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OhioStatePride2003
Posts: 686
Apr 8, 2010 1:15am
3. Taylor Price, Ohio: 6-0, 204, 4.42
I think this kid is going to be a complete stud. He has size and speed, is a wonderful route runner, and has great hands. Put up solid numbers with decent, at best, QBs at Ohio U. I, personally, don't think he'll make it past the 4-5th round.
I think this kid is going to be a complete stud. He has size and speed, is a wonderful route runner, and has great hands. Put up solid numbers with decent, at best, QBs at Ohio U. I, personally, don't think he'll make it past the 4-5th round.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 8, 2010 5:18am
Most recent mocks I've seen on Spikes have him falling to the 3rd round.devil1197 wrote: Spikes will be the Maualuga of this years draft.
A 1st round talent on the field that will slide into the 2nd round.
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pkebker
Posts: 760
Apr 8, 2010 7:11am
Spikes would be a steal in the 2nd round, let alone the 3rd round. Could you imagine if our draft was 1 - Berry, 2 - McCoy, 3 - Spikes...It would infuse attitude into our defense immediately, while having our qb to groom.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 8, 2010 9:30am
Browns sign Ghiaciuc. Not sure how I feel about this. Bengals fans complained that he got tossed around like a throw pillow...
http://cle.scout.com/a.z?s=149&p=9&c=2&cid=960608&nid=4892281&fhn=1
http://cle.scout.com/a.z?s=149&p=9&c=2&cid=960608&nid=4892281&fhn=1
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Apr 8, 2010 9:51am
You're not sure how you feel about them signing a BACKUP center....okkkBR1986FB wrote: Browns sign Ghiaciuc. Not sure how I feel about this. Bengals fans complained that he got tossed around like a throw pillow...
http://cle.scout.com/a.z?s=149&p=9&c=2&cid=960608&nid=4892281&fhn=1
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 8, 2010 10:23am
Better hope Mack stays healthy. Would have rather seen them take a flier on a late round rookie than Ghiaciuc.bases_loaded wrote:You're not sure how you feel about them signing a BACKUP center....okkkBR1986FB wrote: Browns sign Ghiaciuc. Not sure how I feel about this. Bengals fans complained that he got tossed around like a throw pillow...
http://cle.scout.com/a.z?s=149&p=9&c=2&cid=960608&nid=4892281&fhn=1
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pkebker
Posts: 760
Apr 8, 2010 10:45am
Yeah I'm not sure why you wouldn't criticize this. You should never want to sign a bad player, regardless if he is a backup or not, if he sucks, I don't want him.BR1986FB wrote:Better hope Mack stays healthy. Would have rather seen them take a flier on a late round rookie than Ghiaciuc.bases_loaded wrote:You're not sure how you feel about them signing a BACKUP center....okkkBR1986FB wrote: Browns sign Ghiaciuc. Not sure how I feel about this. Bengals fans complained that he got tossed around like a throw pillow...
http://cle.scout.com/a.z?s=149&p=9&c=2&cid=960608&nid=4892281&fhn=1
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 8, 2010 10:55am
bkebker....there's a scouting report on Ghiaciuc that I just pm'd you. Basically says he's a light in the pants, "soft" center with minimal leg strength, who got bullrushed by opposing linebackers and couldn't handle big NT's. Teams started to exploit this and their defensive players were frequently in Carson Palmer's hip pocket.pkebker wrote:Yeah I'm not sure why you wouldn't criticize this. You should never want to sign a bad player, regardless if he is a backup or not, if he sucks, I don't want him.BR1986FB wrote:Better hope Mack stays healthy. Would have rather seen them take a flier on a late round rookie than Ghiaciuc.bases_loaded wrote:You're not sure how you feel about them signing a BACKUP center....okkkBR1986FB wrote: Browns sign Ghiaciuc. Not sure how I feel about this. Bengals fans complained that he got tossed around like a throw pillow...
http://cle.scout.com/a.z?s=149&p=9&c=2&cid=960608&nid=4892281&fhn=1
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devil1197
Posts: 6,220
Apr 8, 2010 12:07pm
Back ups are one play away from being the starting. Hence the reason to have good depth at positions.
gibby08
Posts: 1,581
Apr 8, 2010 4:07pm
Colt McCoy had a very good workout for St Louis it appears.
