rock_knutne wrote:

DeyDurkie5 wrote:I have admitted that the Steelers have a chance and WILL BE IN THE PLAYOFFS....but IN MY FUCKING OPINION won't beat the teams I listed because I see them being better than the Steelers next year. It's not a hard concept to understand and doesn't have anything to do with logic or super bowl rings. I think the steelrs will be good, but won't make it to the super bowl....Mark it down and when it happens you can kiss my ass and pay me 1,000,000 dollars for being a hard-headed dumbass steelers fan who can't have an intelligent conversation because it doesn't involved licking the steelers nutsack

You're a flip flopper now too:

DeyDurkie5 wrote:Just because I'm a browns fan doesn't mean I'm blind to what the Steelers have accomplished. They are a good football team, but IMO not a team that is capable of making it to the super bowl. Playoffs without a doubt, but I just don't see them making the super bowl next year. The reason is because the Colts, Chargers, and Patriots are more likely to go simple as that.

Make up your mind, you're starting to contradict yourself. BTW, I can clearly see that your opinion has zero logic to it, no need to remind me.

Automatik wrote: People are quick to forget how good Ben was in the '05 playoffs. He absolutely torched Denver in the AFC championship.....IN THEIR HOUSE.

Automatik wrote: People are quick to forget how good Ben was in the '05 playoffs. He absolutely torched Denver in the AFC championship.....IN THEIR HOUSE.

DeyDurkie5 wrote: I haven't contradicted myself, I have stated clearly that I think they are a playoff team but will not make it to the Super Bowl..why is that so hard to take in and comprehend?

rock_knutne wrote:

DeyDurkie5 wrote: I haven't contradicted myself, I have stated clearly that I think they are a playoff team but will not make it to the Super Bowl..why is that so hard to take in and comprehend?

In the same post you say they have a chance and then say no way they make it. You drinking again?

DeyDurkie5 wrote:Everyone has a chance to make it to the super bowl if you make the playoffs, quit reading so much into a post. When the steelers make the playoffs, then not make the super bowl I will be sure to bring this thread up big guy

killer_ewok wrote: Eli is better than Trent was. I think Eli is a pretty good QB. It seemed like you were trying to place Ben in the same category as Dilfer and I disagree with that. Sean King? WTF? LOL.

I haven't read through the whole thread but I think most would agree that Peyton Manning is better than Ben. Brady and P. Manning are tops and then you have a group that includes (IMO) Brees, Rivers, Rodgers, Ben and a few others. I think it's ridiculous that some people still talk as if Ben is a game manager. He is above that and I think his play in crunch time and overall has proven that. The whole "he has a great team around him" line is overplayed as well. Sure, Ben has some key players on his team. The same thing could be said for pretty much all successful QB's. It's like they are saying that Manning, Brady and some other all-time greats like Montana did it mostly on their own. I disagree with that big time.

Did Ben suck in Super Bowl XL? Yep. Does that team make it there without him? NO. And I think he played pretty well in Super Bowl 43. He came up big in crunch time on the biggest stage in sports. "Game managers" don't do that.

To recap.....I know that Ben isn't as good as Brady, P. Manning and maybe a couple others......but I honestly think that he's underappreciated to an extent outside of Steeler fans. JMO.

Automatik wrote: I think its really funny how Cleveland fans obsess over Pittsburgh and their constant hoping that Pittsburgh fails. It must literally eat away at their souls that the Steelers are one of the most well ran franchises in all of sports and Cleveland is the total opposite.

Durkie's last post is a prime example of what I'm talking about. His team is terrible, so hes banking on Pittsburgh losing in the playoffs so he can come back with an "I told you so" next season. Absolutely pathetic.

DeyDurkie5 wrote:If that offends you then sorry, you shouldn't be having intelligent discussions about pro football

rock_knutne wrote:

DeyDurkie5 wrote:If that offends you then sorry, you shouldn't be having intelligent discussions about pro football

I don't think anyone is offended, your reasoning makes one scratch their head. It's crazy to leave the Steelers out of the conversation when talking about making and winning the Super Bowl. Most of their team is full of Super Bowl winners, some of them have done it twice. So to say that they will not be as good as the other teams you mentioned is crazy. I know you're going to come back with some pissed off response and that's fine but surely you have to think you're in the minority about the Steelers chances at getting back to the big game.

DeyDurkie5 wrote:

Automatik wrote: I think its really funny how Cleveland fans obsess over Pittsburgh and their constant hoping that Pittsburgh fails. It must literally eat away at their souls that the Steelers are one of the most well ran franchises in all of sports and Cleveland is the total opposite.

Durkie's last post is a prime example of what I'm talking about. His team is terrible, so hes banking on Pittsburgh losing in the playoffs so he can come back with an "I told you so" next season. Absolutely pathetic.

