FairwoodKing wrote:

Bio-Hazzzzard wrote:

I Wear Pants wrote:

Bio-Hazzzzard wrote:

eersandbeers wrote:

Bio-Hazzzzard wrote:

eersandbeers wrote:

Bio-Hazzzzard wrote: I have no doubt in my mind that a gay couple can provide a very good home for a child, however I stand my ground and absolutely do not believe in it.

Nobody has said you don't have a right to disagree with homosexuality.

We are talking about your support for blatant discrimination because you don't agree with homosexuality. They are two different things.

Blatant discrimination? My aunt is gay and I love her like any other in the family. I have a friend that is gay and have no problem with him. I show no discimination because I don't agree with it.

Not supporting the right of gays to adopt children or marry like straights is discrimination based on sexual preference.

Do you support the right of my christian faith?

Not if you think that faith means taking away the rights of others.

I believe in the Bible which to what I have been taught clearly states as homosexuality as a sin. But it also teaches to love everyone no matter their fault. Do I hate NO...Do I disagree yes

The Bible is a book of bullshit. I am gay because my cock gets hard around men, not around women. Nothing in the Bible is going to change that.

Each to his own Fairwoodking. You have the right to stand up for youself and so do I. You may think the bible is BS but I don't. I think gay is wrong and you don't...no win situation

I don't know if I'd agree on it or not. I know a lot of people that don't care for gays because of their flamboyant attitude. Just because you're gay doesn't mean you have to prove it to the whole world. Or even announce it to the whole world.

I think it depends on the situation. If they have a normal reproductive system, then use it. If not, use the legal system.

hang_loose wrote: I don't know if I'd agree on it or not. I know a lot of people that don't care for gays because of their flamboyant attitude. Just because you're gay doesn't mean you have to prove it to the whole world. Or even announce it to the whole world.

I don't like gays that are flamboyant, either. I can't stand watching Johnny Weir flounce around. I wish he would get rid of the feathers and fur and the rest of that shit and just skate. The good news is that this is probably his last year as a competitive skater, so we won't have to watch him after this.

As far as I am concerned, if you met me you would never know I'm gay. I don't advertise it. The only reason I mentioned it on this thread was because I felt compelled to defend my people.

I know a lot of people that don't care for gays because of their flamboyant attitude. Just because you're gay doesn't mean you have to prove it to the whole world

Stereotype much? Not all homosexual people are flamboyant about it. There are some who are, just like there are heterosexuals who will boisterously discuss all of the details of their sex life.

My personal belief is that children should be raised in the environment that gives them the best chance to become successful, well-balanced adults. I believe this best chance comes from being raised by loving, supportive, caring parents. Are children raised by a mom and dad who cannot stand one another but "stay together for the kids" more likely to be well-adjusted adults than a child raised by loving homosexual parents? I doubt it.

Will kids who are raised by a homosexual couple be ridiculed in school? Absolutely. But so will every other kid in the school. What really matters is their parents ability to teach them to cope with the ridicule. Lets face it, the easiest way to get somebody to stop making fun of you is to show them that it doesn't bother you. From my experience, kids will let other kids alone if they're not getting the response they want.

Bio-Hazzzzard wrote:

Strapping Young Lad wrote:

Bio-Hazzzzard wrote:

dwccrew wrote:

Bio-Hazzzzard wrote: I have no doubt in my mind that a gay couple can provide a very good home for a child, however I stand my ground and absolutely do not believe in it.

Absolutley your right to do, we can agree to disagree. I only ask that you admit that a gay couple could raise a child just as well as a straight couple. I realize based on your moral beliefs you disagree with it, but that doesn't change the fact that gay couples are just as capable as a staight couple, true?

A human being is a human being gay or straight. Yes a gay couple can raise a child and are fully capable of raising a child. I believe a child needs both sexes in their life.

If a child needs both sexes, should we take a child from a single mother and give it away to a couple????

Listen here. My mom was a mean person and was not around for most of my childhood. I hated my mom for that to the point that I didn't care if she died when I was a child/teen. I have a tough time as does my brother dealing with our wives because we never had the mother figure in our lives. My mother and I get along great now once she admitted her mistakes to my brother and I and now she is the mother we wanted 20 years later. Yes you need both.

