Is being GAY a choice or are you born that way?

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Feb 24, 2010 2:31 AM
UA is right. Being attracted to females is natural for males. Look at other species of animals. We are animals, obviously. It's supposed to be that way for reproduction. But some people chose to oppose nature. There are exceptions to pretty much everything. Like I said, I think with a lot of gay men, a life experienced made them that way. Whether it literally turned them that way because of something psychological or they chose based on the experience, I think that's a big part of it. Some guys just don't get attracted to girls, but I don't think they're born with it. They just grow up paying more attention to guys--when most guys are going through the cootie stage, they're a little deeper into not liking girls for some reason. Maybe they take it more seriously lol. I don't know. All I know, is I absolutely do not think you are born with it--and there isn't any evidence of that either. I don't think sexuality in any form is a trait you're born with. I know plenty of slut girls who have the most God fearing parents you could imagine. Bottom line is, there is nothing wrong with being gay. The fact that we can't accept gay people is stupid--just like other races. I'm not sure why we can't coexist. But I will say that gay people aren't different from any other minority group, IMO there are too man instances of them not helping their own cause to be accepted. But it is what it is, people will aways hate--that too is human nature.
Feb 24, 2010 2:31am
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Feb 24, 2010 6:03 AM
If being gay is not a "Choice" why do infants find it natural to breast feed from their mother? i dont' remember ever seeing a kid trying to nurse from their dad? Why because that is just not natural.
Feb 24, 2010 6:03am
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Feb 24, 2010 6:45 AM
WeAreNC wrote: If being gay is not a "Choice" why do infants find it natural to breast feed from their mother? i dont' remember ever seeing a kid trying to nurse from their dad? Why because that is just not natural.
Probably b/c infants see breasts as means of food and not sexual excitation. Same reason eating a hot dog doesn't mean you like cock in your mouth. I'm hoping you weren't serious with this analogy.
Feb 24, 2010 6:45am
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Feb 24, 2010 8:28 AM
WeAreNC wrote: If being gay is not a "Choice" why do infants find it natural to breast feed from their mother? i dont' remember ever seeing a kid trying to nurse from their dad? Why because that is just not natural.
Even as someone who believes its a choice, you can't be serious with this analogy...that's just asinine.
Feb 24, 2010 8:28am
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Feb 24, 2010 8:59 AM
jmog wrote:
Big_Mirg_ZHS wrote:
So being gay is a sin eh? I love how christians are not supposed to judge yet thats what they spend most of their time doing.
How is saying its a sin judging? Learn the definition of sin and judge.

Reiterating what the Bible says about homosexuality is not judging.

Now, if he said "all those homos are going to hell and are dispicable" then you'd have a point.
Well for something to be a sin someone judged it bad. I dont agree with it being bad.

"Sin is often used to mean an action that is prohibited or considered wrong;"

Judge: to form an opinion of; He has an opinion that its a sin. He says its a sin so he obviously thinks its wrong. There is my logic. Im catholic but i still dont think its a sin. And i still think ill go to heaven not because my brother is in to dudes and I don't sit there telling him how awful of a human being he is.
Feb 24, 2010 8:59am
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Feb 24, 2010 9:12 AM
jmog wrote:
WeAreNC wrote: If being gay is not a "Choice" why do infants find it natural to breast feed from their mother? i dont' remember ever seeing a kid trying to nurse from their dad? Why because that is just not natural.
Even as someone who believes its a choice, you can't be serious with this analogy...that's just asinine.
Scary to think that NCF is the smart one in the family.
Feb 24, 2010 9:12am
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Feb 24, 2010 9:12 AM
To consult the word of God seems to have found no place in this conversation, although it should. Yes, this is from a Christian!
Our judgment of one another is wrong in the eyes of God should we make that judgment based on our opinion without any factual/physical evidence. Proper judgment of any one or any thing is made by the "fruit" borne by that person/thing.

