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May 19, 2017 12:28 PM
gut;1853955 wrote:No, it was the lying Susan Rice with her manufactured talking points from Hillary and Obama.
It was a witch hunt and you bought it. Sorry you don't like reality.
May 19, 2017 12:28pm
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May 19, 2017 12:31 PM
On another subject, Tuesday, Trump will roll out his FY18 budget (about 3 months late), but on Education, this fucking sucks:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/trumps-first-full-education-budget-deep-cuts-to-public-school-programs-in-pursuit-of-school-choice/2017/05/17/2a25a2cc-3a41-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html?utm_term=.e1ff2182d009
The Trump administration would dedicate no money to a fund for student support and academic enrichment that is meant to help schools pay for, among other things, mental-health services, anti-bullying initiatives, physical education, Advanced Placement courses and science and engineering instruction.

The administration is also seeking to overhaul key elements of federal financial aid. The spending proposal would maintain funding for Pell Grants for students in financial need, but it would eliminate more than $700 million in Perkins loans for disadvantaged students; nearly halve the work-study program that helps students work their way through school, cutting $490 million; take a first step toward ending subsidized loans, for which the government pays interest while the borrower is in school; and end loan forgiveness for public servants.
The administration also wants to replace five income-driven student loan repayment plans with a single plan.
That change would likely benefit many undergraduate borrowers, who currently can have the balance of their loan forgiven after paying 10 percent of their income for 20 years. Trump’s proposal — which makes good on a campaign promise — would raise the maximum payment to 12.5 percent of income, but shorten the payment period to 15 years.
The proposal is less sweet for borrowers who take out loans to earn advanced degrees. They currently pay monthly bills capped at 10 percent of income for 25 years. Under the new plan, they’d pay more (12.5 percent of income) for longer (30 years).
As someone who used the Perkins Loan to pay for my OSU degree, fuck that budget. As someone who knows people who have joined public service to assist with paying down their student debt, fuck that budget, and as someone who has student loans left from grad school, fuck that budget.
The budget is just throwing more debt on the backs of students. Way to make America great again....
May 19, 2017 12:31pm
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May 19, 2017 12:43 PM
sleeper;1853956 wrote:It was a witch hunt and you bought it. Sorry you don't like reality.
There was nothing to buy - that video story was clearly a crock of shit from the beginning. Much worse than anything you think Flynn did.
May 19, 2017 12:43pm
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May 19, 2017 12:52 PM
SportsAndLady;1853947 wrote:Dear god, please do not start with the "Fox is balanced news!" Bullshit.

Please fucking do not.
Independent research backs up that notion, even if we don't agree with it. They are not balanced, but they are far more balanced than MSNBC, and during the last presidency they were about as close to balance as CNN was, not it appears they are even more balanced than CNN.

Just going on the actual numbers and statistics, not my feelings/opinion.

I personally don't really watch any of the cable news networks, I flipped back and forth between the big 3 on election night for coverage but that is the last time I have had any of the 3 on my TV.
May 19, 2017 12:52pm
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May 19, 2017 1:04 PM
In my orbit if family/friends/colleagues/neighbors/etc., I find Fox News to have far more of influence on what people say and what they espouse to believe. I say this because it frequently happens that I will hear someone say something political or opinionated only to later find that message was exactly delivered by a Fox News program beforehand. I rarely see this when it comes to CNN, the New York Times, MSNBC, or whatever "left" news source you consider.

Now I am probably around people who are conservative by default, so this is not altogether surprising. But I can say for certain that over the past 15-20 years, the conservative talking points I hear from people on a day-to-day basis magically seem to line up with exactly what the Fox crowd happens to have chosen to discuss that day or the day before. In addition, the tone these people bring to political discussion has become darker and meaner in recent years - often similar to the tone of Bill O'Reilly or other outspoken Fox personalities.

