cats gone wild wrote: No, it shouldnt be allowed. They are living in sin, its not marriage in God's eyes even if they get a certificate, the kids will get made fun of repeatedly. Just because kids get picked on anyways, does it make it right to make sure they automatically get picked on? Dont people care about the CHILD"S interest anymore? Evidently not considering idiots have abortions. There are certain things a mom can teach a kid and a dad can teach a kid. If they dont have a parents of opposite sex, they are going to miss out on alot at life.

And as for me, I HAVE had an adoption license for over a year and havent received a child. And me and my wife are unable to have children. Are you telling me, a gay couple should get a child over me and my wife? You are completely out of your mind if you think gays should receive children over couples of opposite sexes who will care and love a child. And there are PLENTY of couples who know what me and my wife are going through. Bash me if you want, but if you arent in my shoes then you have no right to tell me I dont know what Im talking about.

No, you really do have no idea what you are talking about.

Are you saying that you should receive a child before a homosexual couple because you believe you will care for it and love it more than the gay couple? What is this based on?

And yes, based on how you act on this board, i absolutely believe that ANY couple should get a child before you.

I think we should take children away from single parents and give them to people like CGW so that the child will benefit from having two parents.

cats gone wild wrote: And me and my wife are unable to have children. Are you telling me, a gay couple should get a child over me and my wife?

While I feel sorry that you can't have kids, maybe it's God's way of telling you that you shouldn't raise any...

CinciX12 wrote: Who pays for the therapy then for these children when they are made fun of by their peers at school?

I'm not saying that gay people shouldn't be able too, but it does make the kid subject of ridicule during his/her childhood.

I'd argue you're even more likely to get made fun of for being fat, should fat people not be allowed to have children?

cats gone wild wrote: No, it shouldnt be allowed. They are living in sin, its not marriage in God's eyes even if they get a certificate, the kids will get made fun of repeatedly. Just because kids get picked on anyways, does it make it right to make sure they automatically get picked on? Dont people care about the CHILD"S interest anymore? Evidently not considering idiots have abortions. There are certain things a mom can teach a kid and a dad can teach a kid. If they dont have a parents of opposite sex, they are going to miss out on alot at life.

And as for me, I HAVE had an adoption license for over a year and havent received a child. And me and my wife are unable to have children. Are you telling me, a gay couple should get a child over me and my wife? You are completely out of your mind if you think gays should receive children over couples of opposite sexes who will care and love a child. And there are PLENTY of couples who know what me and my wife are going through. Bash me if you want, but if you arent in my shoes then you have no right to tell me I dont know what Im talking about.

Based on this post, I'm guessing there's a lot of homosexual couples that could raise a child as well or better than you.

They will have to go to public schools.

GoPens wrote:

cats gone wild wrote: And me and my wife are unable to have children. Are you telling me, a gay couple should get a child over me and my wife?

While I feel sorry that you can't have kids, maybe it's God's way of telling you that you shouldn't raise any...

BOOM!

"Cats, that's unfortunate that you and your wife have not received a child yet....but to say you are superior to another couple based upon nothing other than sexual orientation is simply conceited."

Again, ORIENTATION has nothing to with the issue IMO.

Most kids have no idea what their parents do in the bedroom (if they even do anything).

For those that believe that a same sex couple (all other things considered) should be considered on par (or as some people say, pari passu) with an opposite sexual couple, do you also think a single woman or single man should also be considered in the same manner?

dwccrew wrote: Yes, there is plenty of gay couples that could provide a better and more loving home than some straight couples. Sexual orientation shouldn't have anything to do with someone's ability to raise a child. JMO

THIS.

I just think it is unfair that a gay couple can get health insurance without marriage but my girlfriend and I who have been living together for 2 years with a child now can't get insurance together without marriage. I guess the mother of my child's health isn't as important as Butt Pirate Paul's.

For those that believe that a same sex couple (all other things considered) should be considered on par (or as some people say, pari passu) with an opposite sexual couple, do you also think a single woman or single man should also be considered in the same manner?

Absolutely they should. My brother is single and has adopted 2 teenage foster kids. They make a great family.