As for the question at hand, we are born either male or female, of the singular or combined race/creed of our parents. Homosexuality, as is all sin, a choice made by man. Attempts are made to say that it is part of our genes/DNA and then to attach some scientific credibility to that lie. Some will continue to attempt to hide behind that lie and the unGodly will certainly dismiss it.

Be that as it may, a time will come when you will definitely be made aware of the truth of God. It'll be too late and you won't be able to question His judgment!
Feb 24, 2010 9:12am
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Feb 24, 2010 9:17 AM
Big_Mirg_ZHS wrote:
jmog wrote:
Big_Mirg_ZHS wrote:
So being gay is a sin eh? I love how christians are not supposed to judge yet thats what they spend most of their time doing.
How is saying its a sin judging? Learn the definition of sin and judge.

Reiterating what the Bible says about homosexuality is not judging.

Now, if he said "all those homos are going to hell and are dispicable" then you'd have a point.
Well for something to be a sin someone judged it bad. I dont agree with it being bad.

"Sin is often used to mean an action that is prohibited or considered wrong;"

Judge: to form an opinion of; He has an opinion that its a sin. He says its a sin so he obviously thinks its wrong. There is my logic. Im catholic but i still dont think its a sin. And i still think ill go to heaven not because my brother is in to dudes and I don't sit there telling him how awful of a human being he is.
You don't think it's a sin!?

Do catholics read the Bible at all or do they just let the priest to read and interpret it to them?
Feb 24, 2010 9:17am
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Feb 24, 2010 9:47 AM
No its called i dont take the bible word for word. Its open for interpretation. I dont let a book written 2k years ago influence my life that much. I live based on Karma.
Feb 24, 2010 9:47am
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Feb 24, 2010 10:17 AM
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UA5straightin2008 wrote: i think that it is natural/human nature/animal nature, etc for organisms to be attracted to the opposite sex..that is, in order to increase their fitness (produce healthy offspring that live to be adults), they must mate with the opposite sex. I feel that in order to go against this, you must make that choice
also,

Alternative hypothesis: Being homosexual is genetic
Null hypothesis: Being homosexual is not genetic

no data shows that it is genetic whatsoever, so there is not correlation between genetics and being homosexual, thus P>.05, thus we fail to reject the null, accepting it as truth :D....modified stats for ya
I know you're wrong because I never made that choice nor did any of my friends. People like you are too damn ignorant to listen to people who know what they are talking about.
how do yo know it was not a subconscious decision? i am a biology major, chemistry minor, taken classes in evolution in the past and this is what i believe...pretty sure i am not too ignorant

ps denison>kent state :P
Feb 24, 2010 10:17am
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Feb 24, 2010 10:59 AM
Big_Mirg_ZHS wrote: No its called i dont take the bible word for word. Its open for interpretation. I dont let a book written 2k years ago influence my life that much. I live based on Karma.
Well, I know Karma's not going to do any thing for you!

You'll see!
Feb 24, 2010 10:59am
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Feb 24, 2010 11:02 AM
Series62 wrote:
Big_Mirg_ZHS wrote: No its called i dont take the bible word for word. Its open for interpretation. I dont let a book written 2k years ago influence my life that much. I live based on Karma.
Well, I know Karma's not going to do any thing for you!

You'll see!
I thought you were supposed to let God do that judging? Judge not lest you be judged?
Feb 24, 2010 11:02am
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Feb 24, 2010 11:28 AM
cbus4life wrote: I thought you were supposed to let God do that judging? Judge not lest you be judged?
If you read that whole passage in its context, it is speaking of making self-righteous/hypocritcal judments of others.
Feb 24, 2010 11:28am
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Feb 24, 2010 11:41 AM
majorspark wrote:
cbus4life wrote: I thought you were supposed to let God do that judging? Judge not lest you be judged?
If you read that whole passage in its context, it is speaking of making self-righteous/hypocritcal judments of others.
I know.

And he seems to be making self-righteous judgments of others, the way i'm reading it.
Feb 24, 2010 11:41am
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Feb 24, 2010 12:29 PM
cbus4life wrote:
majorspark wrote:
cbus4life wrote: I thought you were supposed to let God do that judging? Judge not lest you be judged?
If you read that whole passage in its context, it is speaking of making self-righteous/hypocritcal judments of others.
I know.

