SQ_Crazies wrote: If you think drafting a QB in round 1 is their best option, you're the stereotypical dumbass Browns fan.

I never said it was the best option, but if their plan is to bring a young qb in whether that is through the draft or free agency to learn from delhomme then I don't see any real issue with it.

What do you think we should do mr genius?

This is a hilariously bad move.

7mil, holy shit!

They spend $7M on a over the hill non producing stop gap QB, but they wouldn't offer Thomas Jones a $3M contract after him coming off a career year? Make much sense? Not to me.

Signing a 32 year old running back is like signing a 50 year old qb. I don't care what his numbers were last year, history shows he is about ready to fall off a cliff production wise, and any carry he gets is another carry someone more viable long term isn't getting. Jones has at most one productive year left, and even that may be a stretch.

Delhomme is old, but 35 for a qb is not even close to as ancient as 32 for a running back.

miller45452003 wrote: I twittered Mort about Delhomme starting and his response back to me was.."there not paying him 7M to not start".....Yeah...GREAT!!! SUPERBOWL!!!

LMAO!

I think he improves the QB position but the Browns overpaid to get him. I can't imagine we had to outbid other teams that high. But Delhomme certainly is an improvement over Quinn/Andersen...

Wow, 7 million for that guy? 2 years on top of that? I wonder how this contract was structured.

I hate this move.. Out of the QB's on the roster, I'd rather see Seneca Wallace.. At least he has SHOWN potential in his young career. He's also got a rocket for an arm.

Quinn, looks like he'll be traded. Don't expect anything but a 5th rounder at the VERY BEST.

I trust Holmgren, he's proven, but I have to see this move workout before I like it...

Considering what the Browns have paid for the signings they've made, I really don't see it as an issue. He was turrible last season, obviously, so was BQ, so was Anderception. Thirty five isn't old for a QB either, look at the former grocery bagger and that guy who used to like pain killers and can't make up his mind whether he's playing from one minute to the next---

Too soon to throw Heckert/Mangini/Holmgren under the bus for signing this guy to a two year deal, everyone wants a winner but we ain't going to the superbowl next season, this deal doesn't drop/raise our line in Vegas much from what it already was. Relax...geesh

DeyDurkie5 wrote:

SQ_Crazies wrote: If you think drafting a QB in round 1 is their best option, you're the stereotypical dumbass Browns fan.

I never said it was the best option, but if their plan is to bring a young qb in whether that is through the draft or free agency to learn from delhomme then I don't see any real issue with it.

What do you think we should do mr genius?

Alright. Here is what I think the Browns should be doing this offseason:

1. Release DA or BQ. Have to get rid of one of them, IMO Anderson was the better QB but they dicked him around too much for it to ever work. So my opinion was to do what they did and get rid of Anderson--had to commit. They did that.
2. Sign another QB. I like the Wallace signing. A lot actually, I think it was a great move on their part. Would have rather them got T.Smith but that might not have been able to happen. Good to make the move on Wallace when they had the shot.
3. Pay Cribbs. So what if he's just a special teamer and not much of a reciever--he's worth the money just based on the fact that he's a winner. His attitude makes him worth the money. He'll work his ass off to become a better reciever and hopefully his work pays off for him. He's a great example to the rest of the team because he always does his job. Great leader. They did that, but IMO they waited FAR too long. He's committed to your franchise and he's everything I just said--you need guys like that.

Here is where we start to differ:
3. Find a RB and maybe a WR and make a good size signing in the FA market. Harrison might have some future, but I like the idea of picking up one of the quality backs out there for a better 1-2 punch. DO NOT waste that money on a QB. Just move ahead with Quinn for right now. Or Wallace if he wins the job--whatever, just stick with one of the guys you've got. DO NOT shop Quinn because he's got SOME talent and he's more valuable to you right now than a 5th round pick.
4. Draft defense. McClain from Bama 1st round, no doubt about it. If he isn't there there is somebody worth of 7th on defense to pick there. They can get better everywhere on D. You draft defense the entire 1st day unless you get the chance at a total obvious 2nd round steal (say MAYBE CJ Spiller falls, or something like that). Maybe try to find a QB to fill the roster later in the draft. Absolutely DO NOT take a QB in the 1st round. This draft is defense stacked on the top and they need a good defense before they can ever start winning.

