I believe that many of the people who claim to advocate splitting public vs. private don't actually want it to happen. Should they beat the private school, they can stick out their chests and tell everyone how great they are. Should they lose, they still have their ready-made excuse. A no-lose sitution. Just not honest.

5knots wrote: You want public schools to prosper...you want towns to support tax levys.....you want community pride to be a common thread....GET RID of PRIVATE schools form our tournaments. Period.

Nice thing to teach your kids, "that challenge is too big, lets dodge it"

New York has separate championships for Public and Private. Overall the Private Schools are much better than the Public, but they all stink.

You're just trying to bring people down to your level, rather than trying to rise to theirs

Nice

Easy to pick out talking points and make up something like I am teaching my kids to dodge. Far from it.....MY KIDS.. and our town have done quite well against the privates...we have killed our share of giants, in fact we just took one down last night!!!!!! .I am looking at the big picture and trying to make a decision...not what is good for me or mine. There a soooo many little communities that get that once in a generation group of kids and they can get so far and then they are pounced on by a school with resources (meaning $ and players) that tilt the tables too far. You can call that attitude whining if you want, but it is true and you know it.

Rocket08 wrote:

5knots wrote: You want public schools to prosper...you want towns to support tax levys.....you want community pride to be a common thread....GET RID of PRIVATE schools form our tournaments. Period.

Nice thing to teach your kids, "that challenge is too big, lets dodge it"

New York has separate championships for Public and Private. Overall the Private Schools are much better than the Public, but they all stink.

You're just trying to bring people down to your level, rather than trying to rise to theirs

Nice

Sorry, but open enrollment does not = open recruiting.

So Rocket08 you then should be against slitting schools into divisions...yes or no? I mean since you don't want to dodge any one we should not have multiple divisions...correct?

skank wrote:

Rocket08 wrote:

5knots wrote: You want public schools to prosper...you want towns to support tax levys.....you want community pride to be a common thread....GET RID of PRIVATE schools form our tournaments. Period.

Nice thing to teach your kids, "that challenge is too big, lets dodge it"

New York has separate championships for Public and Private. Overall the Private Schools are much better than the Public, but they all stink.

You're just trying to bring people down to your level, rather than trying to rise to theirs

Nice

Sorry, but open enrollment does not = open recruiting.

That's funny

You're from Massillon

Thanks for the laugh

5knots wrote: Easy to pick out talking points and make up something like I am teaching my kids to dodge. Far from it.....MY KIDS.. and our town have done quite well against the privates...we have killed our share of giants, in fact we just took one down last night!!!!!! .I am looking at the big picture and trying to make a decision...not what is good for me or mine. There a soooo many little communities that get that once in a generation group of kids and they can get so far and then they are pounced on by a school with resources (meaning $ and players) that tilt the tables too far. You can call that attitude whining if you want, but it is true and you know it.

I do want to call it whining.

It might be true to you, but that's simply your opinion, your entitled to it, as I am to mine

If you indeed have "knocked down some giants" as you claim, why would you want to rob your kids, or or another parents kids, of the opportunity to do the same thing?

Trust me its not about the kids.

rmolin73 wrote: Trust me its not about the kids.

Agreed..the kids could care less..most will want to play the best anyways.

Rocket08 wrote:

skank wrote:

Rocket08 wrote:

5knots wrote: You want public schools to prosper...you want towns to support tax levys.....you want community pride to be a common thread....GET RID of PRIVATE schools form our tournaments. Period.

Nice thing to teach your kids, "that challenge is too big, lets dodge it"

New York has separate championships for Public and Private. Overall the Private Schools are much better than the Public, but they all stink.

You're just trying to bring people down to your level, rather than trying to rise to theirs

Nice

Sorry, but open enrollment does not = open recruiting.