Anything could happen, but I am getting a vibe that St Louis may take Suh #1 and then go after McCoy at 33.
Anything could happen, but I am getting a vibe that St Louis may take Suh #1 and then go after McCoy at 33.
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OhioStatePride2003
Posts: 686
Apr 8, 2010 4:21pm
If that happens, I still don't think that Cleveland will move up. In fact, I think they'd screw St. Louis and move up into the bottom half of the 1st and take McCoy.gibby08 wrote: Colt McCoy had a very good workout for St Louis it appears.
Anything could happen, but I am getting a vibe that St Louis may take Suh #1 and then go after McCoy at 33.
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Big Red Monster
Posts: 436
Apr 8, 2010 4:24pm
I was reading on a local St Louis paper and the Rams people said they were very impressed and he has all the tools to be a great QB.
I think it is just talk to try and get Bradford's people in a little mess.
It wouldnt surprise me though to see something like this happen.
I think it is just talk to try and get Bradford's people in a little mess.
It wouldnt surprise me though to see something like this happen.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 8, 2010 9:23pm
Browns, NFL, Sports Impact »
Browns' Mike Holmgren not disappointed asking price for McNabb dropped: Browns Insider
By Tony Grossi, The Plain Dealer
April 08, 2010, 6:29PM
What the Redskins traded to the Eagles for quarterback Donovan McNabb was much less than what the Eagles asked of the Browns.The Browns did not seriously consider trading for former Philadelphia quarterback Donovan McNabb because they did not want to give up a draft pick in the first three rounds, President Mike Holmgren said Thursday.
Instead, the Browns signed Jake Delhomme on March 15 after the Carolina Panthers released him.
The Eagles traded McNabb to division-rival Washington on Sunday for a second-round draft pick (37th overall) and a conditional fourth-round pick in 2011 that can become a third-round pick.
Holmgren said the Browns never made a formal offer for McNabb prior to signing Delhomme. But at the time of their discussions, the Eagles' price tag was "absolutely higher" than what they eventually received from the Redskins.
"But it always is [in the early stages], and you're not sure it's going to change," Holmgren said. "But it was pretty high."
The Browns own five of the top 92 picks in the April 22-24 draft. Holmgren said he values that stockpile to fill other team needs.
"The only way I was going to take all those early draft picks in rounds 1, 2 and 3 and use them would be for a young draft choice that I thought could be the quarterback for the next 15 years," he said. "Otherwise, we have too many needs that those picks are going to help us with."
Holmgren said that when he initiated plans to rebuild the Browns' quarterback position, he had a list of 10 to 12 quarterbacks that might be available, including in the draft. Before releasing Derek Anderson, Holmgren traded a seventh-round draft pick in 2011 for Seattle backup quarterback Seneca Wallace.
"To take some of the pressure off immediately," Holmgren said of that deal. During that period, Holmgren and General Manager Tom Heckert, formerly of Philadelphia, had discussions with the Eagles, who made it known that any of their three quarterbacks were available. Holmgren said it never got serious because of the Eagles' high asking price. He would not identify what they wanted, but reports at the time said the price was a first-round draft pick.
After Carolina released Delhomme, the Browns signed him to a two-year deal and traded Brady Quinn to Denver for fullback Peyton Hillis, a sixth-round pick in 2011 and a conditional pick in 2012.
Delhomme reportedly will receive $7 million in 2010 -- most of which comes in a signing bonus. Delhomme, 35, has a $5.4 million base salary for 2011.
McNabb, 33, is scheduled to make $11.5 million in salary and bonuses in 2010. He is unsigned after 2010.
Holmgren said he was not disappointed that Philadelphia's price tag for McNabb dropped so dramatically after the Browns had committed to Delhomme.
"I'm not a big one at looking back," he said. "We did the [deal with Delhomme]. I'm pumped up. I really think this guy is going to bring something for a couple years and hopefully during that process we can find the next guy."
The Eagles have received some criticism for trading McNabb to a division rival. Holmgren said he hasn't spoken to Eagles coach Andy Reid, a friend and former protege, since the trade.
"Just as a general rule, I don't think it's ever a good deal to trade [with a division rival]," he said. "Clearly, Andy has such a great relationship with Donovan that it seemed to me that he did that because he cares for the kid and he wanted to do something for him. Now, Andy's nicer than I am."