And he seems to be making self-righteous judgments of others, the way i'm reading it.
He made the statement that his life is not influenced by God's Word, which is to say his life is not influenced by God. Thereby, he does not accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. It's not a self-righteous judgment at all, it is a statement of truth based upon his own words.

Jesus will do the judging and He does not judge by your Karma.
Feb 24, 2010 12:29pm
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Feb 24, 2010 1:10 PM
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Feb 24, 2010 1:10pm
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Feb 24, 2010 1:19 PM
Series62 wrote:
Big_Mirg_ZHS wrote:
jmog wrote:
Big_Mirg_ZHS wrote:
So being gay is a sin eh? I love how christians are not supposed to judge yet thats what they spend most of their time doing.
How is saying its a sin judging? Learn the definition of sin and judge.

Reiterating what the Bible says about homosexuality is not judging.

Now, if he said "all those homos are going to hell and are dispicable" then you'd have a point.
Well for something to be a sin someone judged it bad. I dont agree with it being bad.

"Sin is often used to mean an action that is prohibited or considered wrong;"

Judge: to form an opinion of; He has an opinion that its a sin. He says its a sin so he obviously thinks its wrong. There is my logic. Im catholic but i still dont think its a sin. And i still think ill go to heaven not because my brother is in to dudes and I don't sit there telling him how awful of a human being he is.
You don't think it's a sin!?

Do catholics read the Bible at all or do they just let the priest to read and interpret it to them?
Series62 wrote:
cbus4life wrote:
majorspark wrote:
cbus4life wrote: I thought you were supposed to let God do that judging? Judge not lest you be judged?
If you read that whole passage in its context, it is speaking of making self-righteous/hypocritcal judments of others.
I know.

And he seems to be making self-righteous judgments of others, the way i'm reading it.
He made the statement that his life is not influenced by God's Word, which is to say his life is not influenced by God. Thereby, he does not accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. It's not a self-righteous judgment at all, it is a statement of truth based upon his own words.

Jesus will do the judging and He does not judge by your Karma.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Jesus believed in Karma, I never said i dont live by Gods word, I just said i dont live my life based on a 2,000 year old book. I never once denouced God in Any way. Nice way to put words into my mouth. Nice try though.
Feb 24, 2010 1:19pm
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Feb 24, 2010 1:43 PM


I say yes (under the hypothetical situation that "god" fellow exists until the established Christian belief system). What say you?
Feb 24, 2010 1:43pm
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Feb 24, 2010 1:44 PM
Big_Mirg_ZHS wrote:
Well for something to be a sin someone judged it bad. I dont agree with it being bad.

"Sin is often used to mean an action that is prohibited or considered wrong;"

Judge: to form an opinion of; He has an opinion that its a sin. He says its a sin so he obviously thinks its wrong. There is my logic. Im catholic but i still dont think its a sin. And i still think ill go to heaven not because my brother is in to dudes and I don't sit there telling him how awful of a human being he is.
You might want to re-read what he typed then. He was stating that the Bible, hence God said it was wrong/sin, not Christians.

So again, you are wrong he wasn't judging anyone, God/the Bible was.
Feb 24, 2010 1:44pm
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Feb 24, 2010 2:11 PM
Series62 wrote:
Big_Mirg_ZHS wrote:
jmog wrote:
Big_Mirg_ZHS wrote:
So being gay is a sin eh? I love how christians are not supposed to judge yet thats what they spend most of their time doing.
How is saying its a sin judging? Learn the definition of sin and judge.

Reiterating what the Bible says about homosexuality is not judging.

Now, if he said "all those homos are going to hell and are dispicable" then you'd have a point.
Well for something to be a sin someone judged it bad. I dont agree with it being bad.