That's funny

You're from Massillon

Thanks for the laugh

How many times do I have to explain this to you? Johnny Doe is 6'4" 240 lbs, runs a 4.3 40, and bench presses 400 lbs, a public, open enrollment school can accept him....IF....HE.... seeks out that public school. The Ignatius', Mooneys' Ursulines, Elders, Moellers, St. Xs' on the other hand can basically camp out on Johnny's front lawn to get him to attend their school.

Wow so now private schools hold camps on peoples lawns?

What do OHSAA regs say about transferring from public to private schools vs private to public schools?

I don't think you'll get much support from Steubenville for changing the current setup. Over the past five years, we have gone 26-3 against privates, including beating Alter and DeSales in the state finals in 2005 and 2006 and beating Mooney in the playoffs in 2008. If you want to be the best, you have to beat the best.

FairwoodKing wrote: I don't think you'll get much support from Steubenville for changing the current setup. Over the past five years, we have gone 26-3 against privates, including beating Alter and DeSales in the state finals in 2005 and 2006 and beating Mooney in the playoffs in 2008. [size=xx-large] If you want to be the best, you have to beat the best.[/size]

What makes parochials, "the best"?

What gives most private schools a huge advantage is the thousands of dollars parents have to cough up in addition to property taxes. Please stop whining and play better.

^^^btw- that first sentence was sarcasm. Most private schools are at a disadvantage. Most of the public school whining is about a few schools who have been blessed by a multigenerational dedication to sports. Instead of condemning them for being successful, build a better foundation. Establishing a separate playoffs for privates is the equivalent of admitting failure. There is no such thing as a "fair" system. Look at the NFL. They bend over backwards to create fairness. Still there are teams that you know year after year are going to struggle and still teams that have never played in a Super Bowl.

skank wrote:

FairwoodKing wrote: I don't think you'll get much support from Steubenville for changing the current setup. Over the past five years, we have gone 26-3 against privates, including beating Alter and DeSales in the state finals in 2005 and 2006 and beating Mooney in the playoffs in 2008. [size=xx-large] If you want to be the best, you have to beat the best.[/size]

What makes parochials, "the best"?

A handful of parochials have such a good tradition that they attract good players. Steubenville is a public school yet we have that same tradition. That doesn't mean we recruit, it only means that the good local players want to be on our team. If I were a 14-year-old football player living in Youngstown and I thought I had a chance of getting a college scholarship, I would want to attend Mooney or Ursuline instead of one of the local public schools because the two parochials get a lot of exposure. If I were that same football player in Jefferson County, I would want to play for Big Red for the same reason.

Squirmydog wrote: ^^^btw- that first sentence was sarcasm.[size=xx-large] Most private schools are at a disadvantage. [/size]Most of the public school whining is about a few schools who have been blessed by a multigenerational dedication to sports. Instead of condemning them for being successful, build a better foundation. Establishing a separate playoffs for privates is the equivalent of admitting failure. There is no such thing as a "fair" system. Look at the NFL. They bend over backwards to create fairness. Still there are teams that you know year after year are going to struggle and still teams that have never played in a Super Bowl.

Oh really? I didn't know. Maybe the OHSAA can do something to level the playing field for you guys, like maybe letting you assemble 7 county all-star teams.

Maybe Dr. Phil can do something about your inferiority complex.

Oh I see, your if I don't agree with you, I have an inferiority complex. Can Dr. Phil allow publics to recruit 7 counties? If so, yeah, make me an appointment.

