Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
May 10, 2016 3:05pm
Curry is off-the-charts offensively. The best offensive player in history, most likely.sleeper;1795403 wrote:Curry? Dude plays no defense and just was the unanimous MVP.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 10, 2016 3:07pm
Best offensive player is quite a claim. I'd definitely feel comfortable labeling him the best 3-point shooter in history but I'd take Lebron, Jordan, Shaq, Lebron, Kareem, Lebron, etc. over him. Definitely would chose Lebron over him.Azubuike24;1795408 wrote:Curry is off-the-charts offensively. The best offensive player in history, most likely.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
May 10, 2016 3:18pm
Shot, did you say shot?slingshot4ever;1795387 wrote:Those three James Harden voters need to be shot
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
May 10, 2016 4:31pm
I wouldn't feel comfortable completely saying he's the best offensive player in history, because there's a lot of basketball I didn't get to watch personally beyond the past two decades. But what he did this past season was incredible. You've got to pick him up when he's within 40ft of the basket.
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
May 10, 2016 4:36pm
Dude, arguing on Twitter is the worst. There's too many fucking idiots/trolls out there, to where it sometimes makes Twitter pointless. It's as productive as arguing with Footwedge was. As for your questions:Midstate01;1795390 wrote:got in this twitter argument yesterday, so ill bring it here.
This dude was trying to tell me Houston wasn't the worst team in the playoffs.
His argument was that they had 2 superstars. He still believes Howard is a superstar.
I told him he wasn't even the best center on an 8 seed... and he laughed and said howard is 3x the player drummond is?
I think thats absurd and I'd take drummond every single day. Howard is not only not a good player, but a cancer.
Is this just me, or is this guy just a moron?
1) Houston or Memphis were the worst teams in the playoffs. Take your pick. Memphis had injuries to account for, but Houston took it in the ass all but one game.
2) Howard sucks. But I wouldn't want Drummond either because these guys are useless at the end of close games.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
May 10, 2016 4:42pm
I should've clarified. Season. Best season. Obviously it's too early to say best offensive player ever.sleeper;1795409 wrote:Best offensive player is quite a claim. I'd definitely feel comfortable labeling him the best 3-point shooter in history but I'd take Lebron, Jordan, Shaq, Lebron, Kareem, Lebron, etc. over him. Definitely would chose Lebron over him.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 10, 2016 4:53pm
Not to mention he's been an average player in the league until the last 1-2 years.friendfromlowry;1795412 wrote:I wouldn't feel comfortable completely saying he's the best offensive player in history, because there's a lot of basketball I didn't get to watch personally beyond the past two decades. But what he did this past season was incredible. You've got to pick him up when he's within 40ft of the basket.
Best offensive player in history needs a little more longevity to it than just 1 or 2 great years.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 10, 2016 4:54pm
BTW, I'm still taking Lebron as the best player in the league.
I'd love to see Curry-Lebron in the finals this year again.
I'd love to see Curry-Lebron in the finals this year again.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
May 10, 2016 5:00pm
I think both teams at 100% playing like they have at their best is what we all want. I'm not a fan of either, but love basketball in-general.sleeper;1795418 wrote:BTW, I'm still taking Lebron as the best player in the league.
I'd love to see Curry-Lebron in the finals this year again.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
May 10, 2016 5:00pm
I'm cool with saying Curry is the best shooter ever.
Overall "best" to me means most skilled in all facets of the game.
Overall "best" to me means most skilled in all facets of the game.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 10, 2016 5:01pm
I'm good with best 3-point shooter ever.Automatik;1795420 wrote:I'm cool with saying Curry is the best shooter ever.
Overall "best" to me means most skilled in all facets of the game.
I don't know how I feel about him being up there with the all-time greats. He still has a long way to go and his first 4 seasons were basically dogshit/average.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
May 10, 2016 5:22pm
I mean he averaged 20 PPG for his first 4 years, not insane, but not shit. Compare that to other sure fire HOF'ers like Pierce, Kobe, Dirk, etc...at the pace Curry is going, he's going to be in the top 50 all-time in scoring in 4 years. Any of the guys in the top 8 or so + LeBron when he gets there are just on another level in-terms of quality and longevity.sleeper;1795421 wrote:I'm good with best 3-point shooter ever.
