Dr Winston O'Boogie;1697070 wrote:I don't see what else you do but allow all three of them to compete equally for the starting job. I have a feeling that any of them could play effectively.

Jones will get all of the spring snaps, I can't see Barrett playing in any of the contact spring scrimmages. Miller will be behind them both not getting to throw until the fall. I think that healthiest QB is also the most talented.

bases_loaded;1696916 wrote:We can all agree no matter what QB is playing, the offense is putting up big numbers. Cardale has a cannon for an arm, JT doesn't. JT's big pass plays were short routes that the WR took the distance. Cardale's were passes in the air for 50 yards. Hopefully Cardale will learn to put his hands on the laces though. That fumble against Oregon won't happen if he has the ball by the laces.

JT has a more than sufficient arm. Is it a cannon like Cardale, no, but nobody else in college football has that arm either. You could say that JT's accuracy and anticipation allowed his receivers to break big pass plays.

2015 is Jones' last year at OSU, period. He starts this year, goes pro and then JT steps in. This makes the most sense for Ohio State.

Sonofanump;1697089 wrote:Jones will get all of the spring snaps, I can't see Barrett playing in any of the contact spring scrimmages. Miller will be behind them both not getting to throw until the fall. I think that healthiest QB is also the most talented.

Yeah, when you're dealing with three very talented players who all have shown the ability to lead the teams to wins, I think you have to look at things beyond "who has the most powerful arm?" and stuff like that and get more into things like "who is going to be working with the team all through spring and up until the season?", as familiarity with the line/receivers/backs and not being rusty will be far more important going into the season than figuring out which guy is a half-step ahead of either of the others.

Question: Can you take a medical redshirt before taking a regular redshirt? Why I ask, I've heard several people say that Braxton won't even be able to fully throw until late summer. Can he transfer and take a redshirt year, then play the year after?

Miller was quoted late last week that "he needed to get is shoulder healthy" before he'd entertain thoughts about next fall.

se-alum;1697098 wrote:Question: Can you take a medical redshirt before taking a regular redshirt? Why I ask, I've heard several people say that Braxton won't even be able to fully throw until late summer. Can he transfer and take a redshirt year, then play the year after?

From what I read Miller used his medical redshirt season this year. You have that whole 5 years to complete 4 years of eligiblity.
He would have to get a waiver to get that extra year if he is not ready for this upcoming season.

Ben Mauk had a tough time getting a medical and extra season.

jbook™ @jbook37 · 8s 9 seconds ago

Pete Thamel said he talked to Miller and he wants to play QB but there's a chance that his health may not let him.
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jbook™ @jbook37 · 4m 4 minutes ago

Pete Thamel said Braxton Miller shoulder injury was serious and understated to the point that he may not be able to throw a pass.
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jbook™ @jbook37 · 10m 10 minutes ago

Pete Thamel is as dialed in as you can get.

se-alum;1697098 wrote:Question: Can you take a medical redshirt before taking a regular redshirt? Why I ask, I've heard several people say that Braxton won't even be able to fully throw until late summer. Can he transfer and take a redshirt year, then play the year after?

Miller has actually been throwing the ball for a few weeks. Nothing hard, but he is tossing it around. From what I have read/heard, he is ahead of schedule and working his tail off. So it'll be interesting to see when he is in fact, ready to go full go. I am sure he/they won't rush things though.

se-alum;1697098 wrote:Question: Can you take a medical redshirt before taking a regular redshirt? Why I ask, I've heard several people say that Braxton won't even be able to fully throw until late summer. Can he transfer and take a redshirt year, then play the year after?

No. You have to have used your redshirt before you can take a medical redshirt. I forget where I saw/heard this, but I'm 90% certain.

Scarlet_Buckeye;1697117 wrote:No. You have to have used your redshirt before you can take a medical redshirt. I forget where I saw/heard this, but I'm 90% certain.

Pretty sure that is right.

Can CJ hit a timing pattern or is it hit the open guy?