So, we should take these kids away from single parents and give 'em to an adoptive couple so they get two parents. That only seems right if they need both parents.

its sad that people cant make room for everybody in this world in 2010.....i see the word fag on this website way to much and i would be embarrassed to use that word in public, i guess a message board where you can hide your identity makes some people do it. in my younger days i may have also been guilty of this, but over the years i have became friends both through life and through marriage with gay/lesbians that i have the utmost respect for. i dont think anyone would choose that lifestyle because of all the stigmas, its just how it is. either way what they do at night doesnt effect me and they have been great friends to me and great people to their respective communities.

I use the word fag, but I do it around my gay friend and he uses it too, so I guess I never really saw it as a bad word.

I probably shouldn't do it here since others may find it offensive an ddon't know me.....

Strapping Young Lad wrote: I use the word fag, but I do it around my gay friend and he uses it too, so I guess I never really saw it as a bad word.

I probably shouldn't do it here since others may find it offensive an ddon't know me.....

amoung friends if they are cool with it i could see that....


as far as this adoption topic.....i see so many shitty parents who are straight its amazing that people would be against people who would actually be good parents regardless of their orientation

Strapping Young Lad wrote: I use the word fag, but I do it around my gay friend and he uses it too, so I guess I never really saw it as a bad word.

I probably shouldn't do it here since others may find it offensive an ddon't know me.....

We gay men don't particularly like the word fag, but we are not overly sensitive about it unless it is used in the workplace. We regularly refer to ourselves as queer. I don't really like it, but I accept it.

FairwoodKing, I don't advertise I'm straight. Its just that a few flamboyants freak people out (like me). Just because you don't believe in the Bible does not make it bullshit! And I have no clue why you would bring up being aroused around men. Thats rediculous!!!!!!!!

While Justin just edited a couple posts with the "personal attack" deal, I deleted about eight or so. I understand this is the sort of topic that can become heated because different people have different opinions based on things like religion or having friends/family who've had to deal with being "different" and the potential crap they'd have to endure from others due to that.

I think it's pitiful to (a) use a topic like this to trash other posters OR (b) dehumanize gay people as "fags" who aren't worthy of the simple respect one should give another person by virtue of both being human. NEWSFLASH: The fact I dig chicks doesn't inherently make me superior to another man who digs dudes.
Gay people are like any other demographic in that there are a lot of good people...and a percentage who negatively stereotype them (think folk like Perez Hilton). It seems that a lot of times, when a person thinks "homosexual", they immediately visualize someone like that...which is pretty much the same sort of thing as lumping all animal lovers with PETA, all advocates of racial equality with Al Sharpton and all whites with the KKK.

hang_loose wrote: FairwoodKing, I don't advertise I'm straight. Its just that a few flamboyants freak people out (like me). Just because you don't believe in the Bible does not make it bullshit! And I have no clue why you would bring up being aroused around men. Thats rediculous!!!!!!!!

Being aroused around men is what it is all about. And it has nothing to do with the Bible. That is the point I was trying to make.

FairwoodKing wrote:

hang_loose wrote: FairwoodKing, I don't advertise I'm straight. Its just that a few flamboyants freak people out (like me). Just because you don't believe in the Bible does not make it bullshit! And I have no clue why you would bring up being aroused around men. Thats rediculous!!!!!!!!

Being aroused around men is what it is all about. And it has nothing to do with the Bible. That is the point I was trying to make.

That point has nothing to do with adopting! Talk like that is just digging a deeper hole for you and "your people" to climb out of.

Good luck to you adopting someone with an arguement like that!

eersandbeers wrote: ....
Not supporting the right of gays to adopt children or marry like straights is discrimination based on sexual preference.

I don't support the the continued government sanctioning of marriage. As soon as we get them out of marriage it will end all of this nonsense.

