Had a friend whose child was most likely killed by the babysitters husband. The babysitter had left to pick up her own child from school and when she came back the babysitter was for all purposes gone. The boyfriend said the baby fell down the steps but doctors believe it was shaken baby syndrome. 

When the doctors told my friend he was lucky he had family who could hold him back because he was going to kill the guy. His family was able to hold him back and calm him down but he was definitely seeing read and not thinking clearly at the time.

Courts never could prove it was the boyfriend so he never did get justice. 

I can see why there is temporary insanity. 

sportchampps wrote:

Had a friend whose child was most likely killed by the babysitters husband. The babysitter had left to pick up her own child from school and when she came back the babysitter was for all purposes gone. The boyfriend said the baby fell down the steps but doctors believe it was shaken baby syndrome. 

When the doctors told my friend he was lucky he had family who could hold him back because he was going to kill the guy. His family was able to hold him back and calm him down but he was definitely seeing read and not thinking clearly at the time.

Courts never could prove it was the boyfriend so he never did get justice. 

I can see why there is temporary insanity. 

My contention is that isn’t murder, but that’s an opinion not fact of law. In my heart you kill my kid you are dead and I didn’t murder you. 

This case is a great example of everything wrong with the media these days.  The right wing media is calling this guy a hero, while the leftwing treats him like a MAGA incel (until it came out he was black, and that melted some brains).

Facts are facts.  I didn't follow it, but either this juror was wrong or the other 11 was a case of jury nullification.  Or it's also entirely possible a reasonable jury will never be unanimous in this case.

So, the holdout juror is going through it, now. An NBC affiliate did an investigation into his past, found out that he once had charges pressed against which were later dropped and his nephew has a protective order against him. He's been doxxed, receives death threats, his family is being threatened and so on. 

I don't really understand what drives people to do this. Mistrials happen all the time, that shouldn't result in this sort of behavior. 

I think there should be some guardrails put up to ensure that they can remain private citizens without becoming targets. And that should include jurors not monetizing from being pseudo-celebrities making the talkshow rounds.

There is no way this case can receive a fair trial now. 

Lindsay Clancy's defense lawyer is now targeting the standout juror, doing things like declaring he wants the juror's phone records. 

I would like to know how this can happen. Isn't our court system supposed to protect jurors from intimidation? What is this judge doing, letting this go on and continue? 

CenterBHSFan wrote:

Lindsay Clancy's defense lawyer is now targeting the standout juror, doing things like declaring he wants the juror's phone records. 

I would like to know how this can happen. Isn't our court system supposed to protect jurors from intimidation? What is this judge doing, letting this go on and continue? 

Based on what other jurors have said, an inquiry is probably warranted.  If he lied on his questionnaire, he SHOULD face consequences.

Not sure what is true, but I heard even if he ignored judge's instructions or potentially lied on his questionnaire that it's still a mistrial (same as hung jury).  On the one hand, it could have a chilling effect on potential jurors.  On the other, it's important to actually abide by your civic duty.

But  it seems overreach to subpoena his phone records without also subpoenaing the other jurors and applying the same consequences.  And what would we say about a prosecutor going after a lone holdout on a guilty verdict (although that's hardly apples-to-apples)?