Can CJ hit a timing pattern or is it hit the open guy?

does it matter? ....three numbers you need to know...59-42-42....against three of the top teams in the country.
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HitsRus;1697186 wrote:does it matter? ....three numbers you need to know...59-42-42....against three of the top teams in the country.
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220-230-246 are the 3 numbers you are forgetting as well. That was his running backs yardages in those games. I agree that Cardale looked good, however Elliott had possibly one of the greatest rushing stretches in NCAA history in that span as well

Did not forget those #'s at all..... The only personnel change in those last 3 games was at QB. EE's #s just "above average" before the change.....skyrockets after the change.

HitsRus;1697309 wrote:Did not forget those #'s at all..... The only personnel change in those last 3 games was at QB. EE's #s just "above average" before the change.....skyrockets after the change.

The running game was different after Barrett went down, and it seems it was a better style for Zeke. Gone were a lot of the read options replaced with counters and traps.

You're right about that Se-alum the offense became much more a North / South attack the middle with Jones while Barrett's offense attacked the perimeters. Good catch, hadn't thought about it quite like that before.

So the offense is slightly better under Jones?...at worst, the offense is not hurt by Jones. Both Jones and JT have nearly identical QB ratings.....albeit a smaller sample under Jones, but without games against weak teams like Kent state, Illinois and Indiana to pad the stats.

wildcats20;1696766 wrote:So this means Braxton is transferring, right?

I don't think it necessarily means he transfers. With TWO surgeries on his throwing shoulder, it'll be tough to comeback and play QB. Braxton needs to face the fact that he is not a NFL caliber QB, but he is a NFL caliber athlete and could play any skills position well. The move to WR/H-back would be perfect for him. Miller could be a deep threat just like Devin Smith was this season, he has the speed and athleticism. He will be on the #1 team in the nation, I think it would be a perfect fit for him.

Footwedge;1696881 wrote:Depth chart next season...

1. Braxton
2. JT
3 Cardale.

No matter what Cardale did...Urban will go right back to this.

I highly doubt Urban would put a QB that hasn't seen the field in a year and that has had TWO surgeries on his throwing shoulder in over JT or Cardale. The QB battle is between Jones and Barrett.

centralbucksfan;1696906 wrote:Not sure this is a smart move on Jones part. Most NFL people say he would go between 2nd and 4/5th round. I think he is taking a huge gamble. I'll gaurantee Meyer made no promises. If Jones doesn't win the starting job, there is no way he would be drafted that high in the future.

I agree that it's a gamble, but I think Cardale knows that it's his job to lose. So long as he does well in the spring and summer practices, he's the starter. The other two will not even be able to compete in spring. Hard to keep the guy on the bench that just stepped in and won the 3 biggest games OSU has played in a decade. And he did it well, had he played all season, who knows how great he could have been. If he continues his play like these past 3 games, he is a top pick per every draft analyst.

bases_loaded;1696907 wrote:Jones added a dimension to the offense that JT couldn't. He took the lid off the defense, which is part of why Elliott ran for 200 yards in the final 3 games. Also Jones is built to play in Urbs offense where the QB gets hit 30 times a game. I agree that Jones probably should've jumped...but maybe he really has turned the corner and his degree is most important to him right now. He can have it by this time next season and NFL scouts will still want his size, arm, etc.

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Terry_Tate;1696915 wrote:Devin Smiths numbers for the year disagree with your assertion that JT couldn't take the lid off a defense. Smith was catching bombs all year from both JT and Cardale.

I'm not sure that's 100% accurate. I read that Devin Smith was thinking of quitting because he wasn't getting the ball as often as he thought he should; once Jones was starting, Smith could do what he does best and stretch the field. Cardale looks downfield more than JT because he can get it down there much better. Not to take away from JT, but Cardale's arm is much much stronger.

Sonofanump;1696925 wrote:The math can be done, but it does not mean anything because:

Ore, Ala, Wis > Cincy, PennSt, et al.
plus the offensive line was completely different in ability from beginning to end of year.

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bases_loaded;1696962 wrote:I just saw on 11w Cris Carter's take on the situation and honestly it makes the most sense...

Braxton starter
Cardale backup

JT transfers(Houston)

JT trasferring makes no sense. Even if he sits next year, Braxton has 1 year left and Cardale has 2. JT still has 3 years left and if Cardale is the starter next year and does well, he bolts for the NFL with his degree in hand and a 1st round assured draft pick. Plus, JT is a team player, he has even said so.

