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I guess Peyton Manning is no Ben Roethlisberger

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Feb 7, 2010 11:30 PM
No you can't get look at it that way. Let's say Ben wins even one more Super Bowl for three and he retires after 10 seasons because of all the hits.

Still a great career and the Steelers and their fans got what they wanted.

It's not pocket passer back. It's quarterback. How they go about it doesn't matter. Doesn't have to be a perceived best way to play the position. Ben uses the skills that make him great, while improving the others.
Feb 7, 2010 11:30pm
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Feb 7, 2010 11:31 PM
Al Capone wrote: Anybody that calls Ben an average qb doesn't know football. He's easily in the top 5 in the league.
Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Schaub, Rivers, Brees
Feb 7, 2010 11:31pm
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Feb 7, 2010 11:34 PM
Walt wrote:
HighRoller74 wrote: So you guys really think Ben Roethlisberger is really a better QB overall than Peyton Manning?

Or are you just basing that off the playoffs?
I'm just joking around. I like Manning and I think he's one of the all time greats, but you have to give Roethlisberger credit for playing well in clutch situations.
For the last SB win I definitely give Rothelisberger credit, but he definitely had a better team surrounding him.
Al Capone wrote:
karen lotz wrote:
Al Capone wrote: I must be a retard
sounds about right
Its all about championship performances. Manning fails.
Manning fails? He has a SB ring. So he is 1-1 now, so what? He's only 33, he still has a few years left in him.
Al Capone wrote: Peyton has as many rings as his little brother. That's all you need to know about Peyton.
Ok, so they both have a ring a piece, what's your point?

Manning and Big Ben are both very good QB's, but let's be honest, Big Ben has played on the overall better teams. Plus, Manning's WR's played horrible tonight. Reggie Wayne dropped a ball that was in his hands and a possible TD at the end of the game. Of course that would have put the Colts at a TD deficit still, but gives them a chance to recover the onside and possibly drive.
Feb 7, 2010 11:34pm
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rock_knutne

Feb 7, 2010 11:35 PM
Non wrote: No you can't get look at it that way. Let's say Ben wins even one more Super Bowl for three and he retires after 10 seasons because of all the hits.

Still a great career and the Steelers and their fans got what they wanted.

It's not pocket passer back. It's quarterback. How they go about it doesn't matter. Doesn't have to be a perceived best way to play the position. Ben uses the skills that make him great, while improving the others.
I agree with you but Ben has improved has skills in the pocket which IMO will only help him prolong his career and that's not a bad thing.
Feb 7, 2010 11:35pm
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Feb 7, 2010 11:35 PM
DeyDurkie5 wrote:
Al Capone wrote: Anybody that calls Ben an average qb doesn't know football. He's easily in the top 5 in the league.
Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Schaub, Rivers, Brees
There isn't a qb on that list that I would take over Ben.
Feb 7, 2010 11:35pm
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Feb 7, 2010 11:36 PM
Al Capone wrote:
DeyDurkie5 wrote:
Al Capone wrote: Anybody that calls Ben an average qb doesn't know football. He's easily in the top 5 in the league.
Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Schaub, Rivers, Brees
There isn't a qb on that list that I would take over Ben.
Well no shit, you love big bens hairy tiny weiner
Feb 7, 2010 11:36pm
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Feb 7, 2010 11:37 PM
Matt Schaub above Big Ben? Really? I'm not a Steelers/Big Ben fan at all and I like Schaub, but there's no chance anyone can put him over Big Ben. I also agree that Ben is a top 5 QB. He just has "it", whatever that is. He's not going to win it every year and he does make some mistakes, but he's been great in the clutch, which puts him over the top when comparing him to most QBs.
Feb 7, 2010 11:37pm
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Feb 7, 2010 11:37 PM
Pick6 wrote:I agree thats his biggest flaw. Which is why I call him average because he hardly ever makes the smart play.
Yeah, average QB's make a lot of big plays which aren't smart. Come on.:blush:
Feb 7, 2010 11:37pm
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Feb 7, 2010 11:39 PM
DeyDurkie5 wrote:
Al Capone wrote: Anybody that calls Ben an average qb doesn't know football. He's easily in the top 5 in the league.
Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Schaub, Rivers, Brees
DeyDurkie5 wrote:
Al Capone wrote:
DeyDurkie5 wrote:
Al Capone wrote: Anybody that calls Ben an average qb doesn't know football. He's easily in the top 5 in the league.
Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Schaub, Rivers, Brees
There isn't a qb on that list that I would take over Ben.
Well no shit, you love big bens hairy tiny weiner
Pay no attention to this fool, he's as dense as they come!
Feb 7, 2010 11:39pm
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Feb 7, 2010 11:39 PM
DeyDurkie5 wrote:
Al Capone wrote:
DeyDurkie5 wrote:
Al Capone wrote: Anybody that calls Ben an average qb doesn't know football. He's easily in the top 5 in the league.
Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Schaub, Rivers, Brees
There isn't a qb on that list that I would take over Ben.
Well no shit, you love big bens hairy tiny weiner
So much for a sane conversation
Feb 7, 2010 11:39pm
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Feb 7, 2010 11:40 PM
Al Capone wrote:
DeyDurkie5 wrote:
Al Capone wrote:
DeyDurkie5 wrote:
Al Capone wrote: Anybody that calls Ben an average qb doesn't know football. He's easily in the top 5 in the league.
Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Schaub, Rivers, Brees
There isn't a qb on that list that I would take over Ben.
Well no shit, you love big bens hairy tiny weiner
So much for a sane conversation
Dude, it's impossible to have a sane conversation with you because if it isn't a steeler you don't think it's right.
Feb 7, 2010 11:40pm
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Feb 7, 2010 11:41 PM
It's tough to rank the QBs right now.