"Sin is often used to mean an action that is prohibited or considered wrong;"

Judge: to form an opinion of; He has an opinion that its a sin. He says its a sin so he obviously thinks its wrong. There is my logic. Im catholic but i still dont think its a sin. And i still think ill go to heaven not because my brother is in to dudes and I don't sit there telling him how awful of a human being he is.
You don't think it's a sin!?

Do catholics read the Bible at all or do they just let the priest to read and interpret it to them?
Nothing like taking a shot and making an assinine statement on the largest religion in the world because you disagree with one of them. Cool guy!
Feb 24, 2010 2:11pm
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Feb 24, 2010 2:47 PM
Mr Pat wrote:
Series62 wrote:
Big_Mirg_ZHS wrote:
jmog wrote:
Big_Mirg_ZHS wrote:
So being gay is a sin eh? I love how christians are not supposed to judge yet thats what they spend most of their time doing.
How is saying its a sin judging? Learn the definition of sin and judge.

Reiterating what the Bible says about homosexuality is not judging.

Now, if he said "all those homos are going to hell and are dispicable" then you'd have a point.
Well for something to be a sin someone judged it bad. I dont agree with it being bad.

"Sin is often used to mean an action that is prohibited or considered wrong;"

Judge: to form an opinion of; He has an opinion that its a sin. He says its a sin so he obviously thinks its wrong. There is my logic. Im catholic but i still dont think its a sin. And i still think ill go to heaven not because my brother is in to dudes and I don't sit there telling him how awful of a human being he is.
You don't think it's a sin!?

Do catholics read the Bible at all or do they just let the priest to read and interpret it to them?
Nothing like taking a shot and making an assinine statement on the largest religion in the world because you disagree with one of them. Cool guy!
Catholicism is not even close to being the largest religion. And how did this ever get into a religious debate.

But since we're going down that road...... If God is responsible for all things, Why the hell wouldn't he put a one way sign on a man's ass?
Feb 24, 2010 2:47pm
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Feb 24, 2010 2:52 PM
I know I kind of touched on this earlier, but I'm genuinely curious for responses...

...Why does it matter? I mean, as far as whether it's a choice, or not?

Whether it is or not, does that change anything at all in anyone's mind?

It doesn't for me, but if it does for someone else, I'd like to get an understanding of why it would, I guess.
Feb 24, 2010 2:52pm
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cbus4life

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Feb 24, 2010 2:54 PM
Never really understood why it mattered, either.

P.S. I love all the types ads this thread is generating. :D
Feb 24, 2010 2:54pm
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Feb 24, 2010 3:25 PM
Devils Advocate wrote:
Mr Pat wrote:
Series62 wrote:
Big_Mirg_ZHS wrote:
jmog wrote:
Big_Mirg_ZHS wrote:
So being gay is a sin eh? I love how christians are not supposed to judge yet thats what they spend most of their time doing.
How is saying its a sin judging? Learn the definition of sin and judge.

Reiterating what the Bible says about homosexuality is not judging.

Now, if he said "all those homos are going to hell and are dispicable" then you'd have a point.
Well for something to be a sin someone judged it bad. I dont agree with it being bad.

"Sin is often used to mean an action that is prohibited or considered wrong;"

Judge: to form an opinion of; He has an opinion that its a sin. He says its a sin so he obviously thinks its wrong. There is my logic. Im catholic but i still dont think its a sin. And i still think ill go to heaven not because my brother is in to dudes and I don't sit there telling him how awful of a human being he is.
You don't think it's a sin!?

Do catholics read the Bible at all or do they just let the priest to read and interpret it to them?
Nothing like taking a shot and making an assinine statement on the largest religion in the world because you disagree with one of them. Cool guy!
Catholicism is not even close to being the largest religion. And how did this ever get into a religious debate.

But since we're going down that road...... If God is responsible for all things, Why the hell wouldn't he put a one way sign on a man's ass?
Not even close, huh?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article3653800.ece

We were both wrong, except you were more wrong.
Feb 24, 2010 3:25pm
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Feb 24, 2010 3:29 PM
Real question:

Is hating gay's a choice or are you born that way?
Feb 24, 2010 3:29pm