Glory Days
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Jul 3, 2015 5:41pm
For purely selfish political gains. How is Baltimore's top to bottom democrat controlled city fairing?isadore;1738601 wrote: The Democratic Party over its continuing it has moved toward more tolerant and enlightened views on race, gender and sexual orientation.
Glory Days
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Jul 3, 2015 5:42pm
and our founding fathers owned slaves...for hundreds of years....so should we rename our country and get ride of the American flag too?isadore;1738671 wrote:Gosh a ruddies General Lee killed hundreds of thousands of American soldiers.
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isadore
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Jul 3, 2015 6:40pm
how cynical of you, gosh the Republican Party purposely abandoned civil rights as the Southern strategy to win the votes of southern bigots. Now that was cynicalGlory Days;1738681 wrote:For purely selfish political gains. How is Baltimore's top to bottom democrat controlled city fairing?
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isadore
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Jul 3, 2015 6:53pm
Gosh a ruddies America moved toward enlightenment. George Washington freed his slaves in his will. Hamilton and Franklin came to support manumission. The states north of the Mason Dixon Line and Ohio River abolished slavery in the antebellum era. But the South moved in the opposite direction destroying the Union in order to protect their Peculiar Institution. Their flag does not deserve any position of honor or acclamationGosh a ruddies our society was moving toward enlightenment. and gosh it is rid not ride.Glory Days;1738682 wrote:and our founding fathers owned slaves...for hundreds of years....so should we rename our country and get ride of the American flag too?
Glory Days
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Jul 4, 2015 3:51am
seriously? he freed his slaves after his death. if that's true, how noble of him to wait until HIS death :RpS_glare:isadore;1738688 wrote:Gosh a ruddies America moved toward enlightenment. George Washington freed his slaves in his will. Hamilton and Franklin came to support manumission. The states north of the Mason Dixon Line and Ohio River abolished slavery in the antebellum era. But the South moved in the opposite direction destroying the Union in order to protect their Peculiar Institution. Their flag does not deserve any position of honor or acclamationGosh a ruddies our society was moving toward enlightenment. and gosh it is rid not ride.
and the Union states of Maryland, Missouri, Delaware, Kentucky, and the District of Columbia all had slaves at the start of the civil war. Delaware and Kentucky had slavery until the 13th Amendment was passed.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Jul 4, 2015 6:24am
really my thoughts also. Who the hell still uses word perfect......Al Bundy;1738678 wrote:Word perfect still exists?
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Jul 4, 2015 6:41am
Time to abolish the social welfare program of slavery... It has destroyed the family unit, inslaved people not to achieve, participants to be dependent on the master government.
rmolin73
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Jul 4, 2015 7:13am
Lol this is funny as hell to me.Belly35;1738721 wrote:really my thoughts also. Who the hell still uses word perfect......
Belly35
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Jul 4, 2015 7:55am
I'll be here Monday thur Friday bring a friend..rmolin73;1738726 wrote:Lol this is funny as hell to me.
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isadore
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Jul 4, 2015 8:25am
Washington’s actions set them free and provided for them sixty plus years before the 13rd Amendment. That is a good thing. <oGlory Days;1738718 wrote:seriously? he freed his slaves after his death. if that's true, how noble of him to wait until HIS death :RpS_glare:
and the Union states of Maryland, Missouri, Delaware, Kentucky, and the District of Columbia all had slaves at the start of the civil war. Delaware and Kentucky had slavery until the 13th Amendment was passed.
></o>.Slavery was the reason for the existence of the Confederacy. Every state in it had slavery and wanted the Peculiar Institution protected and expanded. All the states above the Mason Dixon Line or the Ohio River had abolished slavery. The states you list are all Southern states that chose to remain in the Union. They did not support treason. The interpretation of the Constitution prevalent at the time did not allow the President or the Congress on its own to end slavery in a state not in rebellion. The 13[SUP]th[/SUP] Amendment pushed by Lincoln, proposed by Congress and ratified by the states did the job.<o
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isadore
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Jul 4, 2015 8:29am
It is enslaved not inslaved, you should use WORD, it would help.Belly35;1738722 wrote:Time to abolish the social welfare program of slavery... It has destroyed the family unit, inslaved people not to achieve, participants to be dependent on the master government.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Jul 4, 2015 11:07am
Yes, the Founding Fathers owned slaves, it is a contradiction that we have to live with, but one cannot bring them up when discussing the Civil War. That is like bringing up social and ethical norms of the 1920s and comparing them to today. Does not make much sense as the country has evolved, much like it did from the late 18th century to 1865.Glory Days;1738718 wrote:seriously? he freed his slaves after his death. if that's true, how noble of him to wait until HIS death :RpS_glare:
and the Union states of Maryland, Missouri, Delaware, Kentucky, and the District of Columbia all had slaves at the start of the civil war. Delaware and Kentucky had slavery until the 13th Amendment was passed.
As for Maryland, yes it was a slave state, mainly in the Eastern shore, as was Delaware, but the states as a whole were more divided on the topic. Missouri was a slave state due to the 1819 compromise, DC due to it being the capital and had to appease to the Southern way so to tick off the south. Kentucky was also slave yes, but not so much as other states and remained "neutral" during the civil war, with most of the state fighting for the Union.