Although Holmgren treasures owning five picks among the top 92, he said he is not averse to using them to move up in rounds 1 or 2. The Browns' top picks are at Nos. 7 and 38. They have three in the third round.
"We're going talk about it. That's a possibility," he said. "But it has to be something pretty slam-dunk. Otherwise, I think we can come out of, with those five picks, if we do it right, we should be able to get some real help, real depth, and build a young core."
Backup center signed: The Browns announced the signing of former Bengals center Eric Ghiaciuc.
Ghiaciuc had 42 career starts at center for the Bengals between 2005 and '08. He was released last year in Kansas City's camp and eventually spent some time on San Diego's roster.
Ghiaciuc fills the void of backup to Alex Mack after the release of Hank Fraley and departure in free agency of Rex Hadnot.
Just visiting: Among the players hosted by the Browns on Thursday was Tennessee free safety Eric Berry. Berry is considered a prime candidate to be the Browns' choice at No. 7 overall in the draft if he is available.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/04/browns_mike_holmgren_not_disap.html
Browns' Mike Holmgren not disappointed asking price for McNabb dropped: Browns Insider
By Tony Grossi, The Plain Dealer
April 08, 2010, 6:29PM
What the Redskins traded to the Eagles for quarterback Donovan McNabb was much less than what the Eagles asked of the Browns.The Browns did not seriously consider trading for former Philadelphia quarterback Donovan McNabb because they did not want to give up a draft pick in the first three rounds, President Mike Holmgren said Thursday.
Instead, the Browns signed Jake Delhomme on March 15 after the Carolina Panthers released him.
The Eagles traded McNabb to division-rival Washington on Sunday for a second-round draft pick (37th overall) and a conditional fourth-round pick in 2011 that can become a third-round pick.
Holmgren said the Browns never made a formal offer for McNabb prior to signing Delhomme. But at the time of their discussions, the Eagles' price tag was "absolutely higher" than what they eventually received from the Redskins.
"But it always is [in the early stages], and you're not sure it's going to change," Holmgren said. "But it was pretty high."
The Browns own five of the top 92 picks in the April 22-24 draft. Holmgren said he values that stockpile to fill other team needs.
"The only way I was going to take all those early draft picks in rounds 1, 2 and 3 and use them would be for a young draft choice that I thought could be the quarterback for the next 15 years," he said. "Otherwise, we have too many needs that those picks are going to help us with."
Holmgren said that when he initiated plans to rebuild the Browns' quarterback position, he had a list of 10 to 12 quarterbacks that might be available, including in the draft. Before releasing Derek Anderson, Holmgren traded a seventh-round draft pick in 2011 for Seattle backup quarterback Seneca Wallace.
"To take some of the pressure off immediately," Holmgren said of that deal. During that period, Holmgren and General Manager Tom Heckert, formerly of Philadelphia, had discussions with the Eagles, who made it known that any of their three quarterbacks were available. Holmgren said it never got serious because of the Eagles' high asking price. He would not identify what they wanted, but reports at the time said the price was a first-round draft pick.
After Carolina released Delhomme, the Browns signed him to a two-year deal and traded Brady Quinn to Denver for fullback Peyton Hillis, a sixth-round pick in 2011 and a conditional pick in 2012.
Delhomme reportedly will receive $7 million in 2010 -- most of which comes in a signing bonus. Delhomme, 35, has a $5.4 million base salary for 2011.
McNabb, 33, is scheduled to make $11.5 million in salary and bonuses in 2010. He is unsigned after 2010.
Holmgren said he was not disappointed that Philadelphia's price tag for McNabb dropped so dramatically after the Browns had committed to Delhomme.
"I'm not a big one at looking back," he said. "We did the [deal with Delhomme]. I'm pumped up. I really think this guy is going to bring something for a couple years and hopefully during that process we can find the next guy."
The Eagles have received some criticism for trading McNabb to a division rival. Holmgren said he hasn't spoken to Eagles coach Andy Reid, a friend and former protege, since the trade.
"Just as a general rule, I don't think it's ever a good deal to trade [with a division rival]," he said. "Clearly, Andy has such a great relationship with Donovan that it seemed to me that he did that because he cares for the kid and he wanted to do something for him. Now, Andy's nicer than I am."