From there you move ahead with what you've got. For the next few years keep building the defense with the draft and good FA picks here and there. Once you build up a GOOD defense with the draft and a decent offense with FA, then you look for the QB. Basically, my opinion is until they build a defense through the draft they might as well keep switching QB's and coaches because they'll always suck. And IMO the current coaching staff is great. I love that they paid Holmgren too, even though I don't love what he's done so far. But let these guys get some talent and they can be dangerous. Ryan showed you what he can do with a defense last year--now imagine if he had some good players. Maybe that offense would look good too if their QB (no matter who it is) had some good talent around them and talent that STAYED around them. Hard to blame the QB's for shit seasons after their best offensive players are taken away.

Learn some lessons from the other teams in your division. You've seen them sign franchise QB's and you don't realize that before they did that they built up a team for that guy to play with. They didn't just sign that QB and all of a sudden become good. They took their lumps while they built and THEN found the QB. Can't say it too many other ways than I have. This is NFL Football, and the Browns are doing it wrong.

But even in the Steelers and Ravens case--they were still able to win games before they found their guy at QB because they built defenses good enough to win them games.

Is this $7M salary or $7M if he reaches all incentives? I thought I saw $900K as a base salary somewhere.

Sonofanump wrote: Is this $7M salary or $7M if he reaches all incentives? I thought I saw $900K as a base salary somewhere.

Now this makes more sense and wouldn't have me hating the move as much.

LTrain23 wrote:

Sonofanump wrote: Is this $7M salary or $7M if he reaches all incentives? I thought I saw $900K as a base salary somewhere.

Now this makes more sense and wouldn't have me hating the move as much.

Here's the link I put on the Browns offseason thread...it's not that bad

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4992744

900K base this year + a gangload from Carolina, the boy is getting paid this season. I don't know what year two holds.

S_Q The only reason I can figure you have mutiple posts in a row.............You must like hearing yourself talk? Dude, if you dont get a reply to one of ur posts, let it go!! You are replying to your own comments now?

ytownfootball wrote:

LTrain23 wrote:

Sonofanump wrote: Is this $7M salary or $7M if he reaches all incentives? I thought I saw $900K as a base salary somewhere.

Now this makes more sense and wouldn't have me hating the move as much.

Here's the link I put on the Browns offseason thread...it's not that bad

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4992744

"Delhomme is scheduled to make $7 million this season, including just under $900,000 in base salary."

What the hell does that mean? Incentives or signing bonus for the other $6.1M?

september63 wrote: S_Q The only reason I can figure you have mutiple posts in a row.............You must like hearing yourself talk? Dude, if you dont get a reply to one of ur posts, let it go!! You are replying to your own comments now?

LOL, I was adding another point...relax, bro.

SQ: I'm not sure I want anything to do with McClain now that it's been revealed that he has Crohn's Disease. That is a debilitating illness that can zap even the best of folks, regardless of how healthy they might be, otherwise.

Now, if he falls to the second round, I might consider it. But not at 7. If Berry isn't there, then the only person I want to see them look at is Haden (I don't give a damn what is 40 time was; he's a damn good football player). No quarterback in this draft is worth 7, in my view. In fact, nobody on OFFENSE is worth that pick.

Writerbuckeye wrote: SQ: I'm not sure I want anything to do with McClain now that it's been revealed that he has Crohn's Disease. That is a debilitating illness that can zap even the best of folks, regardless of how healthy they might be, otherwise.

Now, if he falls to the second round, I might consider it. But not at 7. If Berry isn't there, then the only person I want to see them look at is Haden (I don't give a damn what is 40 time was; he's a damn good football player). No quarterback in this draft is worth 7, in my view. In fact, nobody on OFFENSE is worth that pick.

I agree, worst case scenario is trade out of the spot for the best player you can get, or the best package of other draft picks you can get.

I'd still draft McClain.

I agree.

Before I found out about McClain, I would have liked him at 7 if we couldn't have got Berry..

But I'm HOPING that Berry falls to us.. Then I'm hoping we take him.

I also agree about Haden.. People truly overrate the 40 time.. Sure, it's nice to run fast.. But I only care what you do in pads. Haden wasn't widely considered one the top secondary men in the country for no reason..

Berry has been their best option all along IMO, but I've pretty much assumed a long time ago that he isn't going to fall that far. I suppose it wouldn't be that crazy if he did, but I don't think he will.

Agreed about Haden too, I wouldn't let the 40 time sway me, but I'm not sure he was 7th pick good anyways.

september63 wrote: S_Q The only reason I can figure you have mutiple posts in a row.............You must like hearing yourself talk? Dude, if you dont get a reply to one of ur posts, let it go!! You are replying to your own comments now?

The only reason I can think of that would have you calling out another poster and not saying anything regarding the topic, is that you in fact like "hearing yourself talk" as well..