Once again, that isn't a traditional adoption. I'm starting to think I'm the only one that begins to understand my initial point, maybe I'm not making it clear.

If you are a couple (of any orientation) and are looking to adopt a child brought to term from an unwanted pregnancy, the number of potential adoptive parents is staggering and the waitlists are in the terms of years if you go to a state-supported service. Even if you go through a private service, the costs are incredibly high. There is a reason why Chinese and Russian services are so popular (and unfortunately, often corrupt). There are a lot of desperate couples that have sacrificed not just $$$ but a lot of emotional well being in the process. I'm not calling anyone a liar here but there may be matters that they might not be aware about that explains their anecdotal evidence (pre-existing relationships, foster programs, etc.).

^^Traditional or not. Even if he was looking to adopt a newborn, I still think he should have every right to adopt as "normal" opposite sex family.

^^^

I respectfully (but strongly) disagree.

No, I don't think gays should be allowed to adopt children. Until the gays wanted to start adopting kids, the children in this country were perfect and had no problems with disrespect.

^^^ Same here. I can say with 100% certainty that I'd feel better for the child if my brother raised a newborn alone than Cats who's married after reading the crap he's spewing on here.

dwccrew wrote: Yes, there is plenty of gay couples that could provide a better and more loving home than some straight couples. Sexual orientation shouldn't have anything to do with someone's ability to raise a child. JMO

This. Why should it matter? as long as you can give them a good home and a foundation let it be

I'm gay and I know a lot of gays and lesbians who have adopted. I have never seen a failure. As far as kids being harassed in school, that might have been the case years ago but it is not the case so much today. There are so many kids from broken homes (with straight parents) that any kid from a good home is not apt to be attacked.

The real problem comes from gays who marry and have their own natural kids. When the gay parent finally comes out of the closet, all kinds of problems arise. My best friend fell into this. When his ex-wife found out about him, she filed for divorse and accused him of being a child molester. Even though there wasn't any truth to this, the court went along with her. He didn't get to see his son and daughter until they grew up. If he had partnered with another man and adopted a child, there wouldn't have been any problem.

I'm not gay, but I'm all for them adopting. Children need homes. If someone is gay and you care at this point, you're an asshole. Period.

cats gone wild wrote: No, it shouldnt be allowed. They are living in sin, its not marriage in God's eyes even if they get a certificate, the kids will get made fun of repeatedly. Just because kids get picked on anyways, does it make it right to make sure they automatically get picked on? Dont people care about the CHILD"S interest anymore? Evidently not considering idiots have abortions. There are certain things a mom can teach a kid and a dad can teach a kid. If they dont have a parents of opposite sex, they are going to miss out on alot at life.

And as for me, I HAVE had an adoption license for over a year and havent received a child. And me and my wife are unable to have children. Are you telling me, a gay couple should get a child over me and my wife? You are completely out of your mind if you think gays should receive children over couples of opposite sexes who will care and love a child. And there are PLENTY of couples who know what me and my wife are going through. Bash me if you want, but if you arent in my shoes then you have no right to tell me I dont know what Im talking about.

Manhattan Buckeye wrote: "Cats, that's unfortunate that you and your wife have not received a child yet....but to say you are superior to another couple based upon nothing other than sexual orientation is simply conceited."

Again, ORIENTATION has nothing to with the issue IMO.

Most kids have no idea what their parents do in the bedroom (if they even do anything).

For those that believe that a same sex couple (all other things considered) should be considered on par (or as some people say, pari passu) with an opposite sexual couple, do you also think a single woman or single man should also be considered in the same manner?

I was referring to CGW's post which pretty much IS based solely on the orientation of the couple. Now the question you pose really isn't clear. What do you mean by "on par"? Do you mean as human beings? As parents? You're inferring that a single parent or gay couple are ultimately inferior in parenting skills to a same sex couple. This is a nice generalization, but I think all of us on here know at least one same-sex couple that should NOT be parents. Also, I think most of us know someone (or maybe are someone) who was either raised by a single parent or gay parents and turned out just fine.

