Disgusted with Trump administration - Part I

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May 18, 2017 12:16 PM
O-Trap;1853789 wrote: Clinton has demonstrated more willingness to legislate to limit corporate influence?
Always able to figure out a way to line her pockets, with speech fees and charitable contributions drying up she's now launched a Super Pac.
May 18, 2017 12:16pm
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May 18, 2017 12:37 PM
O-Trap;1853789 wrote:The nation is owed a vote? Fine. I voted for what was best for the nation. Sorry you don't like it and think I helped keep American in the frying pan by not voting to jump in the fire.

Clinton has demonstrated more willingness to legislate to limit corporate influence?

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/927



Yep.

QO:Obama::isadore:Trump
gosh a ruddies by not voting for Hillary you have helped bring about this shit storm.
CLINTON: I went to Wall Street before the crash. I was the one saying you're going to wreck the economy because of these shenanigans with mortgages. I called to end the carried interest loophole that hedge fund managers enjoy. I proposed changes in CEO compensation. I called for a consumer protection financial bureau.
Clinton: So let's have paid family leave, earned sick days. Let's be sure we have affordable child care and debt-free college. How are we going to do it? We're going to do it by having the wealthy pay their fair share and close the corporate loopholes. When I was a senator, I did vote to close corporate loopholes. I voted to close one of the loopholes Trump took advantage of when he claimed a billion-dollar loss that enabled him to avoid paying taxes
Clinton: Trump's] plan will give the wealthy and corporations the biggest tax cuts they've ever had, more than the Bush tax cuts by at least a factor of two. The way that he talks about his tax cuts would end up raising taxes on middle-class families, millions of middle-class families.
May 18, 2017 12:37pm
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May 18, 2017 1:18 PM
isadore;1853794 wrote:gosh a ruddies by not voting for Hillary you have helped bring about this shit storm.
CLINTON: I went to Wall Street before the crash.
Of course she did. She and Billy were there frequently getting paid hundreds of thousands for speeches.
May 18, 2017 1:18pm
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May 18, 2017 2:46 PM
gut;1853811 wrote:Of course she did. She and Billy were there frequently getting paid hundreds of thousands for speeches.
gosh a ruddies, no quid pro quo.
May 18, 2017 2:46pm
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May 18, 2017 3:08 PM
isadore;1853733 wrote:From the security stand point, Hillary is a serious person
LOL!
May 18, 2017 3:08pm
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May 18, 2017 3:43 PM
Looks like Flynn isn't going to cooperate with the Congressional subpoena.

Seems like a lot of hassle if you just started your job a bit earlier than normally allowed.

How many more times is the Fox News contingent going to triple down on that BS narrative?
May 18, 2017 3:43pm
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May 19, 2017 4:28 AM
sleeper;1853843 wrote:Looks like Flynn isn't going to cooperate with the Congressional subpoena.

Seems like a lot of hassle if you just started your job a bit earlier than normally allowed.

How many more times is the Fox News contingent going to triple down on that BS narrative?
I think you know more about what is going on at FOX news than anybody else...
May 19, 2017 4:28am
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May 19, 2017 5:19 AM
sleeper;1853843 wrote:Looks like Flynn isn't going to cooperate with the Congressional subpoena.
That's pretty standard. You remember, 5 Hillary associates got immunity deals, and Lois Lerner also took the fifth in the IRS deal.

And I'm sorry, but Democrats like Feinstein and other have said over and over they have seen no evidence of collusion or a crime. Even Pelosi has said they don't have anything for impeachment. This isn't Fox News, these are the words coming out of their mouths on TV.

Sounds like you need to start actually reading some real news, instead of getting everything you know secondhand from HuffPo via your girlfriend.
May 19, 2017 5:19am
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May 19, 2017 10:39 AM
So basically, no one mainstream, including the conservative-aligned Fox News, really likes the job Trump is doing. Heh, that makes QQ's cherry-picking of "WINNING" stories even more humorous.
May 19, 2017 10:39am
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May 19, 2017 11:05 AM
As far as the special prosecutor, I'm actually glad that there is one now. It's high time to get to the bottom of things once and for all. Whatever the result, it will be the only way to get rid of all the drama.

