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BR1986FB
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Jun 25, 2015 1:47pm
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bigorangebuck22
Posts: 186
Jun 25, 2015 3:50pm
As a society we've moved from the Information Age to the Age of Offended
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steubbigred
Posts: 1,392
Jun 25, 2015 4:36pm
This should have started out in the drunj forum
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Jun 25, 2015 4:41pm
there are plenty of racism coming from the minority communities in the US. Dont see them having to back down.
When are we done with the "black colleges"
When are we done with the "black colleges"
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Jun 25, 2015 5:37pm
Why is it different now? It almost seems like you're making excuses for him. (Maybe I'm reading that wrong) He did it because he was a racist piece of shit. When you say he was mentally ill, it seems to me like you are saying he couldn't help himself.SportsAndLady;1736990 wrote:In 2015, if you lynch a black person you are some sort of mentally deranged. Yes.
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Wolves of Babylon
Posts: 408
Jun 25, 2015 5:48pm
Prejudice equals Black people like watermelon, can play bass or can play basketball.
Racist equals Black people should die, be slaves or are inferior species because they are black.
Pretty easy to distinguish in my opinion.
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Racist equals Black people should die, be slaves or are inferior species because they are black.
Pretty easy to distinguish in my opinion.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jun 25, 2015 5:50pm
Or maybe shooting up a black Church was a way for this wacko to distinguish his notoriety, rather than just another crazy that shot-up a school or movie theater.
I'm not sure we'll ever know his history with being a racist. One friend said the guy had black friends in high school. Just saying it's not impossible his "racism" was manufactured or perhaps triggered by hard drug use and/or a mental breakdown.
I'm not sure we'll ever know his history with being a racist. One friend said the guy had black friends in high school. Just saying it's not impossible his "racism" was manufactured or perhaps triggered by hard drug use and/or a mental breakdown.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jun 25, 2015 6:04pm
Well if you can't tell the difference in racial tension and social norms in 1967 and 2015, I don't know what to tell you.FatHobbit;1737272 wrote:Why is it different now? It almost seems like you're making excuses for him. (Maybe I'm reading that wrong) He did it because he was a racist piece of shit. When you say he was mentally ill, it seems to me like you are saying he couldn't help himself.
And I'm not making excuses for the guy. He's a racist sack of shit who should be burned alive as a death penalty. But he was definitely mentally not-all-there.
Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Jun 25, 2015 8:44pm
If that's the case, why wouldn't they sentence him to a psychiatric facility?SportsAndLady;1737277 wrote:Well if you can't tell the difference in racial tension and social norms in 1967 and 2015, I don't know what to tell you.
And I'm not making excuses for the guy. He's a racist sack of shit who should be burned alive as a death penalty. But he was definitely mentally not-all-there.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jun 25, 2015 9:15pm
Mentally ill doesn't mean he was insane/incompetent. He might "serve" in a psychiatric facility, but it's probably not enough to keep him off death row. One can be seriously mentally ill and still know their actions were wrong, especially when talking about something premeditated.Fab4Runner;1737331 wrote:If that's the case, why wouldn't they sentence him to a psychiatric facility?
rmolin73
Posts: 4,278
Jun 25, 2015 9:15pm
The vast majority of murders are a little mentally unstable. But it seems as if whenever there is a mass murder that is the first label most try and put on the person if it's a white guy.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jun 25, 2015 9:24pm
But it's almost always a white guy, at least in the US.rmolin73;1737336 wrote:But it seems as if whenever there is a mass murder that is the first label most try and put on the person if it's a white guy.
rmolin73
Posts: 4,278
Jun 25, 2015 9:26pm
Truegut;1737337 wrote:But it's almost always a white guy, at least in the US.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Jun 25, 2015 11:10pm
...and they are usually from the South which right away means they probably have an IQ somewhere between a possum and a potato.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Jun 25, 2015 11:32pm
From what I've read about the dude, at the least he was a very high-functioning psycho. He seemed to have compiled a lot of information and had a definite plan for what he wanted to do. More of a sociopath than a frothing loony, in any case.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 26, 2015 12:30am
Aaron Alexis, the guy who shot up the Navy Yard in DC in September 2013 was black. He was definitely labeled mentally unstable.gut;1737337 wrote:But it's almost always a white guy, at least in the US.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Jun 26, 2015 2:27am
Yeah that's the guy that woulda got you that day if he'd been a better shot right?sleeper;1737379 wrote:Aaron Alexis, the guy who shot up the Navy Yard in DC in September 2013 was black. He was definitely labeled mentally unstable.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 26, 2015 8:14am
I don't know how "mentally ill" this guy is. He said that when he sat down and got to know the people in that church, he "almost couldn't go through with it because they were so nice to him" so he was aware of his actions and knew they were wrong. One would think this would take any insanity defense off the table if they push for the death penalty. I think the dude was more of a racist POS than he was mentally ill.gut;1737335 wrote:Mentally ill doesn't mean he was insane/incompetent. He might "serve" in a psychiatric facility, but it's probably not enough to keep him off death row. One can be seriously mentally ill and still know their actions were wrong, especially when talking about something premeditated.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 26, 2015 10:20am
He very well could have but I was crouched behind a desk in a locked office.Tiernan;1737386 wrote:Yeah that's the guy that woulda got you that day if he'd been a better shot right?
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Jun 26, 2015 1:16pm
The fact that most, if not all of them have been on some kind of medication for the treatment of mental illness makes it easier.rmolin73;1737336 wrote:The vast majority of murders are a little mentally unstable. But it seems as if whenever there is a mass murder that is the first label most try and put on the person if it's a white guy.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jun 26, 2015 1:51pm
That's my point. You can have serious mental issues but you have to be batshit loco to get off on insanity when it was premeditated. There are plenty of people with serious mental issues who are functional. Saying his mental issues/drug use were likely a significant contributing factor isn't the same as saying he didn't know what he was doing.BR1986FB;1737390 wrote:I don't know how "mentally ill" this guy is. He said that when he sat down and got to know the people in that church, he "almost couldn't go through with it because they were so nice to him" so he was aware of his actions and knew they were wrong. One would think this would take any insanity defense off the table if they push for the death penalty. I think the dude was more of a racist POS than he was mentally ill.
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Zoltan
Posts: 1,003
Jun 26, 2015 2:09pm
Should any mental illness shield you from regular sentencing when you killed 9 innocent people? Lots of diseases sentence you to death, and if you have a mental illness that caused you to kill nine people maybe that should too.
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Jun 26, 2015 5:10pm
No. Sane or ill, both need put down.Zoltan;1737450 wrote:Should any mental illness shield you from regular sentencing when you killed 9 innocent people? Lots of diseases sentence you to death, and if you have a mental illness that caused you to kill nine people maybe that should too.
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Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jun 27, 2015 12:57am
Actus reus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea.Zoltan;1737450 wrote:Should any mental illness shield you from regular sentencing when you killed 9 innocent people? Lots of diseases sentence you to death, and if you have a mental illness that caused you to kill nine people maybe that should too.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Jun 27, 2015 3:11am
Come on boys. We don't want any trouble here. Not in any language.Mulva;1737552 wrote:Actus reus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea.