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Really Pluto? Based on his 6 quarters? Let's review what Johnny did.

I bottom lined it for you earlier in the thread Wedge...7 quarters.... 10 points...and he got himself hurt.

Nobody is railroading him out of town, by saying he needs work to be an NFL QB. He can't /wouldn't be able to/ and he didn't, throw his shoes on the field and "wreck this league."
Now he isn't going to show us anything this Sunday due to a very poor decision to put his head down and try to get a meaningless yard against a linebacker and a safety in the Carolina game. That means he's going to have to work hard and put more than the minimum in this off season, and show something at training camp and preseason if he wants to be starting QB. This is the NFL. These are the pros, and I would not expect ANYTHING less.

Footwedge is so good at cherry-picking any little detail (usually while using lots of adjectives to overstate his take) that supports his opinion while ignoring all the stuff working against it that, if anything, he should spend more time on the Poli forum, where that's pretty much mandatory if you want to fit in.

Heretic;1689081 wrote:Footwedge is so good at cherry-picking any little detail (usually while using lots of adjectives to overstate his take) that supports his opinion while ignoring all the stuff working against it that, if anything, he should spend more time on the Poli forum, where that's pretty much mandatory if you want to fit in.

You mean Obama coughing during the National Anthem doesn't mean he hates america?

I'm so confused now.

Footwedge is a fucking dumbass I don't know why any of you even respond to his idiocy except to call him out on his intellectual incompetence.

Case Study of Heisman Quarterbacks in the NFL.
Since 1950, 27 quarterbacks have been selected as the Heisman Trophy winner. Of those 27, only 20 started at quarterback in at least one NFL game. Among those 20, only four quarterbacks have a winning record in the NFL (regular season). Robert Griffin III is the only Heisman winner with a career passer rating over 90 in the NFL (90.8). Since 1950, the combined NFL winning percentage for quarterbacks who won the Heisman Trophy is under .500 (480-501-4, .489).

HitsRus;1689076 wrote:I bottom lined it for you earlier in the thread Wedge...7 quarters.... 10 points...and he got himself hurt.

Nobody is railroading him out of town, by saying he needs work to be an NFL QB. He can't /wouldn't be able to/ and he didn't, throw his shoes on the field and "wreck this league."
Now he isn't going to show us anything this Sunday due to a very poor decision to put his head down and try to get a meaningless yard against a linebacker and a safety in the Carolina game. That means he's going to have to work hard and put more than the minimum in this off season, and show something at training camp and preseason if he wants to be starting QB. This is the NFL. These are the pros, and I would not expect ANYTHING less.

Apparently you didn't read Pluto's article today. 6 quarters....he's done. As in outta here.... can't play...finito...horrid...putrid. If Pluto says it, has to be true. Also, Manziel did not get hurt diving for theextra yard. He hurt his hammy on the botched catch by Gordon that was overturned.

Footwedge;1689139 wrote:Apparently you didn't read Pluto's article today. 6 quarters....he's done. As in outta here.... can't play...finito...horrid...putrid. If Pluto says it, has to be true. Also, Manziel did not get hurt diving for theextra yard. He hurt his hammy on the botched catch by Gordon that was overturned.

The play where his footwork was so bad he nearly fell down just throwing the ball?

robj55;1689025 wrote:Give it up man, he's terrible right now. Maybe he will end up being decent but he is a long ways away from being even decent and being able to win games in the NFL. He is easily one of the worst QB's in the league right now.

I just showed you that he isn't terrible. You fall for the same shit everyone else has. Shanahan and Pettine both lauded Manziel for doing some good things.

Moreover, he's a rookie. Down 17 points to Cincy and then he panicked. That second quarter was horrible...but the rest has been fine.

Igvgypridewas absolutely right. Manziel should have been playing the whole season and by now he would be in fine fashion. Instead we were treated to the brian Horror show, and Manziel did not get the needed experience.

Go ahead management...placate the media...placate the masses. Ship Manziel out of here without ever knowing how good he could be.

se-alum;1689142 wrote:The play where his footwork was so bad he nearly fell down just throwing the ball?

Yeah that one...when he pulled his hamstring. Ever pull a hamstring?

Then what the hell was he doing running a sprint out to the left on first and ten?....why didn't he just run out of bounds instead of taking on 500 pounds of defense running at full speed? Usually a good idea to let your trainer and coach know you tweaked a hammy.

That said, Johnny is done for the year, and I look forward to see him EARN his spot next year.
I also see this as an opportunity to see Connor Shaw and what he can do. Could be pretty interesting next year if he finds a way to beat the Ratbirds.

Footwedge;1689143 wrote:I just showed you that he isn't terrible. You fall for the same shit everyone else has. Shanahan and Pettine both lauded Manziel for doing some good things.

Moreover, he's a rookie. Down 17 points to Cincy and then he panicked. That second quarter was horrible...but the rest has been fine.

Igvgypridewas absolutely right. Manziel should have been playing the whole season and by now he would be in fine fashion. Instead we were treated to the brian Horror show, and Manziel did not get the needed experience.

Go ahead management...placate the media...placate the masses. Ship Manziel out of here without ever knowing how good he could be.

No the rest has not been fine, he isn't putting points on the board and is struggling to even move the chains and get first downs. He is not ready to play QB in the NFL, doesn't have the skill set.

