Glory Days;1783127 wrote:Like I said earlier, the repercussions are much worse if Apple fights and loses, than if they quietly complied with the request.

Please provide actual evidence that this is the case, when every legitimate source says otherwise.

Those of us with rational thinking and evidence on our side will be waiting.

Glory Days;1783129 wrote:Flip this(for devil's advocate purposes), Apple is providing secure communication devices to terrorists. how do you feel knowing that a US company has created a way for terrorist to discuss and plan terrorist attacks against the US?

Seems like we've been doing pretty good in the preventing terrorism department without this. Remind me, how many major terror attacks have happened in the US since 9/11?

Glory Days;1783129 wrote:Also, Hillary's emails are the least of my worries when it comes to national security. Even though I think its not right what she did, I have yet to see one email that actually discloses any national security information.

Probably because they aren't going to release an email to you showing you the national security info?


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Glory Days;1783125 wrote:again, impossible unless someone from Apple leaks it. Which, technically, someone at Apple with knowledge of the code writing could do that now and sell it on the black market. This request by the FBI changes nothing.

Once the tool is created, what's stopping China or another "ally" of the US from asking the same thing? Do you trust China with the tool?

Your very naive if you think this is a one time request that will allow Apple complete control into infinity over the backdoor.

Rotinaj;1783138 wrote:Seems like we've been doing pretty good in the preventing terrorism department without this. Remind me, how many major terror attacks have happened in the US since 9/11?

yeah, we've been doing a pretty good job because smart phones only very recently have become so secure and we haven't had to fight US companies to get terrorist information.

sleeper;1783175 wrote:Once the tool is created, what's stopping China or another "ally" of the US from asking the same thing? Do you trust China with the tool?

Your very naive if you think this is a one time request that will allow Apple complete control into infinity over the backdoor.

its no more naïve than you believing Tim Cook cant comply with this request without creating a backdoor. and what if China asked for it? they could have asked for it last year? they could ask for even if Apple wins their case. Our laws have no bearing on what China can or cant do. hell, China could ban iphones and kick out all of Apple's factories if they wanted to. it would solve that problem. hell, even if the US govt wins the case, it has no bearing on what China can or cant do?

iclfan2;1783141 wrote:Probably because they aren't going to release an email to you showing you the national security info?


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i cant find any solid numbers, but its looking like only a handful of the 30,000 or so emails haven't been fully released so far.

Glory Days;1783350 wrote:its no more naïve than you believing Tim Cook cant comply with this request without creating a backdoor. and what if China asked for it? they could have asked for it last year? they could ask for even if Apple wins their case. Our laws have no bearing on what China can or cant do. hell, China could ban iphones and kick out all of Apple's factories if they wanted to. it would solve that problem. hell, even if the US govt wins the case, it has no bearing on what China can or cant do?

Clearly have no clue how international law and cooperation works.

If the tool exists, they can be subpoena but anyone who wants it. Apple wants to avoid even having the tool so it doesn't have to deal with a potential flaw in its security.

So weeks later, we find out that it was the FBI who locked the phone in the first place.

Anyone on the government's side previously who don't change their minds based on this information is beyond hope.

queencitybuckeye;1784245 wrote:So weeks later, we find out that it was the FBI who locked the phone in the first place.

Anyone on the government's side previously who don't change their minds based on this information is beyond hope.

FBI = derp derp

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/02/technology/apple-and-fbi-face-off-before-house-judiciary-committee.html

queencitybuckeye;1784245 wrote:So weeks later, we find out that it was the FBI who locked the phone in the first place.

Anyone on the government's side previously who don't change their minds based on this information is beyond hope.

They screwed up, they knew it and now looking for reason to blame...
One of the primary fuctions of the Federal Government and the Consitution directives is to propect the people of the United Sates of America. Politician, Lawyer, Judges and Leaders have placed America danger ..... and some of you want to give the government more control....