What I did find rather interesting was that Pelosi pretty much said that no matter what the SP came up with (meaning if he couldn't find anything) that she and others wouldn't accept it and would call for another committee to do another investigation. This is very telling. Because she's admitting now that her hatred and zealotry has, or would have, nothing to do with facts. She and others hate Trump and that's all there is to it. They still can't get over the fact that Hillary didn't win.
But that's alright, too. Because if it plays out that Trump didn't do anything wrong (or even one of his staffers) and they push on with this, they are just ensuring that democrats will continue to be slaughtered at the voting box.

I would have thought that somebody within the dem party in DC would have come up with a better gameplan than this /facepalm
May 19, 2017 11:05am
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May 19, 2017 11:13 AM
CenterBHSFan;1853926 wrote:As far as the special prosecutor, I'm actually glad that there is one now. It's high time to get to the bottom of things once and for all. Whatever the result, it will be the only way to get rid of all the drama.

What I did find rather interesting was that Pelosi pretty much said that no matter what the SP came up with (meaning if he couldn't find anything) that she and others wouldn't accept it and would call for another committee to do another investigation. This is very telling. Because she's admitting now that her hatred and zealotry has, or would have, nothing to do with facts. She and others hate Trump and that's all there is to it. They still can't get over the fact that Hillary didn't win.
But that's alright, too. Because if it plays out that Trump didn't do anything wrong (or even one of his staffers) and they push on with this, they are just ensuring that democrats will continue to be slaughtered at the voting box.

I would have thought that somebody within the dem party in DC would have come up with a better gameplan than this /facepalm
Curious as to your thoughts on the Benghazi and Buttery males investigations that never ended. Same as above?
May 19, 2017 11:13am
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May 19, 2017 11:13 AM
CenterBHSFan;1853926 wrote: I would have thought that somebody within the dem party in DC would have come up with a better gameplan than this /facepalm
It's been really funny watching the Dems and their sycophantic media - after whining about Repubs and Fox News for 8 years - basically be unapologetically 10X worse with Trump.

No one should have a shred of doubt or question who the uncompromising and uber-partisan party in Washington is.
May 19, 2017 11:13am
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May 19, 2017 11:16 AM
gut;1853929 wrote:It's been really funny watching the Dems and their sycophantic media - after whining about Repubs and Fox News for 8 years - basically be unapologetically 10X worse with Trump.

No one should have a shred of doubt or question who the uncompromising and uber-partisan party in Washington is.
Maybe because Trump IS 10x worse?
May 19, 2017 11:16am
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May 19, 2017 11:18 AM
sleeper;1853928 wrote:Curious as to your thoughts on the Benghazi and Buttery males investigations that never ended. Same as above?
Kinda. Because the republicans couldn't come up with a better plan either. Which is why the dems should have paid attention if they truly want to make a difference. Learn from others' mistakes. Don't repeat them.
But they didn't learn. They are repeating the mistakes.

Dumbasses.
May 19, 2017 11:18am
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May 19, 2017 11:29 AM
CenterBHSFan;1853934 wrote:Kinda. Because the republicans couldn't come up with a better plan either. Which is why the dems should have paid attention if they truly want to make a difference. Learn from others' mistakes. Don't repeat them.
But they didn't learn. They are repeating the mistakes.