Like 10 guys that could easily be top five.

I'd say in the AFC there are five legit Pro Bowl caliber QBs fighting for three spots.

Manning
Brady
Roethlisberger
Schaub
Rivers

Those are the five best and all good, legit franchise QBs. I'd put Manning No. 1 but he is a little on the old side at 33 (34 in March). Ben turns 28 in March and is clearly in his prime, playing at the highest level of his career. Schaub and Rivers are the same way.
Feb 7, 2010 11:41pm
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Feb 7, 2010 11:42 PM
Must be tough being a Browns fan isn't it durkie?
Feb 7, 2010 11:42pm
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Feb 7, 2010 11:43 PM
Al Capone wrote: Must be tough being a Browns fan isn't it durkie?
That has nothing to do with anything in this thread? You are proving my point for me
Feb 7, 2010 11:43pm
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Feb 7, 2010 11:44 PM
Manning won his first Super Bowl at age 30, where as Ben has two rings at 27. Could he win another from 28-31? He's much better now than he was in 2005 and 2008 when the Steelers won.
Feb 7, 2010 11:44pm
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Feb 7, 2010 11:46 PM
Are you upset because there are no Brown qbs being talked about? Maybe if there is a top 40 list one of them would make it.
Feb 7, 2010 11:46pm
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Feb 7, 2010 11:50 PM
Al Capone wrote: Are you upset because there are no Brown qbs being talked about? Maybe if there is a top 40 list one of them would make it.
yes, i'm deeply upset
Feb 7, 2010 11:50pm
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Feb 7, 2010 11:51 PM
DeyDurkie5 wrote:That has nothing to do with anything in this thread? You are proving my point for me
Hypocrit.........you did the same exact thing to me (bringing up teams/topics that have nothing to do with the discussion) but spin it when it suits your cause! Maybe Capone is right, it must REALLY be tough being a Browns fan.
Feb 7, 2010 11:51pm
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Feb 7, 2010 11:53 PM
rock_knutne wrote:
DeyDurkie5 wrote:That has nothing to do with anything in this thread? You are proving my point for me
Hypocrit.........you did the same exact thing to me (bringing up teams/topics that have nothing to do with the discussion) but spin it when it suits your cause! Maybe Capone is right, it must REALLY be tough being a Browns fan.
what in the world are you talking about?
Feb 7, 2010 11:53pm
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Feb 7, 2010 11:55 PM
Let me get this straight...you all are comparing two of probably the best five or six quarterbacks in the league, and trying to decide who is #1 and who is #2 based on one postseason game???

Really???

(yawn).
Feb 7, 2010 11:55pm
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Feb 7, 2010 11:59 PM
I try to remain level-headed. I know that Peyton is better overall but I am very happy with the two 'chips. Ben played liked crap in Super Bowl XL but he was a huge reason why they made it there in the first place. They don't win the 2nd Super Bowl without him.
Feb 7, 2010 11:59pm
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rock_knutne

Feb 8, 2010 12:02 AM
DeyDurkie5 wrote:
rock_knutne wrote:
DeyDurkie5 wrote:That has nothing to do with anything in this thread? You are proving my point for me
Hypocrit.........you did the same exact thing to me (bringing up teams/topics that have nothing to do with the discussion) but spin it when it suits your cause! Maybe Capone is right, it must REALLY be tough being a Browns fan.
what in the world are you talking about?

Don't act innocent:
DeyDurkie5 wrote:Rock, the steelers sucked this year...Notre Dame sucked, like they have the past 15 years. Just let it go dude, both your teams suck and the Penguins are mediocre.
Remember that comment? On a thread that had absolutely nothing to do with ND, the Pens or the Steelers.


You can't have it both ways pal.
Feb 8, 2010 12:02am
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Feb 8, 2010 12:04 AM
Al Capone wrote:
DeyDurkie5 wrote:
Al Capone wrote: Anybody that calls Ben an average qb doesn't know football. He's easily in the top 5 in the league.
Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Schaub, Rivers, Brees
There isn't a qb on that list that I would take over Ben.
LOL your justification for taking Big Ben over Peyton is that Big Ben is a winner, but then say that you would take Big Ben over Tom Brady, who has won more than Ben? Are you a member of Big Ben's family or something?
Feb 8, 2010 12:04am
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Feb 8, 2010 12:05 AM
rock_knutne wrote:
DeyDurkie5 wrote:
rock_knutne wrote:
DeyDurkie5 wrote:That has nothing to do with anything in this thread? You are proving my point for me
Hypocrit.........you did the same exact thing to me (bringing up teams/topics that have nothing to do with the discussion) but spin it when it suits your cause! Maybe Capone is right, it must REALLY be tough being a Browns fan.
what in the world are you talking about?

Don't act innocent:
DeyDurkie5 wrote:Rock, the steelers sucked this year...Notre Dame sucked, like they have the past 15 years. Just let it go dude, both your teams suck and the Penguins are mediocre.
Remember that comment? On a thread that had absolutely nothing to do with ND, the Pens or the Steelers.


You can't have it both ways pal.
lol what thread was that?
Feb 8, 2010 12:05am
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rock_knutne

Feb 8, 2010 12:06 AM
^^^^^Where you intoxicated at the time? Must have been as you admitted to me earlier today that you were hung over.
Feb 8, 2010 12:06am