I don't know how I feel about him being up there with the all-time greats. He still has a long way to go and his first 4 seasons were basically dogshit/average.
dontcare
Posts: 425
May 10, 2016 7:55pm
I wonder who lead the league in steals this season.....lolsleeper;1795403 wrote:Curry? Dude plays no defense and just was the unanimous MVP.
GOONx19
Posts: 7,147
May 10, 2016 9:35pm
Steph averaged 20.9 ppg over his first six years. Kyrie just finished his fifth season and has averaged 20.8 ppg over that time.Azubuike24;1795422 wrote:I mean he averaged 20 PPG for his first 4 years, not insane, but not shit. Compare that to other sure fire HOF'ers like Pierce, Kobe, Dirk, etc...at the pace Curry is going, he's going to be in the top 50 all-time in scoring in 4 years. Any of the guys in the top 8 or so + LeBron when he gets there are just on another level in-terms of quality and longevity.
Just a small piece of the picture, but I'm not comfortable calling Steph the best of all time at anything. Maybe best range.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
May 10, 2016 9:45pm
Watched about 3 min of Spurs/Thunder and had to turn it. It was unwatchable with the bitching (Parker, who didn't foul but Duncan smacked Westbrook in the face but Parker bitched for 2 minutes)....then Westbrook bumps Parker on defense and Parker flails like he was hit by Ray Lewis.
I cannot tolerate the flopping and flailing of these huge world class athletes all to deceive the already terrible NBA officiating.
It's ok to have a call made by the official and not debate or argue it.
I cannot tolerate the flopping and flailing of these huge world class athletes all to deceive the already terrible NBA officiating.
It's ok to have a call made by the official and not debate or argue it.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
May 10, 2016 10:26pm
Durant SMH
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
May 10, 2016 10:27pm
Wow...Westbrook passed ball to official and official held it until Spurs were locked on them....is there a rule or way that is supposed to be handled?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 10, 2016 10:30pm
Thought that was BS by the refIronman92;1795430 wrote:Wow...Westbrook passed ball to official and official held it until Spurs were locked on them....is there a rule or way that is supposed to be handled?
Also thought The refs missed a foul on RW before his attempt at the layup.
These refs suck
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
May 10, 2016 10:30pm
Quite the outstanding 2nd half by RW
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
May 10, 2016 10:51pm
Out of a game stoppage, they should wait till players are set. But, since that was just a missed shot OB, shouldn't have held it. Don't have to go fast like Westbrook was and wanted the ref too, but also shouldn't hold it to make sure everyone is set.Ironman92;1795430 wrote:Wow...Westbrook passed ball to official and official held it until Spurs were locked on them....is there a rule or way that is supposed to be handled?
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
May 10, 2016 10:58pm
This was my common sense guessLaley23;1795433 wrote:Out of a game stoppage, they should wait till players are set. But, since that was just a missed shot OB, shouldn't have held it. Don't have to go fast like Westbrook was and wanted the ref too, but also shouldn't hold it to make sure everyone is set.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 11, 2016 6:55am
But if the refs did the right thing that would add 4 hours to the game!!!!SportsAndLady;1795431 wrote:Thought that was BS by the ref
Also thought The refs missed a foul on RW before his attempt at the layup.
These refs suck
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 11, 2016 8:32am
Weve had some stupid arguments on the OC. That one was near the top of stupid.like_that;1795437 wrote:But if the refs did the right thing that would add 4 hours to the game!!!!
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
May 11, 2016 9:18am
Again, I wasn't saying his first 4 years are incredible. Sleeper used them as a detriment, and I simply stated that other HOF'ers had similar starts.GOONx19;1795427 wrote:Steph averaged 20.9 ppg over his first six years. Kyrie just finished his fifth season and has averaged 20.8 ppg over that time.
Just a small piece of the picture, but I'm not comfortable calling Steph the best of all time at anything. Maybe best range.
Of course, if Steph doesn't continue this pace much longer, he's not even close. However, say he continues at this pace for maybe 5-7 more years. He's right in the conversation, especially if he's sporting 3 or 4 rings.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
May 11, 2016 10:07am
He's got a long way to go to catch Michael.