Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Oct 24, 2016 2:25pm
Pretty boring, but oh well.Benny The Jet;1818248 wrote:Kenny and Carlos for 1st pitches. I like it.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Oct 24, 2016 2:32pm
Yep, when they said it would be big/surprising these are exactly the 2 guys you would not expect, as they've brought them back multiple times previously.Fab4Runner;1818252 wrote:Pretty boring, but oh well.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 24, 2016 2:32pm
Not a fan of Carlos but Lofton was an easy choice.
Lofton may be the most notable Indians player of all-time and certainly the best lead off man to ever play for the Indians in the 90's.
Lofton may be the most notable Indians player of all-time and certainly the best lead off man to ever play for the Indians in the 90's.
Benny The Jet
Posts: 2,987
Oct 24, 2016 2:34pm
I get the Sheen thing...no way they'd wanna associate with that I'd assume. Belle would have been great, but I've gotta assume it'd be hard to pry him from whatever rock he's been hiding under since retirement. Dude hated being the focal point...can't remember many if any events he's ever been to. Not many other options out there. I loved Kenny.Commander of Awesome;1818249 wrote:I actually hate it. Should have been Sheen and Belle. Total fail.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Oct 24, 2016 2:40pm
Belle has worked his way back into the fold with the team recently, he was at Spring Training in recent years, and was back for the HOF last year. I wouldn't be surprised if they used him if it goes 6 or 7
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Oct 24, 2016 2:48pm
I don't care who throws out the first pitch...just win, baby.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Oct 24, 2016 2:48pm
Best lead off man to ever play for the Indians in the 90s on Sundays?sleeper;1818256 wrote:
Lofton may be the most notable Indians player of all-time and certainly the best lead off man to ever play for the Indians in the 90's.
Since we are being extremely specific.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 24, 2016 2:55pm
He certainly is up there.jmog;1818264 wrote:Best lead off man to ever play for the Indians in the 90s on Sundays?
Since we are being extremely specific.
I would have like to see Visquel over Carlos.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Oct 24, 2016 2:57pm
Omar Vizquel and Kenny Lofton are my 2 favorite Indians of all time.
Lofton is by far the best lead off and centerfielder the Indians have ever had, not just in the 90s.
Omar is not only their best SS ever but possibly the best SS of all time (debatable between him and Ozzie Smith).
Lofton is by far the best lead off and centerfielder the Indians have ever had, not just in the 90s.
Omar is not only their best SS ever but possibly the best SS of all time (debatable between him and Ozzie Smith).
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Oct 24, 2016 3:03pm
No real debate....Ozzie isnt the best SS of all time either.........he had the flash and flare...but not the best SS of all time....jmog;1818267 wrote:Omar Vizquel and Kenny Lofton are my 2 favorite Indians of all time.
Lofton is by far the best lead off and centerfielder the Indians have ever had, not just in the 90s.
Omar is not only their best SS ever but possibly the best SS of all time (debatable between him and Ozzie Smith).
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jedbartlet02
Posts: 178
Oct 24, 2016 3:10pm
Cubs in 6
Going to be a great series.....but the Cubs offense is firing on all cylinders now.
Going to be a great series.....but the Cubs offense is firing on all cylinders now.
Benny The Jet
Posts: 2,987
Oct 24, 2016 3:12pm
I didn't realize that. Glad to know he's getting back in the fold...now I wish he would have been thrown it out. My favorite was the story of (can't remember the reliever) climbing through the vents to go get his bat back from the umpire's locker room they took because they thought it was corked. Man, the 90's Indians were awesome.ts1227;1818259 wrote:Belle has worked his way back into the fold with the team recently, he was at Spring Training in recent years, and was back for the HOF last year. I wouldn't be surprised if they used him if it goes 6 or 7
TBone14
Posts: 6,383
Oct 24, 2016 3:14pm
No surprise- Lester gets the nod vs Kluber game 1.
Cubs are -200 for the series.
Haven't seen a line yet for Game 1.
Cubs are -200 for the series.
Haven't seen a line yet for Game 1.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 24, 2016 3:20pm
Same here.jmog;1818267 wrote:Omar Vizquel and Kenny Lofton are my 2 favorite Indians of all time.
Lofton is by far the best lead off and centerfielder the Indians have ever had, not just in the 90s.
