Is being GAY a choice or are you born that way?

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Feb 23, 2010 5:33 PM
human nature to like females, you can choose to go against human nature and like males

i have zero problems with homosexuals, i just feel strongly that it is a choice
Feb 23, 2010 5:33pm
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Feb 23, 2010 5:39 PM
UA5straightin2008 wrote: okay, then how does gay person pass on there gay genes when they (most likely) do not reproduce?
Actually, much like the case of the alleged alcoholism gene, not every person who bears the gene would act on it. Thus, it may indeed stand to reason that very few people ARE passing it on. Just enough that it's on the radar.
Gblock wrote: just had another thought...honestly who cares??? if your gay your gay....just treat people how they treat you
How they DO treat me or how they SHOULD treat me? With they way you said it, I'm allowed to be a dick to a LOT of people.
HighRoller74 wrote: Serious Question:

When did you heterosexual men choose to be straight?

I know I'm hetero, and don't even remember this question being presented to me. All I remember was one day, girls just started to appeal to me, wasn't like I was sat down by the Doctor, and he gave me the option.
Indeed, this is something that a lot of people pose. It bears a problem, though.

It presupposes that we start out nonsexual, and from there, we choose. Based on the laws of natural selection, it would seem most probable that heterosexuality is the default.

Let me pose it to you this way, and remember, I don't espouse the "choice" view. I'm just explaining how it would respond to the question.

I, and most people barring mutation, was born with two nipples. However, suppose a friend of mine had a "nipplectomy," and he only has one left.

I have two nipples because I was born that way.
My friend has one nipple because he CHOSE to be that way.

Just because I didn't choose my nipple count, that doesn't mean nobody does.

Make sense?
Feb 23, 2010 5:39pm
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Feb 23, 2010 5:42 PM
UA5straightin2008 wrote: human nature to like females, you can choose to go against human nature and like males

i have zero problems with homosexuals, i just feel strongly that it is a choice
Given the seemingly unnatural tendencies of other kinds that are resultant in the giving into genetic predisposition, I really don't think it matters what is deemed "natural."

To preface, I don't think it's permanently ingrained into a person's DNA. I think some have a predisposition to it, but like alcoholism, one would have to allow it (whether intentional or not) to take hold.
Feb 23, 2010 5:42pm
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Feb 23, 2010 5:58 PM
Mr Pat wrote:
Big_Mirg_ZHS wrote:
tigerballonline wrote: This is a combination of both. First off all people are born into sin. So a person is born to sin, and being gay is no more a sin than adultery or any other sin. Having sex is a choice, whether it is gay or straight sex. A person who has homosexual urges does not have to give into those urges, and can stay abstinent. Just as a person who is straight may go there whole life not having sex. Believe it or not there are a few out there that have never had sex.
So being gay is a sin eh? I love how christians are not supposed to judge yet thats what they spend most of their time doing.


Where was my judgment in this. Because I judge every person but one ever to be a sinner? How can i judge others without judging myself? I include myself in those statements. There is no judgment in my statement, i never called out anyone, just stating truth. If you do not like the truth I speak, that is your choice, but know that I include myself in that group, and do not condemn anyone.
Feb 23, 2010 5:58pm
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Feb 23, 2010 5:59 PM
Didn't we already have a thread on this?
Feb 23, 2010 5:59pm
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Feb 23, 2010 8:15 PM
O-Trap wrote:
UA5straightin2008 wrote: okay, then how does gay person pass on there gay genes when they (most likely) do not reproduce?
Actually, much like the case of the alleged alcoholism gene, not every person who bears the gene would act on it. Thus, it may indeed stand to reason that very few people ARE passing it on. Just enough that it's on the radar.
Gblock wrote: just had another thought...honestly who cares??? if your gay your gay....just treat people how they treat you
How they DO treat me or how they SHOULD treat me? With they way you said it, I'm allowed to be a dick to a LOT of people.
HighRoller74 wrote: Serious Question:

When did you heterosexual men choose to be straight?

I know I'm hetero, and don't even remember this question being presented to me. All I remember was one day, girls just started to appeal to me, wasn't like I was sat down by the Doctor, and he gave me the option.
Indeed, this is something that a lot of people pose. It bears a problem, though.