Strapping Young Lad wrote:

Bio-Hazzzzard wrote:

Strapping Young Lad wrote:

Bio-Hazzzzard wrote:

dwccrew wrote:

Bio-Hazzzzard wrote: I have no doubt in my mind that a gay couple can provide a very good home for a child, however I stand my ground and absolutely do not believe in it.

Absolutley your right to do, we can agree to disagree. I only ask that you admit that a gay couple could raise a child just as well as a straight couple. I realize based on your moral beliefs you disagree with it, but that doesn't change the fact that gay couples are just as capable as a staight couple, true?

A human being is a human being gay or straight. Yes a gay couple can raise a child and are fully capable of raising a child. I believe a child needs both sexes in their life.

If a child needs both sexes, should we take a child from a single mother and give it away to a couple????

Listen here. My mom was a mean person and was not around for most of my childhood. I hated my mom for that to the point that I didn't care if she died when I was a child/teen. I have a tough time as does my brother dealing with our wives because we never had the mother figure in our lives. My mother and I get along great now once she admitted her mistakes to my brother and I and now she is the mother we wanted 20 years later. Yes you need both.

So, we should take these kids away from single parents and give 'em to an adoptive couple so they get two parents. That only seems right if they need both parents.

That's not what I'm saying, but I believe both sexes make a difference in a childs life.

Con_Alma wrote:

eersandbeers wrote: ....
Not supporting the right of gays to adopt children or marry like straights is discrimination based on sexual preference.

I don't support the the continued government sanctioning of marriage. As soon as we get them out of marriage it will end all of this nonsense.

The you REALLY are guilty of being a bigot. I dont think blondes should be able to marry cause who wants all these fari skinned people running around.

I didn't state that I was opposed to anyone being married. How does that make me a bigot???

Yeah, I'll agree that the first choice is two parents, but guess what....That isn't always gonna happen, so if a buch of kids are waiting for adoption then I think it's better that they have two parents of the same sex than no parents at all....

Lifes not always perfect and not everyone is gonna have a mother and a father.....

15-20 years ago I would have said no. Of course I lived in backwoods Ohio, Christian up bringing, Military Service, so I was basically taught that being Gay was wrong...It's amazing what you can learn later in life when you think for yourself and don't worry what other think or try to make you think.

Today I would say I'll all for it. I have several gay friends and a couple lesbian relatives. I met The Wife due to a gay couple that lived next door to me. Never once have they tried to 'recruit' me to their side to sign up. I believe that's one of the fears of gays being parents is that they will try to make their children gay. My Dad and Mom never 'made' me staight, why would agay couple try to make their child gay? I don't think that they would try to influence their own child to be gay or straight, but let their child live their own life. I honestly believe the a gay couple wouldn't want a gay child, that way their child wouldn't have to go through the teasing and hurtful expierences that occured to them. Who want thast for their child, no one. Plus who doesn't want to be a Grandpa one day.

My gay couple(s) friends are very successful and could give a child more than some straight couples that have children can/have.

eersandbeers wrote:

Bio-Hazzzzard wrote:

eersandbeers wrote:

Bio-Hazzzzard wrote: I have no doubt in my mind that a gay couple can provide a very good home for a child, however I stand my ground and absolutely do not believe in it.

Nobody has said you don't have a right to disagree with homosexuality.

We are talking about your support for blatant discrimination because you don't agree with homosexuality. They are two different things.

Blatant discrimination? My aunt is gay and I love her like any other in the family. I have a friend that is gay and have no problem with him. I show no discimination because I don't agree with it.

Not supporting the right of gays to adopt children or marry like straights is discrimination based on sexual preference.

I think this guy left a few letters off the start of his user name. If they wanted to have children, bang someone from the opposite sex, that's why one has a stick and the other a hole.

Big_Mirg_ZHS wrote:

Con_Alma wrote:

eersandbeers wrote: ....
Not supporting the right of gays to adopt children or marry like straights is discrimination based on sexual preference.

I don't support the the continued government sanctioning of marriage. As soon as we get them out of marriage it will end all of this nonsense.

The you REALLY are guilty of being a bigot. I dont think blondes should be able to marry cause who wants all these fari skinned people running around.

