dwccrew wrote:
Because Manning could have put his team in position to win and couldn't do it. The first SB the Colts won with Manning wasn't even because of Manning, it was Rhodes, I believe, that led them to a win and he should've won the MVP.

Lebron will win more titles when his career is over than Manning will have. It also took Manning something like 9 years to win a title. We'll see if Lebron can get a win within his first 9 seasons. Lebron is in his 7th and the Cavs have a good shot at winning.

Lebron puts his team in positions to win, he just usually gets no help (in the playoffs). Manning is the only one to blame for that pick 6. Terrible throw and read. He must shoulder most the blame for that loss. He couldn't even score when they were within the redzone, what, three times in the second half? Choke artist.

jordo212000 wrote:

dwccrew wrote:
Because Manning could have put his team in position to win and couldn't do it. The first SB the Colts won with Manning wasn't even because of Manning, it was Rhodes, I believe, that led them to a win and he should've won the MVP.

Lebron will win more titles when his career is over than Manning will have. It also took Manning something like 9 years to win a title. We'll see if Lebron can get a win within his first 9 seasons. Lebron is in his 7th and the Cavs have a good shot at winning.

Lebron puts his team in positions to win, he just usually gets no help (in the playoffs). Manning is the only one to blame for that pick 6. Terrible throw and read. He must shoulder most the blame for that loss. He couldn't even score when they were within the redzone, what, three times in the second half? Choke artist.

Once again... what the heck are you talking about? Manning was the MVP whether you like it or not. I'm not sure how you can twist the argument in you favor when the majority of people thought he was the MVP.

It took Manning 9 years? So what. That is still a championship. This is a terrible argument when you consider that the guy you are arguing for hasn't won anything. Do I think Lebron will win a championship? Probably. But until he does, you can't sit there say "oh well he is going to win more championships... eventually"

Bad throw by Manning at the end of the game, yes. But the guy jumped the route. You just gotta tip your cap to the defense there. As for the 0-3 in the red zone, I can't help but think about the final play they had where he hit Reggie Wayne in the hands.

bo shemmy3337 wrote: What Lebron did was not the same as what Manning did. End of story. Lebron was wrong and he apologized for it. It is over. The fact that people in Ohio constantly think that Lebron james is the god of all basketball is why I am not a huge Cavs fan. You cant even watch a Cavs game game anymore. It is sickening. If lebron passes to anyone on the team and they hit a great shot, it's what a pass by LBJJJJ. Who gives a shit about one player. MVP yea but come on. Basketball is fun to watch because of a team. If Lebron is on the bench, they show him biting his nails when the game is on. When he shoots 30% from behind the arc and keeps firing away, people continue to think he is a great shooter. You can not win an argument with these obsessed Lebron fanatics. He is god and that is how they see it. The NBA is not basketball anymore anyway. Their bullshit rules of defensive 3 seconds only clears the way for guys like Lebron to have those great dunks. No Zone defense either? The NBA is molding the rules around star players to make money. I would rather watch college any day of the week.

Fuck Lebron and Kobe for that matter.

bo shemmy3337 wrote: What Lebron did was not the same as what Manning did. End of story. Lebron was wrong and he apologized for it. It is over. The fact that people in Ohio constantly think that Lebron james is the god of all basketball is why I am not a huge Cavs fan. You cant even watch a Cavs game game anymore. It is sickening. If lebron passes to anyone on the team and they hit a great shot, it's what a pass by LBJJJJ. Who gives a shit about one player. MVP yea but come on. Basketball is fun to watch because of a team. If Lebron is on the bench, they show him biting his nails when the game is on. When he shoots 30% from behind the arc and keeps firing away, people continue to think he is a great shooter. You can not win an argument with these obsessed Lebron fanatics. He is god and that is how they see it. The NBA is not basketball anymore anyway. Their bullshit rules of defensive 3 seconds only clears the way for guys like Lebron to have those great dunks. No Zone defense either? The NBA is molding the rules around star players to make money. I would rather watch college any day of the week.

Fuck Lebron and Kobe for that matter.

SQ_Crazies wrote: LOL yes, well said--except for the fact that zone defense is legal. Which tells me that you haven't watched the NBA any more than you've watched Oprah in 5-6 years. No wonder you don't think it's basketball. Zone defense would kill most teams that ran it in the NBA. Guys are too athletic and learned ways to beat zones as fundamentals. A lot of older guys don't think the NBA is basketball anymore either--what they don't realize is that the average players basketball IQ is 10 times higher than it was back in the day because the game has evolved based on what those former players did so the game is played a lot differently now.

SQ_Crazies wrote: I wasn't aware that zone defense was played inside the paint...LMAO

SQ_Crazies wrote: LOL, so you help when the ball is in the paint? Why would you be worried about defensive 3 seconds with the ball in the paint? Zone defense is legal in the NBA, it is used sparingly and the reason is because it doesn't work. Professional basketball players can beat a zone defense in their sleep.

SQ_Crazies wrote: I'm still missing your point completely...that's still defensible without getting called for defensive 3 seconds. Defensive 3 seconds is void if the guy is guarding someone. That rule is in there so that Dwight Howard can't stand under the rim and not even have to guard anyone. Would you rather him be able to do that? That's like Slamball defense, you might as well give him the trampoline.

2quik4u wrote:

SQ_Crazies wrote: I'm still missing your point completely...that's still defensible without getting called for defensive 3 seconds. Defensive 3 seconds is void if the guy is guarding someone. That rule is in there so that Dwight Howard can't stand under the rim and not even have to guard anyone. Would you rather him be able to do that? That's like Slamball defense, you might as well give him the trampoline.

I was trying to say if the help defenders man is close the 3 point line in the wing, while he is helping on the post. Yes I can understand the Dwight Howard thing but he is only one player. I really believe the rule was made to clear the lane up.

SQ_Crazies wrote: LOL yes, well said--except for the fact that zone defense is legal. Which tells me that you haven't watched the NBA any more than you've watched Oprah in 5-6 years. No wonder you don't think it's basketball. Zone defense would kill most teams that ran it in the NBA. Guys are too athletic and learned ways to beat zones as fundamentals. A lot of older guys don't think the NBA is basketball anymore either--what they don't realize is that the average players basketball IQ is 10 times higher than it was back in the day because the game has evolved based on what those former players did so the game is played a lot differently now.