This is the view in my world, admittedly not a cross section of all of society. However I would venture to guess that it is not an unusual observation in any way.
May 19, 2017 1:04pm
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May 19, 2017 1:25 PM
gut;1853961 wrote:There was nothing to buy - that video story was clearly a crock of shit from the beginning. Much worse than anything you think Flynn did.
gosh a ruddies, really. Flynn took a half million bucks from Turkey, Hid the fact. Then slowed an anti-isis measure Turkey opposed. That is pretty bad.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/flynn-delayed-anti-isis-plan-turkey-opposed-n761656
May 19, 2017 1:25pm
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May 19, 2017 1:29 PM
ptown_trojans_1;1853957 wrote:On another subject, Tuesday, Trump will roll out his FY18 budget (about 3 months late), but on Education, this fucking sucks:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/trumps-first-full-education-budget-deep-cuts-to-public-school-programs-in-pursuit-of-school-choice/2017/05/17/2a25a2cc-3a41-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html?utm_term=.e1ff2182d009
As someone who used the Perkins Loan to pay for my OSU degree, fuck that budget. As someone who knows people who have joined public service to assist with paying down their student debt, fuck that budget, and as someone who has student loans left from grad school, fuck that budget.
The budget is just throwing more debt on the backs of students. Way to make America great again....
Why should one student have to pay back their loans and not another student? How is that even remotely fair? If they both get jobs after their education is complete, don't they both have the ability at that point to pay down those loans?
I absolutely cannot approve of arbitrarily picking winners and losers with this.
The Trump administration would dedicate no money to a fund for student support and academic enrichment that is meant to help schools pay for, among other things, mental-health services, anti-bullying initiatives, physical education, Advanced Placement courses and science and engineering instruction.
I might be mistaken, but I think mental health issues would best be undertaken outside of school.
What specifically do they mean by anti-bullying initiatives, other than systems that were always in place?
The administration is also seeking to overhaul key elements of federal financial aid. The spending proposal would maintain funding for Pell Grants for students in financial need,
I'm not a fan of the Pell grants, because it re-asks my question of why is it ok for one student to go into debt but not another. But it's staying put so that should be status quo, I guess. Still not a fan, but whatever.
take a first step toward ending subsidized loans, for which the government pays interest while the borrower is in school; and end loan forgiveness for public servants.
I think the government needs to stop subsidizing. It's been proven, and even some reasonable democrats such as reluctantly Biden admit, that the more government subsidizes - the more the price of tuition goes up. So I'm ok with this.

Those are the points that stick out to me and mainly bug me, as it should everyone.
May 19, 2017 1:29pm
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May 19, 2017 1:35 PM
CenterBHSFan;1853976 wrote:Why should one student have to pay back their loans and not another student? How is that even remotely fair? If they both get jobs after their education is complete, don't they both have the ability at that point to pay down those loans?
I absolutely cannot approve of arbitrarily picking winners and losers with this.



I might be mistaken, but I think mental health issues would best be undertaken outside of school.
What specifically do they mean by anti-bullying initiatives, other than systems that were always in place?



I'm not a fan of the Pell grants, because it re-asks my question of why is it ok for one student to go into debt but not another. But it's staying put so that should be status quo, I guess. Still not a fan, but whatever.



I think the government needs to stop subsidizing. It's been proven, and even some reasonable democrats such as reluctantly Biden admit, that the more government subsidizes - the more the price of tuition goes up. So I'm ok with this.