What he meant was the government shouldn't be involved in marriage of any type, straight or gay. Meaning there shouldn't be government sanctioned marriage. At least that is how I read it and I also agree with it. The government shouldn't say who and who can't get married.

hang_loose wrote: I don't know if I'd agree on it or not. I know a lot of people that don't care for gays because of their flamboyant attitude. Just because you're gay doesn't mean you have to prove it to the whole world. Or even announce it to the whole world.

I think it depends on the situation. If they have a normal reproductive system, then use it. If not, use the legal system.

Ghmothwdwhso wrote:
I think this guy left a few letters off the start of his user name. If they wanted to have children, bang someone from the opposite sex, that's why one has a stick and the other a hole.

These 2 posts display the ignorance of some. It is funny to me how SOME people that are anti-gay can't intelligently and eloquently put a rational and logical argument together about why they are against the idea of homosexuality. They just say mean and derogatory things.

Ghmothwdwhso wrote:
I think this guy left a few letters off the start of his user name. If they wanted to have children, bang someone from the opposite sex, that's why one has a stick and the other a hole.

Agreed. Get my beer and truck and we will go string up some of dem dere faggots.

Ghmothwdwhso wrote:

eersandbeers wrote:

Bio-Hazzzzard wrote:

eersandbeers wrote:

Bio-Hazzzzard wrote: I have no doubt in my mind that a gay couple can provide a very good home for a child, however I stand my ground and absolutely do not believe in it.

Nobody has said you don't have a right to disagree with homosexuality.

We are talking about your support for blatant discrimination because you don't agree with homosexuality. They are two different things.

Blatant discrimination? My aunt is gay and I love her like any other in the family. I have a friend that is gay and have no problem with him. I show no discimination because I don't agree with it.

Not supporting the right of gays to adopt children or marry like straights is discrimination based on sexual preference.

I think this guy left a few letters off the start of his user name. If they wanted to have children, bang someone from the opposite sex, that's why one has a stick and the other a hole.

Agreed.

eersandbeers wrote:

Ghmothwdwhso wrote:
I think this guy left a few letters off the start of his user name. If they wanted to have children, bang someone from the opposite sex, that's why one has a stick and the other a hole.

Agreed. Get my beer and truck and we will go string up some of dem dere faggots.

I don't know why you edited your original reply, but that's up to you. I have no idea what you are talking about with trucks and faggots.

WTF? It's pretty simple, if you want offspring, procreate. If you are talking about adoption, go and adopt 20 or so of those kids that are in need. Don't come on here with your bleeding heart for everyone else, go and do something. How many kids have you adopted? Based upon your response, it's not enough, there are many more out there.

dwccrew wrote:

Big_Mirg_ZHS wrote:

Con_Alma wrote:

eersandbeers wrote: ....
Not supporting the right of gays to adopt children or marry like straights is discrimination based on sexual preference.

I don't support the the continued government sanctioning of marriage. As soon as we get them out of marriage it will end all of this nonsense.

The you REALLY are guilty of being a bigot. I dont think blondes should be able to marry cause who wants all these fari skinned people running around.

What he meant was the government shouldn't be involved in marriage of any type, straight or gay. Meaning there shouldn't be government sanctioned marriage. At least that is how I read it and I also agree with it. The government shouldn't say who and who can't get married.

hang_loose wrote: I don't know if I'd agree on it or not. I know a lot of people that don't care for gays because of their flamboyant attitude. Just because you're gay doesn't mean you have to prove it to the whole world. Or even announce it to the whole world.

I think it depends on the situation. If they have a normal reproductive system, then use it. If not, use the legal system.

Ghmothwdwhso wrote:
I think this guy left a few letters off the start of his user name. If they wanted to have children, bang someone from the opposite sex, that's why one has a stick and the other a hole.

These 2 posts display the ignorance of some. It is funny to me how SOME people that are anti-gay can't intelligently and eloquently put a rational and logical argument together about why they are against the idea of homosexuality. They just say mean and derogatory things.

Nice post. I'm not anti-gay, I'm pro normality, I think you are anti-heterosexual, so go get some counseling. Go adopt a kid that is in need before it's too late.