TBone14
Posts: 6,383
Oct 27, 2016 10:28am
I think 30% is very high. If you were in like 182...I could see why you would have felt it was more. There were a bunch of Cubs fans in that section. I was in 183 noted many Cubs fans in 182.HitsRus;1819079 wrote:Hendricks I believe had the lowest E.R.A. in the NL....yeah, on most teams he is a #1.
At the stadium last night, the place was filled with Cubs fans...maybe as much as 30%. I sat in my season seats and was surrounded by them.
The dude next to me said he and his buddy's paid $5600 for their 4 bleacher seats.....it was a deal in their opinion 'cause the tickets for games at Wrigley are going for $6K.
he said, "man, it been a hundred years".
It was probably closer to 10% but when the 10% of the fans are the only ones making any noise...it can feel like more.
TBone14
Posts: 6,383
Oct 27, 2016 10:35am
Got home at 2:30 this morning. Tribe got killed. Almost got no-hit. It was cold and I would go back and do it all again to take in a World Series game. Worth the price...even considering the outcome.
I thought Bauer did a fantastic job of keeping the Tribe fans out of the game. You can only get ramped up for so many 2 strikes pitches. He couldn't put anybody away...hell...nobody could last night. Credit the Cubs, they spoiled so many 2 strike pitches. Some really tremendous at bats.
Considering Bauer didn't have anything near his best stuff...he didn't kill us giving up 2 runs. Bullpen needed to keep us in it and they couldn't. That's a lot different game in the 7th, 8th and 9th if it's 2-1 or 3-1 and not 5-1.
I thought Bauer did a fantastic job of keeping the Tribe fans out of the game. You can only get ramped up for so many 2 strikes pitches. He couldn't put anybody away...hell...nobody could last night. Credit the Cubs, they spoiled so many 2 strike pitches. Some really tremendous at bats.
Considering Bauer didn't have anything near his best stuff...he didn't kill us giving up 2 runs. Bullpen needed to keep us in it and they couldn't. That's a lot different game in the 7th, 8th and 9th if it's 2-1 or 3-1 and not 5-1.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Oct 27, 2016 10:36am
vball10set;1818960 wrote:My question was rhetorical, but you are correct, sir
I was in 181 down low in my season seats!....I felt like I was in someone else's park and I was the visitor.TBone14;1819094 wrote:I think 30% is very high. If you were like 182...I could see why you would have felt it was more. There were a bunch of Cubs fans in that section. I was in 183 noted many Cubs fans in 182.
It was probably closer to 10% but when the 10% of the fans are the only ones making any noise...it can feel like more.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 27, 2016 10:38am
What about the bats? That was more egregious to me than the pitching which we knew would take somewhat of a drop off with Bauer compared to Kluber. 6 runs in Game 1 to 1 in Game 2?TBone14;1819099 wrote:Got in at 2:30 last night. Tribe got killed. Almost got no-hit. It was cold and I would go back and do it all again to take in a World Series game. Worth the price...even considering the outcome.
I thought Bauer did a fantastic job of keeping the Tribe fans out of the game. You can only get ramped up for so many 2 strikes pitches. He couldn't put anybody away...hell...nobody could last night. Credit the Cubs, they spoiled so many 2 strike pitches. Some really tremendous at bats.
Considering Bauer didn't have anything near his best stuff...he didn't kill us giving up 2 runs. Bullpen needed to keep us in it and they couldn't. That's a lot different game in the 7th, 8th and 9th if it's 2-1 or 3-1 and not 5-1.
Need the bats.
Benny The Jet
Posts: 2,987
Oct 27, 2016 11:06am
Holy Kyle Schwarber overload today...good grief. You'd think he cured cancer or something
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Oct 27, 2016 11:12am
pretty spot on with that analysis.... I'll add that we came up short defensively, and that cost us at least 2 runs.TBone14;1819099 wrote:Got home at 2:30 this morning. Tribe got killed. Almost got no-hit. It was cold and I would go back and do it all again to take in a World Series game. Worth the price...even considering the outcome.
I thought Bauer did a fantastic job of keeping the Tribe fans out of the game. You can only get ramped up for so many 2 strikes pitches. He couldn't put anybody away...hell...nobody could last night. Credit the Cubs, they spoiled so many 2 strike pitches. Some really tremendous at bats.
