Pick6
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Mar 18, 2010 11:57pm
T.O.
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miller45452003
Posts: 673
Mar 19, 2010 12:11am
Maybe if Mangini fails this year and Jim Fox heads this way, he'll bring along steve smith..lol
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dat dude
Posts: 1,564
Mar 19, 2010 12:40am
This.Writerbuckeye wrote: How about we wait another year or so before we declare Robiskie a bust? Lots of receivers don't develop overnight in the pros...but turn out to be very productive players within a few years.
Probably would be wise to consider his QBs, as well.
KnightRyder
Posts: 1,428
Mar 19, 2010 12:49am
i wouldnt call Robiskie a bust , i think he somehow got in mangini's dog house. thus limiting his reps and playing time.Writerbuckeye wrote: How about we wait another year or so before we declare Robiskie a bust? Lots of receivers don't develop overnight in the pros...but turn out to be very productive players within a few years.
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big_hits24
Posts: 175
Mar 19, 2010 1:05am
That would be nice if Fox brought along Steve Smith with him haha...That would be a gream come true!
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 19, 2010 5:22am
Too early to consider Robiskie a bust but he WAS a major reach. That whole 2nd round was a clusterfuck. They passed on several better players to get MoMass, Robo & Veikune.
The Veikune selection REALLY pisses me off in that we could have had our RT for the next 10 years in Phil Loadholt when the Vikes picked him 2 spots later.
The Veikune selection REALLY pisses me off in that we could have had our RT for the next 10 years in Phil Loadholt when the Vikes picked him 2 spots later.
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Bluepride13
Posts: 75
Mar 19, 2010 8:07am
I'll go out on a limb here and say that as the Browns get better on offense MoMass will be a top ten receiver in the NFL. People keep bringing up that he cant be a no 1 receiver because of lack of burner speed. Its not about speed, its about seperation and he has that. The kid ave 18.6 yds a catch last year just trying to learn the ropes of being an NFL receicer. On a shit offense to boot. How many other NFL teams had a rookie as their No1 reciever? NONE. This kid is going to be good. ROBO has the tools and brains to get it...but so far hasnt. I agree with some that its way to early to say he's a bust.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 19, 2010 8:29am
Considering the talent at WR in the NFL, I hope you don't weigh a lot because I think that "limb" will break and you'll come crashing to the ground. I think he "could" be a serviceable possession receiver but definitely not elite.
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Bluepride13
Posts: 75
Mar 19, 2010 10:53am
Thats your opinion and that fine but until we put the pieces together to build our offense completely its hard to tell what we have. For a rookie playing as the no 1 wr I think he did very well.BR1986FB wrote: Considering the talent at WR in the NFL, I hope you don't weigh a lot because I think that "limb" will break and you'll come crashing to the ground. I think he "could" be a serviceable possession receiver but definitely not elite.
A good example of a young wr with talent around him is Sidney Rice. His first season in the NFL he had 31 rec and season 2 he had 15. He broke out this year playing on a team with many weapons. An interview with Brett F after a playoff win Brett was asked about Rice. He said "Sidney isnt the fastest guy around but he knows how to get open and with the people around him on this offense he does a great job".
Just sayen lets see what happens with more weapons around him. Dont know how long that will take though.:s
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 19, 2010 11:30am
I must have missed the part of the season when Robiskie was our #1.Bluepride13 wrote:
For a rookie playing as the no 1 wr I think he did very well.
a) he never was the #1 receiver
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b) I wouldn't say his lofty 7 receptions for 106 yards was playing "well."
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 19, 2010 11:49am
Came to light this morning that the Gocong rumors are true and the Browns are interested in acquiring him. They are also trying to work out a deal for Rob Sims but want him for less than the value of the 5th round tender which makes sense. Dude was drafted in the 4th round.
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Mar 19, 2010 11:54am
BR, I believe you've got it wrong. Sims was tendered at the 4th round and the Browns are trying to get him for less (likely one of their 5ths).
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Mar 19, 2010 11:59am
Seahacks want a 4th, Browns willing on a 6th possibly 5th, which, considering he's being held out of participation seems more realistic to me.
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Bluepride13
Posts: 75
Mar 19, 2010 12:17pm
Wasnt referring to ROBO...I was talking about MoMass.BR1986FB wrote:I must have missed the part of the season when Robiskie was our #1.Bluepride13 wrote:
For a rookie playing as the no 1 wr I think he did very well.
a) he never was the #1 receiver
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b) I wouldn't say his lofty 7 receptions for 106 yards was playing "well."
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 19, 2010 12:25pm
Brainfart. I know they tendered him at the 4th and was going to type the 4th but for some reason my dumb ass typed 5th. That's the sticking point. They want to give up a 5th or a later rounder. Guy may be flat out released.Writerbuckeye wrote: BR, I believe you've got it wrong. Sims was tendered at the 4th round and the Browns are trying to get him for less (likely one of their 5ths).
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pkebker
Posts: 760
Mar 19, 2010 1:21pm
What does Philly want for Gocong?
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Mar 19, 2010 1:34pm
Haven't heard yet, rumor just confirmed recently.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 19, 2010 1:44pm
Eagles were looking for a third-round pick, while the Browns were countering with a fifth or sixth.pkebker wrote: What does Philly want for Gocong?
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 19, 2010 6:17pm
OneBuckeye
Posts: 5,888
Mar 19, 2010 6:38pm
Yuck. I don't like the second round pick there. I would be estatic if ford was there in the third
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pkebker
Posts: 760
Mar 19, 2010 9:23pm
Tebow would be a terrible pick in the second round.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 20, 2010 8:43am
http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/14/browns-show-plenty-of-interest-in-clemsons-pro-day/
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20100319/SPORTS/3190340/1018
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/03/the_cleveland_browns_fave_five.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ObrNewswire+%28OBR+Newswire%29
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/schein-AFC-offseason-progress-report?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ObrNewswire+%28OBR+Newswire%29
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20100319/SPORTS/3190340/1018
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/03/the_cleveland_browns_fave_five.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ObrNewswire+%28OBR+Newswire%29
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/schein-AFC-offseason-progress-report?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ObrNewswire+%28OBR+Newswire%29
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miller45452003
Posts: 673
Mar 20, 2010 9:19am
Im glad to see Clausen dropped out of Holmgrens fav top 5.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 20, 2010 2:48pm
Back to Gocong. He is the NCAA all-time leader in sacks and had 42 between his junior & senior year. He was projected as a stud OLB prospect for the 3-4, then the Eagles drafted him for their 4-3. He then lost his reputation as a "sackmaster" (only 4 sacks in 4 years in Philly) and suddenly became good at stopping the run. I think he's in the wrong scheme.
If they pursue him, I think it will be for his run stopping ability (Wimbley sucked at this) and in hopes that his pass rushing prowess will return.
If they pursue him, I think it will be for his run stopping ability (Wimbley sucked at this) and in hopes that his pass rushing prowess will return.
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Eric Taylor
Posts: 602
Mar 20, 2010 3:01pm
Yeah, he would be just horrible in the 2nd round.
That would be a roll of the dice.
Haden and Tebow would be a nice start for Cleveland.
That would be a roll of the dice.
Haden and Tebow would be a nice start for Cleveland.