You are throwing the baby out wtih the bath water my friend. You direct your anger at a few schools. What exactly is the problem as you see it and how do you propose it be solved with a perfectly fair system? Remember, for every Mooney and Ursuline there are far more Marion Catholics and Cincinnati Christians, who struggle to keep sports, let alone their enrollment up enough to keep the doors open. Still, if I have the ability and desire to send my kid to Newark Catholic, which is 40 miles away, than that is my business. If I want to send my kid to a successful college prep public school like John Hay and can get him in, then that is my business. If I am not in those situations and I value football or basketball or whatever, then I need to take the lead and fo what I can make my current school's situation better, not cry foul because another school wins bigger trophies.
I see where you are coming from. I really do. I am a tough sell on this argument though. I applaud Mooney and Ursuline and St John and St Paul, and Marion Local and Davidson and all those schools who have achieved excellence. I would like for GCC to be there someday. Its not easy.

skank wrote:

Squirmydog wrote: ^^^btw- that first sentence was sarcasm.[size=xx-large] Most private schools are at a disadvantage. [/size]Most of the public school whining is about a few schools who have been blessed by a multigenerational dedication to sports. Instead of condemning them for being successful, build a better foundation. Establishing a separate playoffs for privates is the equivalent of admitting failure. There is no such thing as a "fair" system. Look at the NFL. They bend over backwards to create fairness. Still there are teams that you know year after year are going to struggle and still teams that have never played in a Super Bowl.

Oh really? I didn't know. Maybe the OHSAA can do something to level the playing field for you guys, like maybe letting you assemble 7 county all-star teams.

Just so we are clear what is and what isn't an advantage, if a school had one of the best QB's in the country come and visit from a state 3000 miles away, would that be ok?

Look, I know the macho thing to do, is to say "to be the best you have to beat the best" and things like that, but you don't take a knife to a gun fight....Well, not if you have a choice.

Al Bundy wrote:

skank wrote:

Squirmydog wrote: ^^^btw- that first sentence was sarcasm.[size=xx-large] Most private schools are at a disadvantage. [/size]Most of the public school whining is about a few schools who have been blessed by a multigenerational dedication to sports. Instead of condemning them for being successful, build a better foundation. Establishing a separate playoffs for privates is the equivalent of admitting failure. There is no such thing as a "fair" system. Look at the NFL. They bend over backwards to create fairness. Still there are teams that you know year after year are going to struggle and still teams that have never played in a Super Bowl.

Oh really? I didn't know. Maybe the OHSAA can do something to level the playing field for you guys, like maybe letting you assemble 7 county all-star teams.

Just so we are clear what is and what isn't an advantage, if a school had one of the best QB's in the country come and visit from a state 3000 miles away, would that be ok?

If your talking about the kid from Oregon, first of all, the dad was transferred here, secondly, they, as far as I know, the family hasn't made a decision yet as to which school the young man will attend, and thirdly, if you want to refer to a sophomore to be, who saw VERY little time on the field last year as a freshman as "one of the best QB's in the country", then I don't know what to tell you.

skank wrote:

Al Bundy wrote:

skank wrote:

Squirmydog wrote: ^^^btw- that first sentence was sarcasm.[size=xx-large] Most private schools are at a disadvantage. [/size]Most of the public school whining is about a few schools who have been blessed by a multigenerational dedication to sports. Instead of condemning them for being successful, build a better foundation. Establishing a separate playoffs for privates is the equivalent of admitting failure. There is no such thing as a "fair" system. Look at the NFL. They bend over backwards to create fairness. Still there are teams that you know year after year are going to struggle and still teams that have never played in a Super Bowl.

Oh really? I didn't know. Maybe the OHSAA can do something to level the playing field for you guys, like maybe letting you assemble 7 county all-star teams.

Just so we are clear what is and what isn't an advantage, if a school had one of the best QB's in the country come and visit from a state 3000 miles away, would that be ok?

If your talking about the kid from Oregon, first of all, the dad was transferred here, secondly, they, as far as I know, the family hasn't made a decision yet as to which school the young man will attend, and thirdly, if you want to refer to a sophomore to be, who saw VERY little time on the field last year as a freshman as "one of the best QB's in the country", then I don't know what to tell you.

It was purely a hypothetical question. It is funny how you seem OK with kids choosing to go Massillon (which is their right to do), but you have a problem when kids choose to go to a private school? Shouldn't the kid and family be able to do what they think is in their best interest for the future?