Look, adoption is a big issue in this country. There are thousands of orphaned children living in the hell known as the American foster care system or orphanages that would love to be brought into a good home. I feel like that home can be provided by same-sex couples, gay couples, or single parents. I have seen all three sets of people raise fine children. To make generalizations like you are MB is a little irresponsible IMO. Parents should be judged on their parenting skills not on their orientation or how many parents there are. There are some single parents that do a better job raising there kids than a same-sex couple. Is that always the case? Probably not, but I won't say for sure because I don't make those kinds of generalizations.

krazie45 wrote:

Manhattan Buckeye wrote: "Cats, that's unfortunate that you and your wife have not received a child yet....but to say you are superior to another couple based upon nothing other than sexual orientation is simply conceited."

Again, ORIENTATION has nothing to with the issue IMO.

Most kids have no idea what their parents do in the bedroom (if they even do anything).

For those that believe that a same sex couple (all other things considered) should be considered on par (or as some people say, pari passu) with an opposite sexual couple, do you also think a single woman or single man should also be considered in the same manner?

I was referring to CGW's post which pretty much IS based solely on the orientation of the couple. Now the question you pose really isn't clear. What do you mean by "on par"? Do you mean as human beings? As parents? You're inferring that a single parent or gay couple are ultimately inferior in parenting skills to a same sex couple. This is a nice generalization, but I think all of us on here know at least one same-sex couple that should NOT be parents. Also, I think most of us know someone (or maybe are someone) who was either raised by a single parent or gay parents and turned out just fine.

Look, adoption is a big issue in this country. There are thousands of orphaned children living in the hell known as the American foster care system or orphanages that would love to be brought into a good home. I feel like that home can be provided by same-sex couples, gay couples, or single parents. I have seen all three sets of people raise fine children. To make generalizations like you are MB is a little irresponsible IMO. Parents should be judged on their parenting skills not on their orientation or how many parents there are. There are some single parents that do a better job raising there kids than a same-sex couple. Is that always the case? Probably not, but I won't say for sure because I don't make those kinds of generalizations.

When you say "same-sex couple," I think you mean opposite-sex couple. But we understand what you're trying to say.

"There are thousands of orphaned children living in the hell known as the American foster care system or orphanages that would love to be brought into a good home. "

No there aren't compared to the willingness of many homes to take them in. This isn't a Dickens novel. It is much more difficult to be a willing parent than there available children, by some margin.

I've posted more than I should, but the more I read this thread I think a lot of people don't know what the hell they are talking about or have been misinformed.

dwccrew wrote: Yes, there is plenty of gay couples that could provide a better and more loving home than some straight couples. Sexual orientation shouldn't have anything to do with someone's ability to raise a child. JMO

Bullseye.

SQ_Crazies wrote: I'm not gay, but I'm all for them adopting. Children need homes. If someone is gay and you care at this point, you're an asshole. Period.

Holy Shit, I agree with SQ.

I am shocked to see such good conversation on this topic on this site.
Now with that in mind for those who believe in GOD and THE BIBLE how do you justify believing this is ok.

Again not ripping on anyone for what they believe in just trying to add more for you all to talk about on this topic.

"You're inferring that a single parent or gay couple are ultimately inferior in parenting skills to a same sex couple. This is a nice generalization, but I think all of us on here know at least one same-sex couple that should NOT be parents. Also, I think most of us know someone (or maybe are someone) who was either raised by a single parent or gay parents and turned out just fine."

Life treats us all different. I'm sure there are people raised by single parents for whatever reason (divorce, death, etc.) and have turned out well. I'm sure that there are people raised in poverty that turned out great due to superior parenting, so economics isn't necessarily a deciding point.

But adoption isn't life as it happens, it is discretionary. Why don't you want the best for the child available? What happened to "diversity"? What happened to being exposed to both paternal and maternal parenting? Does all of a sudden this doesn't matter?

Does anyone raised by a loving father and loving mother believe that they'd be better off being raised by a single parent? I'm not getting your point. My point is that there are plenty of loving father-mother couples ready to adopt.