It presupposes that we start out nonsexual, and from there, we choose. Based on the laws of natural selection, it would seem most probable that heterosexuality is the default.

Let me pose it to you this way, and remember, I don't espouse the "choice" view. I'm just explaining how it would respond to the question.

I, and most people barring mutation, was born with two nipples. However, suppose a friend of mine had a "nipplectomy," and he only has one left.

I have two nipples because I was born that way.
My friend has one nipple because he CHOSE to be that way.

Just because I didn't choose my nipple count, that doesn't mean nobody does.

Make sense?
my problem is when you say "they".....i treat everyone as an individual and their orientation doesnt effect my reactions....you cant make judgments based on a group but rather an individual
Feb 23, 2010 8:15pm
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Feb 23, 2010 9:00 PM
IMO, I believe people are born that way, just as some people are born straight. Neither hetero or homosexuals have ever made the "choice", they were born that way IMO.

As far as people saying this would be bred out if it were genetic, so would hereditary defects and mental retardation, using your logic.
Feb 23, 2010 9:00pm
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Feb 23, 2010 9:02 PM
Since I am the only person on here who admits to being gay, I guess I should respond.

I don't know if I was born gay, but I do know that I have gotten an erection thinking about men since I was five years old. When I was very young, I was in love with Hoppalong Cassidy and the other cowboys. Looking at their boots really got me hard. As I grew older, nothing really changed. I think I was eleven when I started jacking off, and it was always when I was looking at pictures of hot men or was thinking about them.

I wasn't able to put a label on myself until I turned 18. It was only then that I realized I was the person my parents had warned me about. For 12 years I did everything in my power to change, including praying every night to God to make me straight. When I turned 30 I finally learned to accept myself. It was at that age that I finally lost my virginity. And just as a sidenote, I was as gay when I was in the closet as I was when I started having sexual relations. Nothing in my status changed except that I was sexually active.

I can say for absolute certainty that I have never been straight in my life. I have never been attracted to women. The only two choices I ever made were to be straight at the age of 18 which clearly didn't work, and to come out of the closet at the age of 30.

It is unlikely that DNA has anything to do with sexuality. I am the only gay person anywhere in my family, and I know a lot of gay grandfathers who have only straight children and grandchildren. There may be a biological reason, but DNA is probably not it.
Feb 23, 2010 9:02pm
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Feb 23, 2010 9:16 PM
FairwoodKing wrote:

It is unlikely that DNA has anything to do with sexuality. I am the only gay person anywhere in my family, and I know a lot of gay grandfathers who have only straight children and grandchildren. There may be a biological reason, but DNA is probably not it.
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Feb 23, 2010 9:16pm
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Feb 23, 2010 9:17 PM
Don't get me wrong Fairwood, I'm not saying it is genetic, just stating that people saying it would be bred out are using a weak argument.

I am not sure what causes someone to be gay or straight, I just believe that it is NOT a choice made by individuals. The choice, as you stated, is when they come to terms and accept what they are.
Feb 23, 2010 9:17pm
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Feb 23, 2010 9:20 PM
I think for many it wasn't a choice. But some people can choose to be gay, and it can also have to do with upbringing. Regardless though, does it really matter why someone is gay?
Feb 23, 2010 9:20pm
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Feb 23, 2010 9:26 PM
dwccrew wrote: Don't get me wrong Fairwood, I'm not saying it is genetic, just stating that people saying it would be bred out are using a weak argument.

I am not sure what causes someone to be gay or straight, I just believe that it is NOT a choice made by individuals. The choice, as you stated, is when they come to terms and accept what they are.
if it were genetic, it would be impossible for it to be weeded out, you cannot lose a recessive or dominant allele unless there is some type of outside force outside force
Feb 23, 2010 9:26pm
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Feb 23, 2010 10:30 PM
eersandbeers wrote: I think for many it wasn't a choice. But some people can choose to be gay, and it can also have to do with upbringing. Regardless though, does it really matter why someone is gay?
I've known many bisexuals. Without exception, they all chose to be straight except for maybe a little bit of fooling around. Being straight is apparently a lot easier than being gay.
Feb 23, 2010 10:30pm
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Feb 23, 2010 11:32 PM
UA5straightin2008 wrote:
dwccrew wrote: Don't get me wrong Fairwood, I'm not saying it is genetic, just stating that people saying it would be bred out are using a weak argument.