Dumbasses.
I appreciate the consistency in applying your logic to both parties. However, you are entirely relying on the assumption that the Russia/Trump investigation is unfounded. If Pelosi continues to the investigation after the SP comes back with no charges, that would be the equivalent and would be wrong.
May 19, 2017 11:29am
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May 19, 2017 11:55 AM
sleeper;1853936 wrote:I appreciate the consistency in applying your logic to both parties. However, you are entirely relying on the assumption that the Russia/Trump investigation is unfounded. If Pelosi continues to the investigation after the SP comes back with no charges, that would be the equivalent and would be wrong.
I certainly AM relying on that assumption. Because of what Pelosi said. The SP has been given the green light on pretty much all facets of the coming investigation. He has all the rights, already. If nothing can be found, what would the point be in having yet another committee formed to proceed with another investigation? If nothing is found and/or can be prosecuted/impeached/whatever, at that point there is absolutely no basis for doing another investigation. What would they hope to find that a SP, and all the resources given to him, couldn't find? The driving force could only be chicanery and rage.
As I've said, they would be dumbasses at that point with the single goal of self-destruction.
May 19, 2017 11:55am
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May 19, 2017 11:57 AM
The liberal democrat/progressive aka Marxist meltdown is a thing to behold. The meteoric rise of Russianoia becoming highly symptomatic of TDS. The wailing and gnashing of teeth.




Carry on.
May 19, 2017 11:57am
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May 19, 2017 12:03 PM
Heretic;1853920 wrote:So basically, no one mainstream, including the conservative-aligned Fox News, really likes the job Trump is doing. Heh, that makes QQ's cherry-picking of "WINNING" stories even more humorous.
Or, possibly, Fox is more balanced than many would have you think.

I can't find the research now, but a similar story was written back in 2009 about Obama's coverage, and Fox News was the only one close to 50/50 on Obama (slightly negative, maybe it was 55/45 negative) while the others (CNN/MSNBC/etc) were much more "positive" for Obama.

Going off memory CNN may have been like 60/40 while MSNBC was of course like 95/5 positive.

So, with both President's Fox News was the closest to 50/50 coverage among the top 3 or 4 cable news networks.
May 19, 2017 12:03pm
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May 19, 2017 12:13 PM
sleeper;1853936 wrote: If Pelosi continues to the investigation after the SP comes back with no charges, that would be the equivalent and would be wrong.
Not exactly, because they DID cover up Benghazi with that lie about the videos, and even threw a patsy in jail for it.
May 19, 2017 12:13pm
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May 19, 2017 12:13 PM
jmog;1853944 wrote:Or, possibly, Fox is more balanced than many would have you think.

I can't find the research now, but a similar story was written back in 2009 about Obama's coverage, and Fox News was the only one close to 50/50 on Obama (slightly negative, maybe it was 55/45 negative) while the others (CNN/MSNBC/etc) were much more "positive" for Obama.

Going off memory CNN may have been like 60/40 while MSNBC was of course like 95/5 positive.

So, with both President's Fox News was the closest to 50/50 coverage among the top 3 or 4 cable news networks.
Dear god, please do not start with the "Fox is balanced news!" Bullshit.

Please fucking do not.
May 19, 2017 12:13pm
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May 19, 2017 12:17 PM
gut;1853946 wrote:Not exactly, because they DID cover up Benghazi with that lie about the videos, and even threw a patsy in jail for it.
Who's they and for what reason did they cover up the Benghazi attacks?

It was a Republican witch hunt along with the emails to win over ignorant voters. It worked and you bought it.
May 19, 2017 12:17pm
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May 19, 2017 12:20 PM
QuakerOats;1853942 wrote:The liberal democrat/progressive aka Marxist meltdown is a thing to behold. The meteoric rise of Russianoia becoming highly symptomatic of TDS. The wailing and gnashing of teeth.




Carry on.
On the flip side, the idea that everything is fine and Trump's agenda is just strolling along is horseshit. Even his supporters have got to admit, real or fake, the Russia stuff is not going away and has slowed his agenda.
Outside of deporting people and the Supreme Court, he has done jack shit.
The President is not helping his own cause either.
Wall: Not in budget.
Tax Reform: Dead so far
Healthcare: In Senate, but not even close to being written
Jobs: Meh, employment and wages are flat
Markets: Meh, took a nose dive the other day.
May 19, 2017 12:20pm
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May 19, 2017 12:25 PM
sleeper;1853950 wrote: It was a Republican witch hunt along with the emails to win over ignorant voters. It worked and you bought it.
No, it was the lying Susan Rice with her manufactured talking points from Hillary and Obama.
May 19, 2017 12:25pm