Considering Bauer didn't have anything near his best stuff...he didn't kill us giving up 2 runs. Bullpen needed to keep us in it and they couldn't. That's a lot different game in the 7th, 8th and 9th if it's 2-1 or 3-1 and not 5-1.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Oct 27, 2016 11:16am
vball10set;1819072 wrote:The national media's slobbering all over Schwarber is nauseating. It's cool he hasn't played all season and has three hits, but come on (Zobrist is the one killing the Tribe). It's well documented how inconsistent he is, so let's see if his hot bat continues (providing he can even play the outfield in Chicago) before we give him the 'MVP of the series' award...good lord.
#GOTRIBE
yupBenny The Jet;1819113 wrote:Holy Kyle Schwarber overload today...good grief. You'd think he cured cancer or something
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Oct 27, 2016 11:23am
They like to create the story with in the story. If the Indians pitcher hurled a brilliant game with that finger in stitches he would be getting the curt schilling bloody sock treatment.vball10set;1819072 wrote:The national media's slobbering all over Schwarber is nauseating. It's cool he hasn't played all season and has three hits, but come on (Zobrist is the one killing the Tribe). It's well documented how inconsistent he is, so let's see if his hot bat continues (providing he can even play the outfield in Chicago) before we give him the 'MVP of the series' award...good lord.
#GOTRIBE
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Oct 27, 2016 11:24am
yeah, we all don't want to be Kipnises this morning-lolHitsRus;1819114 wrote: I'll add that we came up short defensively, and that cost us at least 2 runs.
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jedbartlet02
Posts: 178
Oct 27, 2016 11:36am
IMO...
Game 3 is another must win for Chicago. Can't let the Indians get the Kluber up 2-1
Game 3 is another must win for Chicago. Can't let the Indians get the Kluber up 2-1
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Oct 27, 2016 12:01pm
Yep. All the pressure is on Chicago in this one. And who knows how Hendricks will perform. He's never been here before, at least I don't believe.jedbartlet02;1819120 wrote:IMO...
Game 3 is another must win for Chicago. Can't let the Indians get the Kluber up 2-1
Wrigley will be rocking.
TBone14
Posts: 6,383
Oct 27, 2016 12:35pm
I don't know who Dieter Kurtenbach is...but if you interested in one of the most hilariously one-side articles you'll read...check this one out. I'm surprised Fox Sports ran it...not because it's one-sided...but because the prose sounds like a 2nd year Journalism student wrote it.
http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-score-cleveland-indians-world-series-2016-highlights-box-stats-game-2-game-3-wrigley-field-tickets-video-column-102616
http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-cubs-score-cleveland-indians-world-series-2016-highlights-box-stats-game-2-game-3-wrigley-field-tickets-video-column-102616
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Oct 27, 2016 12:36pm
The thing about Tomlin that will benefit him will be the cubs are very patient hitters. So he should be able to get ahead of the count a lot
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SnotBubbles
Posts: 4,492
Oct 27, 2016 12:58pm
Call me crazy, but I'm not afraid to face Kluber the second time around. Do I think they rock him? No. Do I think he'll pitch remotely as well as he did in Game 1? Also, no. The Cubs are pretty decent when facing a guy for the second time, no matter how good his stuff is.
There is plenty of pressure on both teams in Game 3.
There is plenty of pressure on both teams in Game 3.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Oct 27, 2016 1:19pm
From 2014-16, there were 156 MLB pitchers with 250+ innings pitched. Josh Tomlin ranked 132nd in FIP, 46th in xFIP, 118th in OPS allowed. That's like a nice 5th pitcher, game 3 of the WS against the Cubs? YIKES.
Again, I really think our best chance at a W outside of Klubot was to roll the dice with Salazar and hope we get April-June sub 3, 1 million K Salazar, and not the post All Star version. With a month off I think it's more likely an all star caliber pitcher can pitch well then Josh fucking Tomlin. Klubot on short rest, not a fan of that either. Call me a reverse jinx-er or whatever you want but legit don't think the Tribe have the horses to get this done. Also game 3 is going to be fucking nuts in Chicago, I don't think the tribe win in that atmosphere with Nolan Ryan on the mound.
Again, I really think our best chance at a W outside of Klubot was to roll the dice with Salazar and hope we get April-June sub 3, 1 million K Salazar, and not the post All Star version. With a month off I think it's more likely an all star caliber pitcher can pitch well then Josh fucking Tomlin. Klubot on short rest, not a fan of that either. Call me a reverse jinx-er or whatever you want but legit don't think the Tribe have the horses to get this done. Also game 3 is going to be fucking nuts in Chicago, I don't think the tribe win in that atmosphere with Nolan Ryan on the mound.
TBone14
Posts: 6,383
Oct 27, 2016 1:26pm
I agree with you. That was an all-time performance Game 1. Impossible to top...and extremely difficult to even match.SnotBubbles;1819147 wrote:Call me crazy, but I'm not afraid to face Kluber the second time around. Do I think they rock him? No. Do I think he'll pitch remotely as well as he did in Game 1? Also, no. The Cubs are pretty decent when facing a guy for the second time, no matter how good his stuff is.
There is plenty of pressure on both teams in Game 3.
Everything I am hearing and reading goes like this, "The Indians just need to find a way to win 1 of the 3 remaining non-Kluber starts and they'll be good." Well...what if Kluber is slightly off one game? He was slightly off game 4 on 3 days rest vs Toronto.
Also, Tomlin has been pretty damn good. This one won't go like last night. If the Cubs don't want to swing early in the count...they better be prepared to hit behind in the count and with 2 strikes. Tomlin's not going to let them walk him to death. They might swat a couple balls onto Sheffield Ave but he's not going to walk guys.
Tomlin's last 6 starts...earned runs allowed. 1,1,1,2,2,1. Hendricks has been solid over that stretch too. Should be a good game.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Oct 27, 2016 1:34pm
Tomlin sucks, and his night will come back to his average.TBone14;1819155 wrote:I agree with you. That was an all-time performance Game 1. Impossible to top...and extremely difficult to even match.
Everything I am hearing and reading goes like this, "The Indians just need to find a way to win 1 of the 3 remaining non-Kluber starts and they'll be good." Well...what if Kluber is slightly off one game? He was slightly off game 4 on 3 days rest vs Toronto.
Also, Tomlin has been pretty damn good. This one won't go like last night. If the Cubs don't want to swing early in the count...they better be prepared to hit behind in the count and with 2 strikes. Tomlin's not going to let them walk him to death. They might swat a couple balls onto Sheffield Ave but he's not going to walk guys.
Tomlin's last 6 starts...earned runs allowed. 1,1,1,2,2,1. Hendricks has been solid over that stretch too. Should be a good game.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Oct 27, 2016 1:53pm
I don't understand the hate for Tomlin...the guy has had a solid year with the exception of one month in August. I'll take the mental strength of Tomlin in a big game over a guy with better stuff but loses execution when the pressure is on.
Josh Tomlin will keep the Tribe in the game, but we are going to have to have a better offensive and defensive performance than last nite.
Josh Tomlin will keep the Tribe in the game, but we are going to have to have a better offensive and defensive performance than last nite.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Oct 27, 2016 1:53pm
I take full responsibility for last nights loss. I will not be in attendance for anymore games so...you're welcome in advance.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Oct 27, 2016 2:04pm
The hate is over his career he's an avg pitcher at best and it sucks we have to start him in a pivotal game in the World Series.HitsRus;1819168 wrote:I don't understand the hate for Tomlin...the guy has had a solid year with the exception of one month in August. I'll take the mental strength of Tomlin in a big game over a guy with better stuff but loses execution when the pressure is on.
Josh Tomlin will keep the Tribe in the game, but we are going to have to have a better offensive and defensive performance than last nite.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 27, 2016 2:04pm
I'd like to see Ryan Merritt pitch game 5. I think he's a solid pitcher who the Cubs have never seen.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Oct 27, 2016 2:07pm
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Oct 27, 2016 2:09pm
IMO, we'll need to score at least five runs for JT to pitch us to a W tomorrow night--anything less and we'll get beat
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Oct 27, 2016 2:13pm
excellent, thanks..and reps
TBone14
Posts: 6,383
Oct 27, 2016 2:24pm
I can't tell if this is your, "I expect a sweep. The pitching sucks and the bats have gone silent." Or if you really have no faith in Tomlin.Commander of Awesome;1819160 wrote:Tomlin sucks, and his night will come back to his average.
The fact is...we don't have a choice. Nobody wanted Bauer to start last night. We all wanted Cookie to start that game. Nobody wants want Josh Tomlin to start this game. We all want a healthy Danny Salazar to pitch. Unfortunately, that's not the case. We have a shell of Danny and no Cookie.
So Tomlin is our guy tomorrow. He might just have the right combination of junk balls and location to keep them off balance for 5 innings. I sure hope so.