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awesome believer...best one yet!

It just funny. 3 weeks ago footwedge and iggy were saying how Manziel was going to come in, lead us to three straight wins we'd miss the playoffs, all of Cleveland would be calling for pettines head and all us OCers would be crawling back to iggy and footwedge asking for forgiveness. Oh how two weeks can change everything. Now it's Manziel needs years. I in no way hate JFF love the guy and hope he pans out. But you two sucking his dick on how great he was going to be, just makes me laugh. It took you two weeks to comeback here, that makes me laugh too.

Is that your way of saying Footwedge is mentally retarded? Not sure there needs to be any clarification on that

shook_17;1689358 wrote:It just funny. 3 weeks ago footwedge and iggy were saying how Manziel was going to come in, lead us to three straight wins we'd miss the playoffs, all of Cleveland would be calling for pettines head and all us OCers would be crawling back to iggy and footwedge asking for forgiveness. Oh how two weeks can change everything. Now it's Manziel needs years. I in no way hate JFF love the guy and hope he pans out. But you two sucking his dick on how great he was going to be, just makes me laugh. It took you two weeks to comeback here, that makes me laugh too.

Did you wear your skirt today? Remember how you felt the need to apologize to the masses here whenever you stated how excite you were to watch Manziel start his first game?

Manziel will eventually wreck this league, but I doubt if he gets the opportunity to do it here. If he does play here next year, he needs to work on sprinting down the field and catching his own passes. I've never seen so many perfectly thrown throws dropped on third down. In 13 games, Hoyer had what? 5 dropped balls? With the way the o line played, the receivers played and the way the defense played, it was almost as if Joe Thomas sent out an internal memo to make sure the rookie quarterback looked bad.

Manziel over his 6 quarters was 13 for 28. His numbers should have been a respectable 17 for 28....with a lot more production coming after 4 third down conversions.

robj55;1689150 wrote:No the rest has not been fine, he isn't putting points on the board and is struggling to even move the chains and get first downs. He is not ready to play QB in the NFL, doesn't have the skill set.

I clearly pointed out that it was much more than Manziel that was responsible for the offensive ineptness. You can believe whatever you want to. I cited 5 examples of how superstar quarterbacks started their career worse than Manziel. I could site 5 more if you want. Should have rookie head coach, Chuck Nol,l shit canned Terry Bradshaw after his first year? He threw 6 TD's and 24 picks. His completion percentage was 38%. Was he "ready to play in the NFL"?

The biggest common denominator with Bradshaw/s performance and Manziel's performance is that they both played for pathetically bad offenses. Oh BTW. Bradshaw's bust is in Canton...and he retired with a 4-0 record in Super Bowls.

Footwedge;1689530 wrote:I clearly pointed out that it was much more than Manziel that was responsible for the offensive ineptness. You can believe whatever you want to. I cited 5 examples of how superstar quarterbacks started their career worse than Manziel. I could site 5 more if you want. Should have rookie head coach, Chuck Nol,l shit canned Terry Bradshaw after his first year? He threw 6 TD's and 24 picks. His completion percentage was 38%. Was he "ready to play in the NFL"?

The biggest common denominator with Bradshaw/s performance and Manziel's performance is that they both played for pathetically bad offenses. Oh BTW. Bradshaw's bust is in Canton...and he retired with a 4-0 record in Super Bowls.

Digging deep there bringing out Bradshaw.
The steelers were horrible before the arrival of that nucleus of players. To compare the two..........eh, you are out in left field with this one.

but if you seem to think the browns front office will bring in a HoF coach, HoF QB, HoF RB, 2 HoF Wr's, 4 HoF defenders, a HoF center, to surround Jhonny Futbol and bring 4 SB's then more power to ya.

The one thing I don't want, is for the Browns to waste one or both of their 2 first round picks on another QB.

Anybody excited to see what Connor Shaw can do? I don't have great expectations, but it'll be good to give him a look.

HitsRus;1689540 wrote:The one thing I don't want, is for the Browns to waste one or both of their 2 first round picks on another QB.

Anybody excited to see what Connor Shaw can do? I don't have great expectations, but it'll be good to give him a look.

Stranger things have happened, but I doubt many other than his family and friends should be excited to see what he can do.

HitsRus;1689540 wrote:The one thing I don't want, is for the Browns to waste one or both of their 2 first round picks on another QB.

Anybody excited to see what Connor Shaw can do? I don't have great expectations, but it'll be good to give him a look.

I bet he looks more like an NFL QB than Manziel did in his first start.

se-alum;1689551 wrote:I bet he looks more like an NFL QB than Manziel did in his first start.

And then I bet certain people will find ways to spin all that to the all-encompassing anti-Manziel conspiracy, since apparently to them, his struggles were the fault of the coaches, receivers, line and basically anyone down on the field that wasn't him.

thavoice;1689545 wrote:Stranger things have happened, but I doubt many other than his family and friends should be excited to see what he can do.

Wedge listed several NFL QBs that had worse starts than JFF....

Here are a few QBs that were undrafted, much like Connor Shaw.....
Kurt Warner, Warren Moon, Dave Krieg, Tony Romo.
.... Nothing to lose in hoping for catching lightning in a bottle.