Once again, I am not here bashing steelers...the only reason it got to this point is because steeler fans can't have a normal convo because their team is the greatest in the world and can't lose ever. I am not banking on the steelers to lose, I don't give a fuck what they do, I am merely stating that I don't think they will win the super bowl. I think they will be a good team and will make it to the playoffs, but won't have what it takes to get to the SB. If that offends you then sorry, you shouldn't be having intelligent discussions about pro football

DeyDurkie5 wrote:I'm sure I am in the minority, just as you were when picking the saints for the playoff pick em contest. Does that make you retarded? No, because you ended up winning. It's just inconceivable to you because you are so wrapped up in the steelers past success that you can't fathom them not being in the discussion

killer_ewok wrote:

Automatik wrote: People are quick to forget how good Ben was in the '05 playoffs. He absolutely torched Denver in the AFC championship.....IN THEIR HOUSE.

This. He stunk in that Super Bowl but they never make it there without his play in the regular season and his brilliant postseason up to that point. And then there are little things like making the tackle after Bettis fumbled.

trep14 wrote:

killer_ewok wrote:

Automatik wrote: People are quick to forget how good Ben was in the '05 playoffs. He absolutely torched Denver in the AFC championship.....IN THEIR HOUSE.

This. He stunk in that Super Bowl but they never make it there without his play in the regular season and his brilliant postseason up to that point. And then there are little things like making the tackle after Bettis fumbled.

Idk, Manning put up better numbers last night in a loss than Big Ben did in that SB win, yet Big Ben is getting credit for having won two super bowls. That is the basis of a lot of Steelers fans trying to seriously make a case that Big Ben is a better quarterback than Manning. Steelers fans are making fun of Manning for choking last night when Ben came in to the super bowl and put up some of the worst numbers for a quarterback in the history of the game, yet his team bailed him out that game so he is a better qb.

LTrain23 wrote:

killer_ewok wrote: Eli is better than Trent was. I think Eli is a pretty good QB. It seemed like you were trying to place Ben in the same category as Dilfer and I disagree with that. Sean King? WTF? LOL.

I haven't read through the whole thread but I think most would agree that Peyton Manning is better than Ben. Brady and P. Manning are tops and then you have a group that includes (IMO) Brees, Rivers, Rodgers, Ben and a few others. I think it's ridiculous that some people still talk as if Ben is a game manager. He is above that and I think his play in crunch time and overall has proven that. The whole "he has a great team around him" line is overplayed as well. Sure, Ben has some key players on his team. The same thing could be said for pretty much all successful QB's. It's like they are saying that Manning, Brady and some other all-time greats like Montana did it mostly on their own. I disagree with that big time.

Did Ben suck in Super Bowl XL? Yep. Does that team make it there without him? NO. And I think he played pretty well in Super Bowl 43. He came up big in crunch time on the biggest stage in sports. "Game managers" don't do that.

To recap.....I know that Ben isn't as good as Brady, P. Manning and maybe a couple others......but I honestly think that he's underappreciated to an extent outside of Steeler fans. JMO.

Big Ben isn't unappreciated by me. Like I said, even as a Browns fan I realize how good Big Ben is. He's honestly one of my favorite QB's in the game. I like how he plays the game and is usually able to rally the team together...

I just think the entire topic is idiotic. Ben isn't better than Peyton or Brady.. But he is up there in the top 5 no doubt.. Possibly sitting right behind those two.

I can say, I'd take him on the Browns ANY day.

Automatik wrote:

trep14 wrote:

killer_ewok wrote:

Automatik wrote: People are quick to forget how good Ben was in the '05 playoffs. He absolutely torched Denver in the AFC championship.....IN THEIR HOUSE.

This. He stunk in that Super Bowl but they never make it there without his play in the regular season and his brilliant postseason up to that point. And then there are little things like making the tackle after Bettis fumbled.

Idk, Manning put up better numbers last night in a loss than Big Ben did in that SB win, yet Big Ben is getting credit for having won two super bowls. That is the basis of a lot of Steelers fans trying to seriously make a case that Big Ben is a better quarterback than Manning. Steelers fans are making fun of Manning for choking last night when Ben came in to the super bowl and put up some of the worst numbers for a quarterback in the history of the game, yet his team bailed him out that game so he is a better qb.

Again....who said Ben was better than Peyton? Did I miss something?

Better numbers mean nothing in a LOSS. He made a crucial mistake when the game was on the line. Nothing more, nothing less. Does that make him worse than Roethlisberger? Hell no.

Just because one moronic Steeler fan says Ben is better than Peyton doesn't mean the entire fanbase feels this way. Don't be so naive.

rock_knutne wrote:

DeyDurkie5 wrote:I'm sure I am in the minority, just as you were when picking the saints for the playoff pick em contest. Does that make you retarded? No, because you ended up winning. It's just inconceivable to you because you are so wrapped up in the steelers past success that you can't fathom them not being in the discussion

Another fine comparison on your part.:rolleyes: You want to believe the Steelers aren't a Super Bowl contender, that's fine, but your logic or lack of it, behind your reasons is insane.

ytownfootball wrote: Interesting diatribe but I do have a question for Stiller fans.

Many of you seem to be banking on the fact that Troy P. will return healthy and thus increase your chances of making a run (no mention of how bad the special teams have been or the fact that a lack of solid running game exsisted all season but anyway).

Troy plays with reckless abandon, it's what makes him as effective as he is. It's my contention that his style of play is what is going to prevent him from seeing as much of the field as he did earlier in his career and I think his best days are behind him. He's shown lately to be anything but durable. Were I the Stillers I'd be looking to find a replacement pretty quick.