Although Holmgren treasures owning five picks among the top 92, he said he is not averse to using them to move up in rounds 1 or 2. The Browns' top picks are at Nos. 7 and 38. They have three in the third round.
"We're going talk about it. That's a possibility," he said. "But it has to be something pretty slam-dunk. Otherwise, I think we can come out of, with those five picks, if we do it right, we should be able to get some real help, real depth, and build a young core."
Backup center signed: The Browns announced the signing of former Bengals center Eric Ghiaciuc.
Ghiaciuc had 42 career starts at center for the Bengals between 2005 and '08. He was released last year in Kansas City's camp and eventually spent some time on San Diego's roster.
Ghiaciuc fills the void of backup to Alex Mack after the release of Hank Fraley and departure in free agency of Rex Hadnot.
Just visiting: Among the players hosted by the Browns on Thursday was Tennessee free safety Eric Berry. Berry is considered a prime candidate to be the Browns' choice at No. 7 overall in the draft if he is available.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/04/browns_mike_holmgren_not_disap.html
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Al Capone
Posts: 1,727
Apr 8, 2010 9:40pm
Holmgren will say anything to cover his fat ass. He screwed up and knows it. Cleveland could have had McNabb but settled for Wallace and ''pick me'' Delhomme. He knows that you Clown fans are so desperate for a winner, that you'll buy anything he says.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 8, 2010 9:50pm
If it isn't the resident Chatter bitch coming over to a BROWNS thread so he can grab his ankles and get verbally DRILLED AGAIN.Al Capone wrote: Holmgren will say anything to cover his fat ass. He screwed up and knows it. Cleveland could have had McNabb but settled for Wallace and ''pick me'' Delhomme. He knows that you Clown fans are so desperate for a winner, that you'll buy anything he says.
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OhioStatePride2003
Posts: 686
Apr 8, 2010 10:06pm
Welcome back Big Gay Al - funny that you talk about Holmgren's ass, and then it's mentioned that you should be grabbing your ankles to be drilled. Coincidence? I think not. You're so homo and you don't even know it, or do you?Al Capone wrote: Holmgren will say anything to cover his fat ass. He screwed up and knows it. Cleveland could have had McNabb but settled for Wallace and ''pick me'' Delhomme. He knows that you Clown fans are so desperate for a winner, that you'll buy anything he says.
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pkebker
Posts: 760
Apr 8, 2010 10:13pm
I'm not sure if you understood me correctly, but I am agreeing with you. I don't see the point of signing a bad player regardless if he is only a 'backup'. I want the backups to be able to step in and give quality minutes, not get our QB's killed. Bad pickup by the BrownsBR1986FB wrote:bkebker....there's a scouting report on Ghiaciuc that I just pm'd you. Basically says he's a light in the pants, "soft" center with minimal leg strength, who got bullrushed by opposing linebackers and couldn't handle big NT's. Teams started to exploit this and their defensive players were frequently in Carson Palmer's hip pocket.pkebker wrote:Yeah I'm not sure why you wouldn't criticize this. You should never want to sign a bad player, regardless if he is a backup or not, if he sucks, I don't want him.BR1986FB wrote:Better hope Mack stays healthy. Would have rather seen them take a flier on a late round rookie than Ghiaciuc.bases_loaded wrote:You're not sure how you feel about them signing a BACKUP center....okkkBR1986FB wrote: Browns sign Ghiaciuc. Not sure how I feel about this. Bengals fans complained that he got tossed around like a throw pillow...
http://cle.scout.com/a.z?s=149&p=9&c=2&cid=960608&nid=4892281&fhn=1
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Al Capone
Posts: 1,727
Apr 8, 2010 10:34pm
Aside of your immature reply, I noticed you didn't disagree with me. He screwed up and you know it.BR1986FB wrote:If it isn't the resident Chatter bitch coming over to a BROWNS thread so he can grab his ankles and get verbally DRILLED AGAIN.Al Capone wrote: Holmgren will say anything to cover his fat ass. He screwed up and knows it. Cleveland could have had McNabb but settled for Wallace and ''pick me'' Delhomme. He knows that you Clown fans are so desperate for a winner, that you'll buy anything he says.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Apr 8, 2010 10:50pm
Bullshit--He didn't want to give up picks for a team with a ton of needs.
