shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Jan 4, 2010 10:53am
trade down get some extra picks and draft right tackle (best available) and taylor mays
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pkebker
Posts: 760
Jan 4, 2010 11:40am
I like the idea of trading down for a RT, but Mays is overrated. There are plenty of better options than MaysEliteRain20 wrote: trade down get some extra picks and draft right tackle (best available) and taylor mays
mucalum49
Posts: 1,639
Jan 4, 2010 12:55pm
I know I wrote Berry should be the #1 priority but I didn't realize he would go so high. Haden would be a good pick as well as McClain. How about Chad Jones from LSU or even Kurt Coleman as a 2/3 round pick?
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Jan 4, 2010 1:02pm
Browns have 7th pick
To whomever said Gruden isn't available this year, I hope you aren't basing that on the fact that he signed an extension with ESPN...money talks.
Cribbs will get signed soon
I think Mangini is history
To whomever said Gruden isn't available this year, I hope you aren't basing that on the fact that he signed an extension with ESPN...money talks.
Cribbs will get signed soon
I think Mangini is history
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BCSbunk
Posts: 972
Jan 4, 2010 1:05pm
Brandon Graham Michigan or Greg Hardy Mississippi in the 2nd round. One of them should be available and excellent selections IMO. Sean Weatherspoon could be available also depending on the combine.
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devil1197
Posts: 6,220
Jan 4, 2010 2:28pm
Taylor Mays is quite possibly the most overrated player in this entire draft.EliteRain20 wrote: trade down get some extra picks and draft right tackle (best available) and taylor mays
Cleveland won't trade down as there will be cornerstone defensive guys readily available at either the LB or CB spot.
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Jan 4, 2010 5:00pm
Yep. At 7 (assuming Berry is gone, which is likely) the Browns may well have their choice of Haden or McClain. Either would have an immediate impact and fill a need.devil1197 wrote:Taylor Mays is quite possibly the most overrated player in this entire draft.EliteRain20 wrote: trade down get some extra picks and draft right tackle (best available) and taylor mays
Cleveland won't trade down as there will be cornerstone defensive guys readily available at either the LB or CB spot.
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BCSbunk
Posts: 972
Jan 4, 2010 5:15pm
How are the Browns getting the 7th pick over Oakland when they are both 5-11 and the Browns won head to head? Is head to head not the first tiebreaker? Nevermind Easier SOS is the first tiebreaker.bases_loaded wrote: Browns have 7th pick
To whomever said Gruden isn't available this year, I hope you aren't basing that on the fact that he signed an extension with ESPN...money talks.
Cribbs will get signed soon
I think Mangini is history
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hrspeedmerchant
Posts: 165
Jan 4, 2010 9:12pm
I beg to differ. The WCO features quick, short passes which is Quinn's forte. This attack also demands a mobile quarterback such as Quinn. Im my opinion Quinn would thrive in this type of offense.KnightRyder wrote:actually running the wco with quinn at the helm could be a bad choice. quinn is far to innaccuratehrspeedmerchant wrote: Mangini should stay, but if Holmgren pushes for the West Coast offense Mangini should be receptive. With the personnel we now have that would be a wise offense to run with Quinn at the helm.
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Sonofanump
Jan 4, 2010 9:18pm
I've said it in other posts, I concur.devil1197 wrote: Taylor Mays is quite possibly the most overrated player in this entire draft.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jan 4, 2010 10:35pm
Browns opponents next year, just to throw that in:
AFC East (Patriots, Jets, @ Dolphins, @ Bills)
NFC South (Falcons, Panthers, @ Saints, @ Buccaneers)
AFC South last place (Jacksonville)
AFC West last place (@ Kansas City)
Plus obviously the division games. Not a schedule that looks especially grueling on paper. A lot of good, but not great teams (this year at least, obviously a year can change a lot in the NFL).
I think it's harder to discuss the draft now until it's known for sure whether Holmgren will make the switch to the 4-3.
AFC East (Patriots, Jets, @ Dolphins, @ Bills)
NFC South (Falcons, Panthers, @ Saints, @ Buccaneers)
AFC South last place (Jacksonville)
AFC West last place (@ Kansas City)
Plus obviously the division games. Not a schedule that looks especially grueling on paper. A lot of good, but not great teams (this year at least, obviously a year can change a lot in the NFL).
I think it's harder to discuss the draft now until it's known for sure whether Holmgren will make the switch to the 4-3.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Jan 5, 2010 4:09am
BCSbunk wrote:How are the Browns getting the 7th pick over Oakland when they are both 5-11 and the Browns won head to head? Is head to head not the first tiebreaker? Nevermind Easier SOS is the first tiebreaker.bases_loaded wrote: Browns have 7th pick
To whomever said Gruden isn't available this year, I hope you aren't basing that on the fact that he signed an extension with ESPN...money talks.