Those are the points that stick out to me and mainly bug me, as it should everyone.
gosh a ruddies, just another of a long list of comments based on the self serving "I got mine, screw you" philosophy of reactionaries
May 19, 2017 1:35pm
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May 19, 2017 1:42 PM
isadore;1853979 wrote:gosh a ruddies, just another of a long list of comments based on the self serving "I got mine, screw you" philosophy of reactionaries
Why is it alright for one student to pay back loans but not another?
May 19, 2017 1:42pm
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May 19, 2017 1:58 PM
CenterBHSFan;1853985 wrote:Why is it alright for one student to pay back loans but not another?
gosh a ruddies as I have often stated at this site, I believe that free post secondary education should be available to any student who wants it.
May 19, 2017 1:58pm
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May 19, 2017 3:08 PM
ptown_trojans_1;1853953 wrote:On the flip side, the idea that everything is fine and Trump's agenda is just strolling along is horseshit. Even his supporters have got to admit, real or fake, the Russia stuff is not going away and has slowed his agenda.
Outside of deporting people and the Supreme Court, he has done jack shit.
The President is not helping his own cause either.
Wall: Not in budget.
Tax Reform: Dead so far
Healthcare: In Senate, but not even close to being written
Jobs: Meh, employment and wages are flat
Markets: Meh, took a nose dive the other day.
Obviously I beg to differ. Substantial progress is being made on economic growth; most businesses starting to report their optimism going forward and the capex numbers reflect that. The markets are up substantially since the election, and employment numbers are improving with many believing we may dip under 4% unemployment. While I still believe we do not count large numbers of the unemployed, the pace of hiring is indeed trending in the right direction. The rollback of regulations is well under way, and the appointment of highly qualified people to lead the agencies has occurred and will pay enormous benefits to the economy and The People. I just read a side-by-side comparison of the ACA vs new bill, and it contains many, many wins ............with more later. Tax reform will occur and will further augment growth. And of course, illegal border crossings have plummeted by over 60%. So far, so good, with of the exception of Trump saying/tweeting stuff from time to time that is not important.


Draining the swamp is not easy; the establishment, the dems, the deep state are going to fight with all they have to stop it; it will be ugly. But, it will be worth it.
May 19, 2017 3:08pm
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May 19, 2017 3:11 PM
isadore;1853979 wrote:gosh a ruddies, just another of a long list of comments based on the self serving "I got mine, screw you" philosophy of reactionaries
Or she would prefer a system where our dumbass government doesn't make it difficult for her offspring (and then theirs and so forth) to afford a college education..
May 19, 2017 3:11pm
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May 19, 2017 3:13 PM
Heretic;1853920 wrote:So basically, no one mainstream, including the conservative-aligned Fox News, really likes the job Trump is doing. Heh, that makes QQ's cherry-picking of "WINNING" stories even more humorous.

I post facts regarding economic growth optimism among the business sector given Trump's actions/plans to roll back regulations, reform taxes, whack obamaKare, ...............such as these items from just today:

[h=3]Philadelphia Fed: “Sharp Acceleration” In Mid-Atlantic Region Factory Activity In May.[/h]Reuters (5/18) reports that “the economy’s brightening prospects were further boosted by other data on Thursday showing a sharp acceleration in factory activity in the mid-Atlantic region in May as manufacturers reported a jump in goods shipments and more hours for workers.” Reuters adds, “In addition, a gauge of future U.S. economic activity rose again in April.” Reuters writes, “the Philadelphia Fed said its index for current manufacturing activity in the mid-Atlantic region jumped to a reading of 38.8 this month from 22.0 in April, recovering some of the declines of the previous two months.” RTT News (5/18) reports that the “unexpected increase...came amid a significant acceleration in the pace of shipment growth, as the shipments index jumped to 39.1 in May from 23.4 in April.”
[h=3]Column: Strong Manufacturing May Promote “Quite Decent” Economic Growth.[/h]In a column for Newsmax (5/18) Naroff Economic Advisors President Joel Naroff writes that “the Philadelphia Fed’s May reading of manufacturer activity in the MidAtlantic district points to continued gains,” and, “the strong performance does hint at good numbers around the nation.” Naroff adds, “The overall activity measure soared to one of its highest levels ever.” He writes that managers “are hopeful about the future, but are no longer irrationally exuberant.”
[h=3]Conference Board Leading US Economic Indicators Index Rose 0.3 Percent In April.[/h]RTT News (5/18) reports that the Conference Board released a report on Thursday that “showed that its index of leading U.S. economic indicators rose in line with economist estimates in the month of April.” The article quotes Conference Board Director of Business Cycles and Growth Research Ataman Ozyildirim saying, “The recent trend in the U.S. LEI, led by the positive outlook of consumers and financial markets, continues to point to a growing economy, perhaps even a cyclical pickup.”
[h=3]April Saw Biggest Monthly Jobs Gain In Minnesota Since 2013.[/h]The Minneapolis Star Tribune (5/18, Ramstad) reports that “Minnesota added 15,100 jobs in April, the most in a month since September 2013, amid a burst of hiring across most sectors of the economy.” The Star Tribune adds, “the breadth of hiring last month provided a huge burst in a state that has been averaging about 3,000 new jobs a month since the end of the recession in 2009.”

