series for Baseball and Softball
May 14, 2010 1:03pm
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bigkahuna

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May 14, 2010 1:06 PM
It's actually not a bad idea to invite Hawaii.

Because of travel, anyone who plays @ Hawaii gets to have a 13th game (usually a home game). That would be an extra game for 4-5 schools/ year. That would actually be a lot of change.
May 14, 2010 1:06pm
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Sonofanump

May 14, 2010 11:39 PM
Several (a lot more than the main four mentioned) schools have been contacted. They have contacted several schools not even mentioned here to gauge how they are with their current conference and see if they would be interested. This will be done prior to August so that the expansion will occur in 2012.
May 14, 2010 11:39pm
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thesystem

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May 15, 2010 11:15 AM
krambman wrote:
OhioStatePride2003 wrote:
WebFire wrote: Doesn't matter anyway.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5181741
It's all complete speculation. As been stated before, until something actually happens - there's no since in getting all wrapped up in the rumors. To my knowledge though, this is the first time that ESPN and their partners had reported a rumor of this sort, so I wouldn't say it's completely false.
I still think that it's way to early for the conference to have made any decision firm enough to make any official offers. My guess is that these four schools had been contacted, either directly by the Big Ten or by some independent "head hunter" type firm to gauge their interest. I doubt that this rumor drew out of nothing.
Apparently the big ten doesn't 'offer' anyone. The accept applications. Now, that's not saying someone didn't recommend they apply because they would be looked upon favorably. If any of the schools mentioned want to get into the Big Ten it won't be from being offered a spot.
May 15, 2010 11:15am
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May 16, 2010 12:46 PM
thesystem wrote: A good breakdown on Nebraska joining and some more hear-say.

http://www.omaha.com/article/20100516/SPORTS/705159781
"For two reasons — and burn these into your brain — it would be almost impossible for NU to say no to such an invitation.

The first is the academic prestige. The 11-member Big Ten is the only major athletic conference in which every school is in the Association of American Universities."

A lot of posters on this site seem to discount this fact that the writer of the article list as the first reason.
May 16, 2010 12:46pm
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May 16, 2010 3:50 PM
Sonofanump wrote:
thesystem wrote: A good breakdown on Nebraska joining and some more hear-say.

http://www.omaha.com/article/20100516/SPORTS/705159781
"For two reasons — and burn these into your brain — it would be almost impossible for NU to say no to such an invitation.

The first is the academic prestige. The 11-member Big Ten is the only major athletic conference in which every school is in the Association of American Universities."

A lot of posters on this site seem to discount this fact that the writer of the article list as the first reason.
Agreed. And an important reason it is.
May 16, 2010 3:50pm
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May 16, 2010 9:14 PM
hrspeedmerchant wrote:
Sonofanump wrote:
thesystem wrote: A good breakdown on Nebraska joining and some more hear-say.

http://www.omaha.com/article/20100516/SPORTS/705159781
"For two reasons — and burn these into your brain — it would be almost impossible for NU to say no to such an invitation.

The first is the academic prestige. The 11-member Big Ten is the only major athletic conference in which every school is in the Association of American Universities."

A lot of posters on this site seem to discount this fact that the writer of the article list as the first reason.
Agreed. And an important reason it is.
Indeed.

I'm not sure how the AAU funding works, but the article says there are billions of dollars involved, which makes the TV revenue from sports seem like pocket change.

Missouri and Nebraska have been AAU members since 1908 and 1909 and only have 7 of 12 schools in the Big 12 as members. Rutgers has only been an AAU member since 1989, and Notre Dame isn't.

Do more funds get distributed to the Big 10 because of the amount of AAU members? Or is it just divided evenly among schools?
May 16, 2010 9:14pm
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May 18, 2010 1:13 AM
Since we were talking about the money that the Big Ten brings in for it's member schools earlier, I though some of you might find this interesting.
The expansion talk comes at a time when at least some schools are struggling to pay their bills, and no conference gives its members more money than the Big Ten at approximately $22 million each. That's about double what the SEC and Pac-10 pay, with the Big 12 at about $7 million to $12 million and the Big East $4.5 million or less.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5196584

Like I've said before, the BTN brings in a lot of money for the conference and the Big Ten is unquestionably the most lucrative in the country. Expansion will only add to that.
May 18, 2010 1:13am
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sjmvsfscs08

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May 18, 2010 1:41 AM
krambman wrote: Expansion will only add to that.
Well there would be more members of the conference and thus more slices of the pie. Unless they grow the size of the pie, the amount would diminish significantly, no?
May 18, 2010 1:41am
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May 18, 2010 7:26 AM
sjmvsfscs08 wrote:
krambman wrote: Expansion will only add to that.
Well there would be more members of the conference and thus more slices of the pie. Unless they grow the size of the pie, the amount would diminish significantly, no?
Maybe at first, but when you add schools, you add markets. Thus growing the number of viewers of the BTN. The amount of money made will catch back up to what it was.
May 18, 2010 7:26am
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May 18, 2010 8:41 AM
brutus161 wrote:
sjmvsfscs08 wrote:
krambman wrote: Expansion will only add to that.
Well there would be more members of the conference and thus more slices of the pie. Unless they grow the size of the pie, the amount would diminish significantly, no?
Maybe at first, but when you add schools, you add markets. Thus growing the number of viewers of the BTN. The amount of money made will catch back up to what it was.
Correct. When they expand their ESPN deal will no doubt be renegotiated because of the addition of at least three schools. Also, if the schools mentioned previously are added, you're looking at the BTN being added in the St. Louis, New York, and Philadelphia markets. That's at least 20 million new subscribers. New York is the largest TV market in the country and Philly is the fifth largest. The Big Ten would likely add more bowl games with more teams as well.

This is one of the things addressed in the article and they said they wouldn't expand unless it increased (or at least maintained) current revenue for the member schools.
May 18, 2010 8:41am
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Al Bundy

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May 18, 2010 9:09 AM
brutus161 wrote:
sjmvsfscs08 wrote:
krambman wrote: Expansion will only add to that.
Well there would be more members of the conference and thus more slices of the pie. Unless they grow the size of the pie, the amount would diminish significantly, no?
Maybe at first, but when you add schools, you add markets. Thus growing the number of viewers of the BTN. The amount of money made will catch back up to what it was.
You also get to add a championship game in football, and that would add additional revenue.
May 18, 2010 9:09am
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May 18, 2010 9:52 AM
You'd likely be adding an additional day to the Big Ten tournament in basketball, and likely putting more teams in post season play, not only in basketball, but in all sports. There might be a slight drop in revenue the first year or two but that would quickly rebound.
May 18, 2010 9:52am