I am not sure what causes someone to be gay or straight, I just believe that it is NOT a choice made by individuals. The choice, as you stated, is when they come to terms and accept what they are.
if it were genetic, it would be impossible for it to be weeded out, you cannot lose a recessive or dominant allele unless there is some type of outside force outside force

Ok, we agree then. That's what I was saying, that it can't be bred out.
Feb 23, 2010 11:32pm
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Feb 24, 2010 12:42 AM
dwccrew wrote:
UA5straightin2008 wrote:
dwccrew wrote: Don't get me wrong Fairwood, I'm not saying it is genetic, just stating that people saying it would be bred out are using a weak argument.

I am not sure what causes someone to be gay or straight, I just believe that it is NOT a choice made by individuals. The choice, as you stated, is when they come to terms and accept what they are.
if it were genetic, it would be impossible for it to be weeded out, you cannot lose a recessive or dominant allele unless there is some type of outside force outside force

Ok, we agree then. That's what I was saying, that it can't be bred out.
agreed, but i still find it hard to believe that it is genetic at all, biological=yes, genetic=no
Feb 24, 2010 12:42am
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Feb 24, 2010 12:54 AM
UA5straightin2008 wrote:
dwccrew wrote:
UA5straightin2008 wrote:
dwccrew wrote: Don't get me wrong Fairwood, I'm not saying it is genetic, just stating that people saying it would be bred out are using a weak argument.

I am not sure what causes someone to be gay or straight, I just believe that it is NOT a choice made by individuals. The choice, as you stated, is when they come to terms and accept what they are.
if it were genetic, it would be impossible for it to be weeded out, you cannot lose a recessive or dominant allele unless there is some type of outside force outside force

Ok, we agree then. That's what I was saying, that it can't be bred out.
agreed, but i still find it hard to believe that it is genetic at all, biological=yes, genetic=no
I agree with this statement as well. It is biological, but I am not sure how it works.
Feb 24, 2010 12:54am
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Feb 24, 2010 12:57 AM
I think you are born with that trait...but as Jerry would say....not that there's anything wrong with that.
Feb 24, 2010 12:57am
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Feb 24, 2010 12:59 AM
One of the best episodes ever

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Feb 24, 2010 1:00 AM
Choice.
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Feb 24, 2010 1:01 AM
^ I agree.
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Fan...your fingers were to quick. I was posting to crew.
Feb 24, 2010 1:02am
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Feb 24, 2010 1:03 AM
I'm curious as to why some people feel it is a choice. While I disagree with that, I am interested in what some arguments may be as to why you feel it is a choice.

Do you also believe people make the choice to be heterosexual? Not a condescending question, I am really asking if you believe that one makes the choice and not the other or if they both make the choice.
Feb 24, 2010 1:03am
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Feb 24, 2010 1:13 AM
i think that it is natural/human nature/animal nature, etc for organisms to be attracted to the opposite sex..that is, in order to increase their fitness (produce healthy offspring that live to be adults), they must mate with the opposite sex. I feel that in order to go against this, you must make that choice

also,

Alternative hypothesis: Being homosexual is genetic
Null hypothesis: Being homosexual is not genetic

no data shows that it is genetic whatsoever, so there is not correlation between genetics and being homosexual, thus P>.05, thus we fail to reject the null, accepting it as truth :D....modified stats for ya
Feb 24, 2010 1:13am
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Feb 24, 2010 2:21 AM
UA5straightin2008 wrote: i think that it is natural/human nature/animal nature, etc for organisms to be attracted to the opposite sex..that is, in order to increase their fitness (produce healthy offspring that live to be adults), they must mate with the opposite sex. I feel that in order to go against this, you must make that choice
also,

Alternative hypothesis: Being homosexual is genetic
Null hypothesis: Being homosexual is not genetic

no data shows that it is genetic whatsoever, so there is not correlation between genetics and being homosexual, thus P>.05, thus we fail to reject the null, accepting it as truth :D....modified stats for ya
I know you're wrong because I never made that choice nor did any of my friends. People like you are too damn ignorant to listen to people who know what they are talking about.
Feb 24, 2010 2:21am