[h=2]Industry News[/h][h=3]LyondellBasell To Build Texas Polyethylene Plant.[/h]Powder Bulk Solids (5/18) reports that “Plastics and chemicals producer LyondellBasell broke ground on a high density polyethylene (HDPE) production plant at the firm’s La Porte, TX complex, the company announced Monday.” Powder Bulk Solids adds, “Scheduled for completion in 2019, the plant will have a production capacity of 1.1 billion lb/yr of HDPE and employ 75 permanent workers.” The article states that “LoyondellBasell said its 550-acre La Porte site, one of the firm’s largest manufacturing facilities, was chosen for the new plant because of its location near feedstocks and transportation infrastructure.”
[h=3]James Hardie To Build Alabama Manufacturing Plant.[/h]Alabama Live (5/18) reports that “Building materials company James Hardie announced this afternoon it will build a $220 million manufacturing plant in Prattville, which could be up and running by late next year.” Alabama Live adds, “Gov. Kay Ivey in an announcement at Prattville Marriott Conference Center said more than 200 jobs will result from the plant.” The article states that “Construction is set to begin this fall after site preparation and the plant could open by the later part of 2018.”
[h=3]Dutchland Plastics Adds 50 Manufacturing Jobs In Oostburg.[/h]USA Today (5/18) reports that “Poised for growth, Dutchland Plastics of Oostburg is adding 50 manufacturing positions as it continues to expand in the plastic molding industry.” USA Today adds, “Dutchland, which manufactures products such as Yeti coolers, NuCanoe boats and KI chairs, is the third largest contract rotational molder in the United States.” USA Today writes that “The company has more than doubled in revenue over the last three years and is poised to double again in the next three years.”
[h=3]Shaw Almex To Open New Production Facility In West Virginia.[/h]WSAZ-TV Huntington, WV (5/18) reports that “Shaw Almex, a corporation from Canada, has signed a long-term lease for a production and distribution facility with the Huntington Tri-State Airport authority.” WSAZ-TV adds, “The corporation says Huntington was chosen because of its close location to mining operations and its skilled workforce.” The article states that “Shaw Almex says they plan to hire 10-15 employee the first year and up to 25 employees the following year.”
[h=3]PACCAR To Build Texas Manufacturing Facility.[/h]The Dallas Morning News (5/18, Brown) reports that “A major truck manufacturer is eyeing McKinney for a new manufacturing plant.” The Dallas Morning News adds, “Seattle-based PACCAR Inc. has reached a preliminary agreement to build a 130,000-square-foot manufacturing facility in McKinney, the city’s economic development agency says.” The article further states that “The $20 million project will create about 200 jobs.”
[h=3]Kawasaki Opens New Nebraska Aerospace Division.[/h]The Omaha (NE) World-Herald (5/18, Gilinsky) reports that “Kawasaki Motors Manufacturing Corp. held a grand opening Thursday for its new Aerospace Division at the Lincoln Kawasaki factory.” The World-Herald adds, “The factory will produce cargo doors for Boeing’s 777X aircraft, a passenger plane set to debut in 2020.” The World-Herald also writes that “Kawasaki is developing and manufacturing forward and mid-fuselage panels, main landing gear wells, pressure bulkheads and cargo doors for the 777X.”
[h=3]Manufacturing Jobs Up Almost 3 Percent In Minnesota.[/h]The Mankato (MN) Free Press (5/18, Krohn) reports that “higher-paying manufacturing jobs were up nearly 3 percent” in the Mankato-North Mankato Metropolitan Statistical Area of Minnesota. The Free Press adds, “That continues a trend of more manufacturing jobs being added locally this year.”
May 19, 2017 3:13pm
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May 19, 2017 3:54 PM
Trump needs to find out who's leaking all this shit to the NYT and WaPo and give them the Seth Rich treatment, stat. :laugh:
May 19, 2017 3:54pm
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May 19, 2017 4:05 PM
QuakerOats;1853999 wrote:Obviously I beg to differ. Substantial progress is being made on economic growth;
There's hardly any progress on anything. That's the point of all the leaks and Russia stuff - this is how liberals are stopping any agenda that is not theirs. They're making Republican "obstruction" under Obama look like amateur hour.
May 19, 2017 4:05pm
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May 19, 2017 4:10 PM
fish82;1854011 wrote:Trump needs to find out who's leaking all this shit to the NYT and WaPo and give them the Seth Rich treatment, stat. :laugh:
Not directed specifically at you fish but your post just brings up the question. Is it possible for the leaks themselves and the information contained within to both be troubling? It seems like the left is 100% focused on the content and the right 100% focused on the fact it's happening (Recall the inverse of that during the Clinton email scandal).

