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BR1986FB
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Dec 18, 2015 2:59pm
Agreed.Mulva;1770232 wrote:Prior to this regime they'd lost 11+ for 6 straight seasons, so I'm not sure how its hard to believe the players suck.
If you go down the Browns roster, looking at their starters, there aren't many who would be starters for other teams.
Using the Bengals, as an example, maybe Thomas, Bitonio & Mack (on offense) and Haden (on defense) crack their starting lineup. Probably the same for Pittsburgh but I'd also take Barnidge over Heath Miller, at this stage of Miller's career. Gipson would probably be a starter over there too as Pittsburgh's secondary is pretty weak.
There just aren't a lot of impact players on this squad.
Laley23
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Dec 18, 2015 4:35pm
Because I don't find it possible to draft shitty players for that long, missing in the draft and FA, literally 90% of the time. I think it comes from the top.Mulva;1770232 wrote:Prior to this regime they'd lost 11+ for 6 straight seasons, so I'm not sure how its hard to believe the players suck.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 18, 2015 5:09pm
Gordon would start too. I mean, no team has a full team of impact players. The reality is, the Browns talent is probably similar or slightly worse than most teams but its not a complete dire situation as you are making it out to be. Get a good QB in there and stop dreaming of Manziel improvement being a realistic option.BR1986FB;1770234 wrote:Agreed.
If you go down the Browns roster, looking at their starters, there aren't many who would be starters for other teams.
Using the Bengals, as an example, maybe Thomas, Bitonio & Mack (on offense) and Haden (on defense) crack their starting lineup. Probably the same for Pittsburgh but I'd also take Barnidge over Heath Miller, at this stage of Miller's career. Gipson would probably be a starter over there too as Pittsburgh's secondary is pretty weak.
There just aren't a lot of impact players on this squad.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 18, 2015 5:10pm
The coaches we get are always 2nd or 3rd tier candidates. Same with the GMs. The only way we get a top tier GM/coach to come to Cleveland is if we over pay or get lucky with a diamond in the rough. That's not really unique to Cleveland but we seem to not find any hidden talent out there very well.Laley23;1770272 wrote:Because I don't find it possible to draft shitty players for that long, missing in the draft and FA, literally 90% of the time. I think it comes from the top.
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BR1986FB
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Dec 18, 2015 5:22pm
I didn't count Gordon because, right now, he's not in the league. Assuming he keeps his shit straight, he starts on any team in the league.sleeper;1770280 wrote:Gordon would start too. I mean, no team has a full team of impact players. The reality is, the Browns talent is probably similar or slightly worse than most teams but its not a complete dire situation as you are making it out to be. Get a good QB in there and stop dreaming of Manziel improvement being a realistic option.
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BR1986FB
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Dec 18, 2015 5:22pm
Over, under or push on Manziel throwing two interceptions on Sunday?
sleeper
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Dec 18, 2015 5:32pm
Over. He sucks.BR1986FB;1770286 wrote:Over, under or push on Manziel throwing two interceptions on Sunday?
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 18, 2015 6:17pm
But how many fumbles? Be interesting to see if he "pisses down his leg" when playing a real defense.BR1986FB;1770286 wrote:Over, under or push on Manziel throwing two interceptions on Sunday?
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 18, 2015 6:26pm
Are they as good as they have been the last few years? Have only watched them twice and Sherman and the defensive backfield shut down AB very well but allowed 450 passing yards and over 200 yards to Wheaton....don't seem as intimidating and dominant.Commander of Awesome;1770294 wrote:But how many fumbles? Be interesting to see if he "pisses down his leg" when playing a real defense.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 18, 2015 6:29pm
Well, guess they are still high up in the rankings statistically
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 18, 2015 6:29pm
Well they won't have to worry about "paycheck stealing bowe" nor Johnny Midget tossing 450 yds on them. No home run hitting RB to worry about, I'd expect the hawks to have a "field day" with our "offense".Ironman92;1770297 wrote:Are they as good as they have been the last few years? Have only watched them twice and Sherman and the defensive backfield shut down AB very well but allowed 450 passing yards and over 200 yards to Wheaton....don't seem as intimidating and dominant.
On the other side of the ball, without a "thumper" at ILBer, nor "terrorizing pass rushers" I'd expect any RB the Seahawks throw at us to go off, and Wilson to look like Joe Montana back there.
SportsAndLady
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Dec 18, 2015 8:23pm
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BR1986FB
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Dec 19, 2015 7:07am
Seattle's D hasn't done well against elite QB's.Ironman92;1770297 wrote:Are they as good as they have been the last few years? Have only watched them twice and Sherman and the defensive backfield shut down AB very well but allowed 450 passing yards and over 200 yards to Wheaton....don't seem as intimidating and dominant.
What should be interesting is how Seattle plans to defend Manziel. A guy from ESPN Seattle was on 92.3 yesterday discussing this game and he said the Seahawks typical game plan is to force the QB OUT of the pocket, which probably plays into Manziel's strength, improvising.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 19, 2015 11:24am
Out out of the pocket throwing to who? Light in the ass Benjamin over the middle? Seattle has a big secondary and we have midget wrs. Maybe we see "paycheck stealing" bowe?BR1986FB;1770334 wrote:Seattle's D hasn't done well against elite QB's.
What should be interesting is how Seattle plans to defend Manziel. A guy from ESPN Seattle was on 92.3 yesterday discussing this game and he said the Seahawks typical game plan is to force the QB OUT of the pocket, which probably plays into Manziel's strength, improvising.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 19, 2015 5:46pm
Manziel would make a few bigger plays but he'll have 4 turnovers in return.BR1986FB;1770334 wrote:Seattle's D hasn't done well against elite QB's.
What should be interesting is how Seattle plans to defend Manziel. A guy from ESPN Seattle was on 92.3 yesterday discussing this game and he said the Seahawks typical game plan is to force the QB OUT of the pocket, which probably plays into Manziel's strength, improvising.
Seattle, Carolina, Green Bay, Arizona....I don't like the NFC as much but should be some good good playoff games. I won't count out the Giants.
Ironman92
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Dec 20, 2015 3:00pm
Kam is out for Seattle
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 20, 2015 4:12pm
Get the first down Benajmin stop playing scared you vagina
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 20, 2015 4:12pm
Pryor already dropping passes
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Dec 20, 2015 4:22pm
Touchdown Johnny football!
BRF
Posts: 8,748
Dec 20, 2015 4:23pm
hmmmmm............HMMMMM!
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Dec 20, 2015 4:23pm
Wish I had stocked up on Kleenex stock, FW would make me a millionaire by the end of the night after that start.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 20, 2015 4:39pm
Has Bademosi ever done anything good?
Mulva
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Dec 20, 2015 4:39pm
Hey Shelton did something productive!
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Dec 20, 2015 5:18pm
Our defense is pathetic��
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 20, 2015 5:19pm
Defense is baddddddd