Cribbs will get signed soon
I think Mangini is history
Don't shoot the messenger man, from the NFL office it was Seattle, Cleveland, Oakland. I am guessing when dealing with two teams that have played each other it goes to head to head but when the third team is involved and not all parties have played each other it gets different.
Wooball
Posts: 1,325
Jan 5, 2010 11:21am
I would not be shocked to see Eric Berry still on the board when the Browns draft at #7. You have teams like Seattle and St. Louis that are in need of QB's. There are 2 or 3 high quality OT's in this draft. Plus throw in Suh as well as a couple other dominant DT's and it could be possible that Berry falls to #7. As was mentioned before, safeties are rarely taken before where the Browns will pick this April. Now the question will be if Berry is still there, do the Browns jump on him, or do they use the 7th pick on a "talent scarce" position and wait until round 2 where there will still be quality safeties available?
TigerNation10
Posts: 483
Jan 5, 2010 11:39am
Adrian Peterson fell to #7. I can definitely see teams passing on Berry for more pressing needs.
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devil1197
Posts: 6,220
Jan 5, 2010 11:40am
You don't pass on a guy like Berry, sorry.
Thunder70
Posts: 748
Jan 5, 2010 12:24pm
I think Mangini stays for two reasons.
a) Holmgren won't bring in a new coach for one year (2011 possible lockout)
b) Holmgren already said he won't coach next year.
a) Holmgren won't bring in a new coach for one year (2011 possible lockout)
b) Holmgren already said he won't coach next year.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jan 5, 2010 2:46pm
From the OBR:
The Eagles have granted the Browns permission to interview their GM, Tom Heckert , for the vacant GM job in Cleveland.
KnightRyder
Posts: 1,428
Jan 5, 2010 6:35pm
short passes are quinns forte also along with inaccuracy. the wco relies heavy on yards after the catch. there wont be much of that when receivers are reaching back for balls, pulling then off their shoes . with quinn at the helm the browns will need receivers that can double as olympic gymnasts to succeed. you have to be highly accurate in that system. thats why montana was so successful, his accuracy was uncanny. to be blunt quinn is so inaccurate he couldnt hit water if he fell out of a boathrspeedmerchant wrote:I beg to differ. The WCO features quick, short passes which is Quinn's forte. This attack also demands a mobile quarterback such as Quinn. Im my opinion Quinn would thrive in this type of offense.KnightRyder wrote:actually running the wco with quinn at the helm could be a bad choice. quinn is far to innaccuratehrspeedmerchant wrote: Mangini should stay, but if Holmgren pushes for the West Coast offense Mangini should be receptive. With the personnel we now have that would be a wise offense to run with Quinn at the helm.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Jan 5, 2010 7:07pm
Of the 2 QB's on the roster, Quinn is by far the better choice to run a wco. DA's accuracy on short passes is why he's not the starter now, 5-15 yard passes and the picks that go with them.
If someone has an axe to grind about Quinn they'll never see the differnces between the two, as an observer without an agenda the fact that Quinn is best suited to the WCO of the two is as plain as the Orange on the helmets.
If someone has an axe to grind about Quinn they'll never see the differnces between the two, as an observer without an agenda the fact that Quinn is best suited to the WCO of the two is as plain as the Orange on the helmets.
Thunder70
Posts: 748
Jan 5, 2010 7:39pm
Get rid of them both...
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devil1197
Posts: 6,220
Jan 5, 2010 7:46pm
Great idea.Thunder70 wrote: Get rid of them both...
That will leave us with no QB's heading into next season.
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miller45452003
Posts: 673
Jan 5, 2010 8:53pm
Can you say Matt Hasslebeck (sp.?)?? I could see it happening. He has only 1 year left on his contract worth 5.2mil or in that neighborhood. Holmgren could bring hin into mentor Quinn. Although the guy cant seem to put together an entire healthy season.
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Sonofanump
Jan 5, 2010 9:23pm
From everything I have heard today, it appears that Mangini will hold his own fate today if he is staying or not. I am sure he will be answering questions on the control of the team, type of offense, QB situation, Kokinis, Robiskie and other personnel decisions.
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DaBrowns41
Posts: 1,304
Jan 6, 2010 5:30am
If Heckert ends up getting signed, I think Mangini is out of here. They'll clash, and it won't be pretty.
Heckert was in Cleveland yesterday, as the Browns were VERY busy.
Heckert was in Cleveland yesterday, as the Browns were VERY busy.
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pkebker
Posts: 760
Jan 6, 2010 9:13am
Why would they clash?DaBrowns41 wrote: If Heckert ends up getting signed, I think Mangini is out of here. They'll clash, and it won't be pretty.
Heckert was in Cleveland yesterday, as the Browns were VERY busy.