Yes leaks are bad and worrisome. Yes what we're finding out from them is bad and worrisome. Right??? Again as someone who's not a on a party "team" this all just seems so damn ridiculous to me.
May 19, 2017 4:10pm
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May 19, 2017 4:26 PM
rocketalum;1854017 wrote: Yes leaks are bad and worrisome. Yes what we're finding out from them is bad and worrisome. Right??? Again as someone who's not a on a party "team" this all just seems so damn ridiculous to me.
My suspicion is there is a very mixed bag....content bad, leak bad, both....made-up, petty, trivial, alarming....And Trump enables most of this, because literally nothing with respect to him is unbelievable. But it's a constant barrage of unnamed sources making claims that haven't been proven and can't be disproven.

A lot I look at and it's not hard to imagine it's unusual per se, but the story is leaked and portrayed in such a way as to deliberately undermine the administration (whereas when this happens under previous administrations it's never leaked or just ignored).

But if the media doesn't tighten things up, then they won't have the credibility to make anything stick.
May 19, 2017 4:26pm
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May 19, 2017 4:27 PM
rocketalum;1854017 wrote:Not directed specifically at you fish but your post just brings up the question. Is it possible for the leaks themselves and the information contained within to both be troubling? It seems like the left is 100% focused on the content and the right 100% focused on the fact it's happening (Recall the inverse of that during the Clinton email scandal).

Yes leaks are bad and worrisome. Yes what we're finding out from them is bad and worrisome. Right??? Again as someone who's not a on a party "team" this all just seems so damn ridiculous to me.
If it turns out to be true, it would be a troubling statement. That said, I'm pretty confident that many similar exchanges have taken place behind closed doors in the Oval Office over the years that we're kept in the room. I personally can't recall this many unsubstantiated leaks this early in previous administrations.

Trump has obviously managed to hire a couple of pretty disloyal people, who need to go away if he's to have a shot at success.
May 19, 2017 4:27pm
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May 19, 2017 4:43 PM
gut;1854015 wrote:There's hardly any progress on anything. That's the point of all the leaks and Russia stuff - this is how liberals are stopping any agenda that is not theirs. They're making Republican "obstruction" under Obama look like amateur hour.