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BR1986FB
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Jul 4, 2015 11:57am
The car from the Dukes of Hazzard killed hundreds of thousands of American soldiers? News to me....isadore;1738671 wrote:Gosh a ruddies General Lee killed hundreds of thousands of American soldiers.
Heretic
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Jul 4, 2015 12:02pm
That episode stopped being aired in syndication a while ago.BR1986FB;1738747 wrote:The car from the Dukes of Hazzard killed hundreds of thousands of American soldiers? News to me....
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isadore
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Jul 4, 2015 12:04pm
gosh a ruddies they chose to put the flag representing slavery and traitor on the car and name it for a traitor who was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of American soldiers.BR1986FB;1738747 wrote:The car from the Dukes of Hazzard killed hundreds of thousands of American soldiers? News to me....
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Al Bundy
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Jul 4, 2015 12:19pm
Do you have these numbers saved on your Lotus 1-2-3 spreadsheet?isadore;1738750 wrote:gosh a ruddies they chose to put the flag representing slavery and traitor on the car and name it for a traitor who was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of American soldiers.
Glory Days
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Jul 5, 2015 1:15am
personally I don't care that the founding fathers owned slaves. but people like isadore treat them like gods.ptown_trojans_1;1738743 wrote:Yes, the Founding Fathers owned slaves, it is a contradiction that we have to live with, but one cannot bring them up when discussing the Civil War. That is like bringing up social and ethical norms of the 1920s and comparing them to today. Does not make much sense as the country has evolved, much like it did from the late 18th century to 1865.
As for Maryland, yes it was a slave state, mainly in the Eastern shore, as was Delaware, but the states as a whole were more divided on the topic. Missouri was a slave state due to the 1819 compromise, DC due to it being the capital and had to appease to the Southern way so to tick off the south. Kentucky was also slave yes, but not so much as other states and remained "neutral" during the civil war, with most of the state fighting for the Union.
Glory Days
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Jul 5, 2015 1:18am
technically Delaware is above the mason dixon line. you can claim the slavery was the reason of the confederacy, but the union did not invade the south to free the slaves.isadore;1738730 wrote: Washington’s actions set them free and provided for them sixty plus years before the 13rd Amendment. That is a good thing. <o
.Slavery was the reason for the existence of the Confederacy. Every state in it had slavery and wanted the Peculiar Institution protected and expanded. All the states above the Mason Dixon Line or the Ohio River had abolished slavery. The states you list are all Southern states that chose to remain in the Union. They did not support treason. The interpretation of the Constitution prevalent at the time did not allow the President or the Congress on its own to end slavery in a state not in rebellion. The 13[SUP]th[/SUP] Amendment pushed by Lincoln, proposed by Congress and ratified by the states did the job.<o
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isadore
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Jul 5, 2015 10:58am
The bulk of Delaware is not above the Mason Dixon Line,. It is not a claim that the Confederacy was the reason for the Confederacy, it is a fact admitted by the Secession conventions, President and Vice President of the CSA. After the Emancipation Proclamation the Union Army became the agent of liberation for Southern slaves, its purpose evolved and grew.Glory Days;1738814 wrote:technically Delaware is above the mason dixon line. you can claim the slavery was the reason of the confederacy, but the union did not invade the south to free the slaves.
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isadore
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Jul 5, 2015 11:00am
not all of them, Thomas Jefferson was a hypocrite and coward who raped a teen aged slave girl.Glory Days;1738813 wrote:personally I don't care that the founding fathers owned slaves. but people like isadore treat them like gods.
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isadore
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Jul 5, 2015 11:01am
noAl Bundy;1738752 wrote:Do you have these numbers saved on your Lotus 1-2-3 spreadsheet?
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Jul 5, 2015 12:42pm
Technically correct.Glory Days;1738814 wrote:technically Delaware is above the mason dixon line. you can claim the slavery was the reason of the confederacy, but the union did not invade the south to free the slaves.
The Union fought to get the states together initially.
It was then after the Emanicipation Proclamation that the reason turned to both keeping the Union together and freeing slaves.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Jul 6, 2015 12:01pm
FF owned slaves, yes.ptown_trojans_1;1738743 wrote:Yes, the Founding Fathers owned slaves, it is a contradiction that we have to live with, but one cannot bring them up when discussing the Civil War. That is like bringing up social and ethical norms of the 1920s and comparing them to today. Does not make much sense as the country has evolved, much like it did from the late 18th century to 1865.
As for Maryland, yes it was a slave state, mainly in the Eastern shore, as was Delaware, but the states as a whole were more divided on the topic. Missouri was a slave state due to the 1819 compromise, DC due to it being the capital and had to appease to the Southern way so to tick off the south. Kentucky was also slave yes, but not so much as other states and remained "neutral" during the civil war, with most of the state fighting for the Union.
Some black folk also owned slaves and many sold their own into slavery from Africa.
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QuakerOats
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Jul 6, 2015 3:53pm
'Black lives matter' protesters burn American flag...
nice article .....love the unification by the agitator-in-chief
nice article .....love the unification by the agitator-in-chief
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jul 6, 2015 4:31pm
So how many Confederate flags did people see on July 4th?
And I can't really figure out why the Confederate flag should be displayed on July 4th. That's kind of like wearing a Cleveland Cavs jersey to the Super Bowl.
And I can't really figure out why the Confederate flag should be displayed on July 4th. That's kind of like wearing a Cleveland Cavs jersey to the Super Bowl.