Omar is not only their best SS ever but possibly the best SS of all time (debatable between him and Ozzie Smith).
Except for Omar being the best SS of all time.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Oct 24, 2016 3:23pm
Belle skipped his own HoF induction into the Indians HoF (granted, he says he had the family vacation planned well in advance). He is on better terms, but not great.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Oct 24, 2016 3:50pm
Tribe!
BRF
Posts: 8,748
Oct 24, 2016 3:57pm
Jason Grimsley.Benny The Jet;1818272 wrote:My favorite was the story of (can't remember the reliever) climbing through the vents to go get his bat back from the umpire's locker room they took because they thought it was corked.
My favorite Belle story is the one where a fan was heckling him calling him Joey and Belle fired a bb into the stands and nailed the guy in the chest.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Oct 24, 2016 4:09pm
Who is obviously better? Maybe a couple could be named that are comparable but none really that are obviously better.sleeper;1818275 wrote:Same here.
Except for Omar being the best SS of all time.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Oct 24, 2016 4:10pm
I still love the de-cleating he put on Fernando Vina.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 24, 2016 4:11pm
Jeter and Ripkin Jr. come to mind.jmog;1818293 wrote:Who is obviously better? Maybe a couple could be named that are comparable but none really that are obviously better.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Oct 24, 2016 4:22pm
Shortstop is a fielding position (as is CF).sleeper;1818295 wrote:Jeter and Ripkin Jr. come to mind.
Omar has the highest fielding % of all time for all SS (not including current players).
Ripken is 7th, Jeter is like 22nd.
Gold Gloves:
Ozzie 13
Omar 11
Jeter 5
Ripken 2
Ripken was a great player and one of my favorites all time, but he is known for his longevity not for his defensive abilities.
Jeter could never beat out Omar and didn't get his first GG until Omar went to the NL.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Oct 24, 2016 4:43pm
Last time I checked SS's also batted. If you want to just go on fielding percentage you need to go to 14th to find the first HoFer...Ripken. Cal is the highest Fielding percentage of any SS in the HoF. Sure, his range may not have been as great at others but when he had the chances, he fielding it pretty good I would say. There are a number of current guys above the first HoFer in terms of fielding percentage...including Zack Cozart. Omar was a great SS, but not one of the all time greatest...jmog;1818296 wrote:Shortstop is a fielding position (as is CF).
Omar has the highest fielding % of all time for all SS (not including current players).
Ripken is 7th, Jeter is like 22nd.
Gold Gloves:
Ozzie 13
Omar 11
Jeter 5
Ripken 2
Ripken was a great player and one of my favorites all time, but he is known for his longevity not for his defensive abilities.
Jeter could never beat out Omar and didn't get his first GG until Omar went to the NL.
Of the top 50 career in fielding percentage for a SS.....only 3 are in the HoF.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 24, 2016 4:58pm
How many rings does Omar have?jmog;1818296 wrote:Shortstop is a fielding position (as is CF).
Omar has the highest fielding % of all time for all SS (not including current players).
Ripken is 7th, Jeter is like 22nd.
Gold Gloves:
Ozzie 13
Omar 11
Jeter 5
Ripken 2
Ripken was a great player and one of my favorites all time, but he is known for his longevity not for his defensive abilities.
Jeter could never beat out Omar and didn't get his first GG until Omar went to the NL.
Benny The Jet
Posts: 2,987
Oct 24, 2016 5:20pm
Kippnis unsure if he can play tomorrow due to ankle. You serious Clark? This is the most Cleveland thing ever.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Oct 24, 2016 6:00pm
thavoice;1818298 wrote:Last time I checked SS's also batted. If you want to just go on fielding percentage you need to go to 14th to find the first HoFer...Ripken. Cal is the highest Fielding percentage of any SS in the HoF. Sure, his range may not have been as great at others but when he had the chances, he fielding it pretty good I would say. There are a number of current guys above the first HoFer in terms of fielding percentage...including Zack Cozart. Omar was a great SS, but not one of the all time greatest...
Of the top 50 career in fielding percentage for a SS.....only 3 are in the HoF.
Ripken and Vizquel's career BA are almost identical .276 vs .272 and Omar was a much better fielder. Ripken got his name by playing in every game.