SQ_Crazies wrote:

DeyDurkie5 wrote:

SQ_Crazies wrote: If you think drafting a QB in round 1 is their best option, you're the stereotypical dumbass Browns fan.

I never said it was the best option, but if their plan is to bring a young qb in whether that is through the draft or free agency to learn from delhomme then I don't see any real issue with it.

What do you think we should do mr genius?

Alright. Here is what I think the Browns should be doing this offseason:

1. Release DA or BQ. Have to get rid of one of them, IMO Anderson was the better QB but they dicked him around too much for it to ever work. So my opinion was to do what they did and get rid of Anderson--had to commit. They did that.
2. Sign another QB. I like the Wallace signing. A lot actually, I think it was a great move on their part. Would have rather them got T.Smith but that might not have been able to happen. Good to make the move on Wallace when they had the shot.
3. Pay Cribbs. So what if he's just a special teamer and not much of a reciever--he's worth the money just based on the fact that he's a winner. His attitude makes him worth the money. He'll work his ass off to become a better reciever and hopefully his work pays off for him. He's a great example to the rest of the team because he always does his job. Great leader. They did that, but IMO they waited FAR too long. He's committed to your franchise and he's everything I just said--you need guys like that.

Here is where we start to differ:
3. Find a RB and maybe a WR and make a good size signing in the FA market. Harrison might have some future, but I like the idea of picking up one of the quality backs out there for a better 1-2 punch. DO NOT waste that money on a QB. Just move ahead with Quinn for right now. Or Wallace if he wins the job--whatever, just stick with one of the guys you've got. DO NOT shop Quinn because he's got SOME talent and he's more valuable to you right now than a 5th round pick.
4. Draft defense. McClain from Bama 1st round, no doubt about it. If he isn't there there is somebody worth of 7th on defense to pick there. They can get better everywhere on D. You draft defense the entire 1st day unless you get the chance at a total obvious 2nd round steal (say MAYBE CJ Spiller falls, or something like that). Maybe try to find a QB to fill the roster later in the draft. Absolutely DO NOT take a QB in the 1st round. This draft is defense stacked on the top and they need a good defense before they can ever start winning.

From there you move ahead with what you've got. For the next few years keep building the defense with the draft and good FA picks here and there. Once you build up a GOOD defense with the draft and a decent offense with FA, then you look for the QB. Basically, my opinion is until they build a defense through the draft they might as well keep switching QB's and coaches because they'll always suck. And IMO the current coaching staff is great. I love that they paid Holmgren too, even though I don't love what he's done so far. But let these guys get some talent and they can be dangerous. Ryan showed you what he can do with a defense last year--now imagine if he had some good players. Maybe that offense would look good too if their QB (no matter who it is) had some good talent around them and talent that STAYED around them. Hard to blame the QB's for shit seasons after their best offensive players are taken away.

Learn some lessons from the other teams in your division. You've seen them sign franchise QB's and you don't realize that before they did that they built up a team for that guy to play with. They didn't just sign that QB and all of a sudden become good. They took their lumps while they built and THEN found the QB. Can't say it too many other ways than I have. This is NFL Football, and the Browns are doing it wrong.

I virtually everything you have said, I agree with. My only thing is why hate on the movie if they are paying him minimal to come in and create a competition for Seneca and Quinn. If these qb's can't handle a competition, then they shouldn't be in the nfl because they have vaginas. And if they beat him out, and do extremely well, then we have a very solid and promising qb for our future with Delhomme taking a leadership role in helping to develop them.
As far as the draft, I am sick of hearing about drafting defense. Our defense is horrid because our offense is on the field for a minute before either turning the ball over, or being forced to punt. We upgraded our tight end spot with a solid pick up in my opinion. Our draft should primarily be offensive. We need playmakers that can be explosive to our offense like Cribbs is to our special teams. Look at the teams that have turned themselves around in a hurry. They all have one thing in common and that is they went into the draft and got an offensive force. AP, Reggie Bush, Percy Harvin. What else do these guys have in common? A very solid starting quarterback which will take time for us because right now there really isn't someone out there that can come and dominate like those other teams have.
Other than those points, I pretty much agree with your statement and I'm sure I'm leaving some other points I have off but I can't think of them at the moment.

If you're sick of hearing draft defense, then you don't agree with basically anything I said.

And maybe you should be sick of hearing it, because they should have started doing it a long time ago--then maybe Brady Quinn could have been the savior of the franchise.

SQ_Crazies wrote: If you're sick of hearing draft defense, then you don't agree with basically anything I said.

um yeah i did, i agreed with all your points, except your number 4 point which was draft defense.