Controversial opinions

posted by like_that

Yeah making them illegal sure has done a great job of preventing that...

Also, do you have any data to support this?  You're making it seem like the mass majority of crimes that harm/kill people were a result of somebody being "high" on something. 

 

I think that usage of drugs is less than it would be than if they were legal.   

I wholeheartedly believe that. 

I believe a vast majority of people are good, law abiding citizens and don't partake in many things simply because they are against the law.   

If you don't believe that being under the influence of drugs doesn't inhibit impuls3 control and leads to people doing stupid shit then I don't know what to tell you.

My controversial opinion........military people get too many discounts and perks

posted by salto

They may be "racist" by your belief but they are not hate groups, unlike many white "racist" groups.

 

Never said that they were hate groups....just racist.

Please don't kid yourself....there are plenty of hate groups on both sides of the argument.

KKK - Black Panthers and the list goes on and on......

Reruns of Brady Bunch >>> Winter Olympics

AC/DC should have stopped in 1995

Rolling Stones should have stopped in 1985

The Jerky Boys are kind of stupid except for the very first time you hear them.  That first listen is possibly the hardest laughing I've ever done.

posted by thavoice

I think that usage of drugs is less than it would be than if they were legal.   

I wholeheartedly believe that. 

I believe a vast majority of people are good, law abiding citizens and don't partake in many things simply because they are against the law.   

If you don't believe that being under the influence of drugs doesn't inhibit impuls3 control and leads to people doing stupid shit then I don't know what to tell you.

 

My controversial opinion........military people get too many discounts and perks

Then why don't we ban alcohol again?

posted by like_that

Then why don't we ban alcohol again?

I agree with this. Prohibition works!

posted by thavoice

I think that usage of drugs is less than it would be than if they were legal.   

I wholeheartedly believe that. 

I believe a vast majority of people are good, law abiding citizens and don't partake in many things simply because they are against the law.   

But, in your opinion, if heroin were legalized, these good, law-abiding citizens are going to rush to the store to try it?

One of my most controversial opinions, now that we're delving into the political...

ALL drugs should be legal. Yes, that includes heroin.

posted by justincredible

One of my most controversial opinions, now that we're delving into the political...

ALL drugs should be legal. Yes, that includes heroin.

I agree.  This could be a hot take, but I think the majority of millenials agree with this.   

I know it sounds counterproductive, but legalizing it, or at least decriminalizing it, would go a long way towards ending the opioid crisis. Easier access to cannabis would also help.

posted by justincredible

I know it sounds counterproductive, but legalizing it, or at least decriminalizing it, would go a long way towards ending the opioid crisis. Easier access to cannabis would also help.

It would also reduce the issue of people being concerned about prison costs, which would make your death penalty argument  work better. 

posted by justincredible

But, in your opinion, if heroin were legalized, these good, law-abiding citizens are going to rush to the store to try it?

No. I believe many would abstain as it's engrained to not do so.

But I do believe down the road it would set up more people to do as whom didn't grow upwith it being illegal.

About prohibition......doesn't work as when you take away somethinf thatwas legal it would be a disaster.

With that said though.....likely less societal problems if alcohol had never been invented.   Alcoholics like sportslady would be a disaster but overall society woild be better without drugs..and alcohol.

For those that might disagree, here is a little thought experiment. Which scenario is preferable?

Scenario 1:

Heroin is illegal, with a major stigma attached to its use/abuse. Bob Addict is hooked due to prescription opioids he was prescribed after surgery. Due to the legality of it, Bob is afraid to seek help as he fears he'll go to prison. With the rising cost of opioids he's moved on to heroin, bought from a shady dealer (that doesn't card, by the way) and laced with who knows what. First responders may or may not be exposed to incredibly dangerous substances like fentanyl when responding to overdoses.

Scenario 2:

Heroin is legal. While the stigma might still be there, it's greatly reduced, and those addicted aren't afraid of going to prison while attempting to seek help. Clinics are available to administer pure, medical grade heroin with a plan to wean the user off of it. The need for shady dealers is greatly reduced. The danger of a substance like fentanyl is greatly reduced. First responders see reduced risks.

posted by justincredible

Scenario 2:

Heroin is legal. While the stigma might still be there, it's greatly reduced, and those addicted aren't afraid of going to prison while attempting to seek help. Clinics are available to administer pure, medical grade heroin with a plan to wean the user off of it. The need for shady dealers is greatly reduced. The danger of a substance like fentanyl is greatly reduced. First responders see reduced risks.

Uhhh... If heroin is legal, why wouldn't opiates in general be legal? I'm not aguing that I dont agree with you. just sayin...

posted by justincredible

For those that might disagree, here is a little thought experiment. Which scenario is preferable?

Scenario 1:

Heroin is illegal, with a major stigma attached to its use/abuse. Bob Addict is hooked due to prescription opioids he was prescribed after surgery. Due to the legality of it, Bob is afraid to seek help as he fears he'll go to prison. With the rising cost of opioids he's moved on to heroin, bought from a shady dealer (that doesn't card, by the way) and laced with who knows what. First responders may or may not be exposed to incredibly dangerous substances like fentanyl when responding to overdoses.

Scenario 2:

Heroin is legal. While the stigma might still be there, it's greatly reduced, and those addicted aren't afraid of going to prison while attempting to seek help. Clinics are available to administer pure, medical grade heroin with a plan to wean the user off of it. The need for shady dealers is greatly reduced. The danger of a substance like fentanyl is greatly reduced. First responders see reduced risks.

I'm on board with the latter part of your second option for treatments but if it's legal why woild they be going to prison?  Cornfused a bit.

posted by salto

They may be "racist" by your belief but they are not hate groups, unlike many white "racist" groups.

 

It's not about belief. Any time that you segregate you or other people by color/ethnicity, it's a racist maneuver. 

posted by justincredible

Scenario 2:

Heroin is legal. While the stigma might still be there, it's greatly reduced, and those addicted aren't afraid of going to prison while attempting to seek help. Clinics are available to administer pure, medical grade heroin with a plan to wean the user off of it. The need for shady dealers is greatly reduced. The danger of a substance like fentanyl is greatly reduced. First responders see reduced risks.

We already have methadone clinics. And the users don't go to prison, just because they're addicted.

posted by thavoice

I'm on board with the latter part of your second option for treatments but if it's legal why woild they be going to prison?  Cornfused a bit.

It's legal, so there are no fears of prison time. Is my wording wrong?

posted by CenterBHSFan

We already have methadone clinics. And the users don't go to prison, just because they're addicted.

I guess I knew these existed, but didn't connect them together. Perhaps my scenarios need work, but |'m still of the opinion that legalizing it:

1. Will not increase use.
2. Will reduce the stigma associated with it, making it more likely those addicted will seek help.
3. Will make the jobs of first responders a little bit safer.
4. Will decrease the potential profit for dealers, making it a less desirable line of work.

posted by Devils Advocate

Uhhh... If heroin is legal, why wouldn't opiates in general be legal? I'm not aguing that I dont agree with you. just sayin...

I'm not sure the legality of opiates in general changes anything I've said. They are legal (with prescription) now, right? That wouldn't change.

posted by justincredible

It's legal, so there are no fears of prison time. Is my wording wrong?

 

No.  I'm just retarded.

In a perfect world maybe but those hooked generally don't have the most coherent mind. They can get help now for their addictions but the problem is most dont.