Automatik;1696965 wrote:I don't see how that makes any sense at all, considering JT has the most years of eligibility left. Braxton and Cardale have a year. JT could not be the starter next year and still have 2 years.

Cardale actually has 2 years of eligibility left, he's a Redshirt Sophomore, but I don't see him staying if he starts next season, does well and has his degree, he'll go pro and then JT will have 2 years as a starter left.

I debated with a buddy all week who was positive Cardale was going pro. I just didn't think he would considering in a Tuesday morning press conference he said "I don't think I'm ready yet". The media built this up to a mountain from a mole hill.

I think he had a presser just to give the Ginn Academy some attention and also he knows he is a role model now. He also is building his brand, he's a smart young man. It's a gamble to come back, especially if he doesn't keep the starting job, however if he does and has another great season, he's a top ten draft pick.

We all keep talking about the "3 games". I was arguing with a buddy about which of the 3 was the biggest win....of course most people might say the NCG. I still contend it was the Wisky game which may eventually go down in OSU lore as the greatest win in Buckeye history. I completely believe it was ONLY the complete overwhelming dominance displayed by an underdog in a 59-0 nuke blow-out that gave the committee the balls to let them in. I still think if that game was say a 42-21 or even a 45-17 big win...the committee picks TCU. Alabama & Oregon were already beat by destiny after that game.

dwccrew;1697385 wrote:
I think he had a presser

He didn't "have" the presser, in the sense that it wasn't in his idea. Said so himself on Mike and Mike.

How much did Ol Man Ginn stand to gain if Jones goes pro? You know he was pushing Cardale to pull the trigger. Urban drove up to Cleveburgh ASAP and said don't listen to that Don King wanna be do what YOU want to do...not your Mama, not your baby mama, not the gold chain Thuggers standing behind you.

dwccrew;1697384 wrote:I don't think it necessarily means he transfers. With TWO surgeries on his throwing shoulder, it'll be tough to comeback and play QB. Braxton needs to face the fact that he is not a NFL caliber QB, but he is a NFL caliber athlete and could play any skills position well. The move to WR/H-back would be perfect for him. Miller could be a deep threat just like Devin Smith was this season, he has the speed and athleticism. He will be on the #1 team in the nation, I think it would be a perfect fit for him.



I highly doubt Urban would put a QB that hasn't seen the field in a year and that has had TWO surgeries on his throwing shoulder in over JT or Cardale. The QB battle is between Jones and Barrett.



I agree that it's a gamble, but I think Cardale knows that it's his job to lose. So long as he does well in the spring and summer practices, he's the starter. The other two will not even be able to compete in spring. Hard to keep the guy on the bench that just stepped in and won the 3 biggest games OSU has played in a decade. And he did it well, had he played all season, who knows how great he could have been. If he continues his play like these past 3 games, he is a top pick per every draft analyst.



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I'm not sure that's 100% accurate. I read that Devin Smith was thinking of quitting because he wasn't getting the ball as often as he thought he should; once Jones was starting, Smith could do what he does best and stretch the field. Cardale looks downfield more than JT because he can get it down there much better. Not to take away from JT, but Cardale's arm is much much stronger.



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JT trasferring makes no sense. Even if he sits next year, Braxton has 1 year left and Cardale has 2. JT still has 3 years left and if Cardale is the starter next year and does well, he bolts for the NFL with his degree in hand and a 1st round assured draft pick. Plus, JT is a team player, he has even said so.



Cardale actually has 2 years of eligibility left, he's a Redshirt Sophomore, but I don't see him staying if he starts next season, does well and has his degree, he'll go pro and then JT will have 2 years as a starter left.

Link to Smith thinking about quitting? He averaged the exact same amount of catches per game under Barrett as he did Jones.

se-alum;1697762 wrote:Link to Smith thinking about quitting? He averaged the exact same amount of catches per game under Barrett as he did Jones.

Here ya go; first one is an article that I read, second is a Q & A from Sugar Bowl media day that I also found.


http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/college/football/article5845449.html

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/sugar-bowl-media-day-devin-smith/