I'm begining to believe you are actually as fucking stupid as you sound, which is quite a feat...you're Goonies Sloth stupid.
I'm begining to believe you are actually as fucking stupid as you sound, which is quite a feat...you're Goonies Sloth stupid.
gibby08
Posts: 1,581
Apr 8, 2010 11:09pm
OhioStatePride2003 wrote:Welcome back Big Gay Al - funny that you talk about Holmgren's ass, and then it's mentioned that you should be grabbing your ankles to be drilled. Coincidence? I think not. You're so homo and you don't even know it, or do you?Al Capone wrote: Holmgren will say anything to cover his fat ass. He screwed up and knows it. Cleveland could have had McNabb but settled for Wallace and ''pick me'' Delhomme. He knows that you Clown fans are so desperate for a winner, that you'll buy anything he says.
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OhioStatePride2003
Posts: 686
Apr 8, 2010 11:27pm
Hearing on ESPN right now that Marshawn Lynch could be traded from Buffalo. Any chance the Browns show interest in Lynch on draft day?
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OhioStatePride2003
Posts: 686
Apr 8, 2010 11:31pm
Didn't someone make a bet with the Chatter's Big Gay Al? Involving avatars? If so, when Al loses, then this should be his avatar. So fitting. I'm sure he's waiting to reply with something outrageously stupid, promptly followed by rainbow snaps.gibby08 wrote:OhioStatePride2003 wrote:Welcome back Big Gay Al - funny that you talk about Holmgren's ass, and then it's mentioned that you should be grabbing your ankles to be drilled. Coincidence? I think not. You're so homo and you don't even know it, or do you?Al Capone wrote: Holmgren will say anything to cover his fat ass. He screwed up and knows it. Cleveland could have had McNabb but settled for Wallace and ''pick me'' Delhomme. He knows that you Clown fans are so desperate for a winner, that you'll buy anything he says.
gibby08
Posts: 1,581
Apr 8, 2010 11:35pm
Lynch would be a pretty good compliment...but I think he has too much baggage
I would rather see the Browns maybe trade up to get Ryan Mathews or take a guy from this list in the 2nd or later:
Anthony Dixon
Jonathan Dwyer
Jahvid Best
Toby Gerhart
LeGarrette Blount
I would rather see the Browns maybe trade up to get Ryan Mathews or take a guy from this list in the 2nd or later:
Anthony Dixon
Jonathan Dwyer
Jahvid Best
Toby Gerhart
LeGarrette Blount
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big_hits24
Posts: 175
Apr 9, 2010 1:36am
I was a big fan of Dwyer while he was at GT. I'm not sure how good of an NFL back he will be, but he is used to be running up the middle a lot and he is a very physical runner. I like him as well as Dixon and Blount. Even though Blount had his issued at Oregon last year, I think or hope that he can get his act together and mature as he gets to the NFL because I think he could be a decent back. He has the size and doesn't have that bad of speed.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 9, 2010 5:28am
No, I knew you were on the same page as me.pkebker wrote:I'm not sure if you understood me correctly, but I am agreeing with you. I don't see the point of signing a bad player regardless if he is only a 'backup'. I want the backups to be able to step in and give quality minutes, not get our QB's killed. Bad pickup by the BrownsBR1986FB wrote:bkebker....there's a scouting report on Ghiaciuc that I just pm'd you. Basically says he's a light in the pants, "soft" center with minimal leg strength, who got bullrushed by opposing linebackers and couldn't handle big NT's. Teams started to exploit this and their defensive players were frequently in Carson Palmer's hip pocket.pkebker wrote:Yeah I'm not sure why you wouldn't criticize this. You should never want to sign a bad player, regardless if he is a backup or not, if he sucks, I don't want him.BR1986FB wrote:Better hope Mack stays healthy. Would have rather seen them take a flier on a late round rookie than Ghiaciuc.bases_loaded wrote:You're not sure how you feel about them signing a BACKUP center....okkkBR1986FB wrote: Browns sign Ghiaciuc. Not sure how I feel about this. Bengals fans complained that he got tossed around like a throw pillow...
http://cle.scout.com/a.z?s=149&p=9&c=2&cid=960608&nid=4892281&fhn=1