If you thought tax reform was going to occur in the first 100 days, then maybe you are right. Otherwise, you have your head buried in the sand ..................there has been very substantial progress on a number of fronts, especially if you are in industry. Not only is the rollback of regulations a victory, merely stopping the continuous onslaught of new regs on mfg's is a major win. Hell, we were getting assaulted every week with new, and asinine, regulations and rules handed down by the Marxist czars; now it feels like being on vacation; no longer is my inbox flooded with updates of new, idiotic rules and regulations.

TPP dead. Nafta negotiations opened up. Illegal border crossings down 60%. obamaKare relief on the way. Another conservative on the Supreme Court. Actual business people in charge of agencies. EPA getting the beatdown it deserves. Tax relief and repatriation on the way. Regulations rolled back under CRA.

Much more to do, but at least we have a chance now.

Obviously the left, which is completely devoid of ideas, has only Russianoia to go to in hopes of derailing true progress. They will fail, just like they and their policies always do in the end.
May 19, 2017 4:43pm
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May 22, 2017 3:54 PM
https://www.apnews.com/ec0a972dcff348c48a25ea23033e4f24/AP-Source:-Michael-Flynn-to-decline-Senate-Intel-committee-subpoena,-invoke-5th-Amendment-later-today
WASHINGTON (AP) — AP Source: Michael Flynn to decline Senate Intel committee subpoena, invoke 5th Amendment later today.
Jesus, seems like a lot of effort to go through just for starting your work early.

I'm sure gut will quadruple down on this sometime later today.
May 22, 2017 3:54pm
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May 22, 2017 3:59 PM
sleeper;1854410 wrote:https://www.apnews.com/ec0a972dcff348c48a25ea23033e4f24/AP-Source:-Michael-Flynn-to-decline-Senate-Intel-committee-subpoena,-invoke-5th-Amendment-later-today

Jesus, seems like a lot of effort to go through just for starting your work early.

I'm sure gut will quadruple down on this sometime later today.

It's like the third or fourth time you've brought this up, and it's already been explained. Not sure why you think repeating yourself is going to yield a different answer.
May 22, 2017 3:59pm
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May 22, 2017 4:36 PM
gut;1854414 wrote:It's like the third or fourth time you've brought this up, and it's already been explained. Not sure why you think repeating yourself is going to yield a different answer.
And I'll continue to bring it up because you were flat wrong on reality and you won't admit it. Enjoy!
May 22, 2017 4:36pm
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May 22, 2017 8:56 PM
sleeper;1854419 wrote:And I'll continue to bring it up because you were flat wrong on reality and you won't admit it. Enjoy!
LOL, no. I already explained it. You seem to struggle with basic reading comprehension, or your girlfriend does. Or both.
May 22, 2017 8:56pm
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May 23, 2017 12:37 PM
Trump visited the Holocaust Memorial today and wrote the following in the guestbook:
It is a great honor to be here with all of my friends - so amazing + will never forget!
Compared to Obama when he visited:
I am grateful to Yad Vashem and all of those responsible for this remarkable institution,” he wrote. “At a time of great peril and promise, war and strife, we are blessed to have such a powerful reminder of man’s potential for great evil, but also our capacity to rise up from tragedy and remake our world. Let our children come here, and know this history, so that they can add their voices to proclaim ‘never again.’ And may we remember those who perished, not only as victims, but also as individuals who helped and loved and dreamed like us, and who have become symbols of the human spirit.
The contrast is stunning. Absolutely embarrassed to be an American right now.
May 23, 2017 12:37pm
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May 23, 2017 12:55 PM
sleeper;1854579 wrote:The contrast is stunning.
I don't believe you find this stunning at all. What Trump wrote is consistent with what you already know about him - there's no "there" there. What he wrote - that's all he's got. I really don't believe you thought he'd pen something profound, did you?

I can only imagine what he's saying to these leaders this week.
May 23, 2017 12:55pm