Honestly, I think Pettine has played it well, had he started Manziel and lost yesterday, there would have been way more people questioning him than did when he named Hoyer the starter. Hoyer's performance now makes it easy for Pettine to start Manziel and being questioned very little about it.

Also, Pettine made the point that you don't change QB's when your team is winning.

Lol, so Hoyer has relatives in the town where I went to high school and there's a snitch of sorts who tags one of his relatives in every post, and they come on and flip out because people are dogging Hoyer.

Anyone watch the presser?

se-alum;1684182 wrote:Honestly, I think Pettine has played it well, had he started Manziel and lost yesterday, there would have been way more people questioning him than did when he named Hoyer the starter.

That was Andrew Sharp's (Grantland) point and I agree. Now he can play Manziel and tell Hoyer to GFH.

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1684196 wrote:Anyone watch the presser?

I listened to it. Pettine sounded like a change would be made. Also, of some interest, Jordan Cameron took responsibility for the interception in the endzone, and Pettine also said that was the case. Just goes to show that fans aren't really aware of a lot of things that happen, and who is and isn't doing their jobs correctly.

I have been calling him a locker room cancer since training camp. He's the biggest primadonna in the history of Cleveland sports.

They should cut him now. He deserves the embarrassment.

No player has thrown more people under the bus than Hoyer. Let he and his agent have it.

[h=4]Hoyer: "Someone needs to make a play on offense"[/h]

I have no words after reading that kind of comment. Please cut him. Now. Anyone this delusional shouldn't be in the Cleveland Browns locker room.

Daryl Ruiter ‏@RuiterWrongFAN 10m 10 minutes ago
"When ur having a game where there's some inconsistencies & not everyone's doing their job on every play u need that 1 player to make a play" - Hoyer

Daryl Ruiter ‏@RuiterWrongFAN 14m 14 minutes ago
"When you're not being perfect you need 1 guy to step up and make a big play and we didn't have that yesterday" - Hoyer

Daryl Ruiter ‏@RuiterWrongFAN 15m 15 minutes ago
"When 10 guys do their job right & 1 doesn't it can really affect the play...everybody's gotta be able to step up" - Hoyer

Daryl Ruiter ‏@RuiterWrongFAN 17m 17 minutes ago
"It's crazy how fast things change; 4/5 weeks ago we're talking about contract talks & now we're talking about if I'm going to stay here" - Hoyer

Daryl Ruiter ‏@RuiterWrongFAN 21m 21 minutes ago
"It's gonna always be a constant work in progress when you have limited reps & that's all I'll say about that" -Hoyer on chemistry w/ Gordon

Daryl Ruiter ‏@RuiterWrongFAN 24m 24 minutes ago
"I don't think I'm playing any differently (than earlier this year); I don't have a different mindset" - Hoyer

IggyPride00;1684212 wrote:Daryl Ruiter ‏@RuiterWrongFAN 10m 10 minutes ago
"When ur having a game where there's some inconsistencies & not everyone's doing their job on every play u need that 1 player to make a play" - Hoyer

Daryl Ruiter ‏@RuiterWrongFAN 14m 14 minutes ago
"When you're not being perfect you need 1 guy to step up and make a big play and we didn't have that yesterday" - Hoyer

Daryl Ruiter ‏@RuiterWrongFAN 15m 15 minutes ago
"When 10 guys do their job right & 1 doesn't it can really affect the play...everybody's gotta be able to step up" - Hoyer

Daryl Ruiter ‏@RuiterWrongFAN 17m 17 minutes ago
"It's crazy how fast things change; 4/5 weeks ago we're talking about contract talks & now we're talking about if I'm going to stay here" - Hoyer

Daryl Ruiter ‏@RuiterWrongFAN 21m 21 minutes ago
"It's gonna always be a constant work in progress when you have limited reps & that's all I'll say about that" -Hoyer on chemistry w/ Gordon

Daryl Ruiter ‏@RuiterWrongFAN 24m 24 minutes ago
"I don't think I'm playing any differently (than earlier this year); I don't have a different mindset" - Hoyer

Wow... makes himself sound like a real douche there.

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1684196 wrote:Anyone watch the presser?

Listened and the sickening part? No discussion of replacing the kicker, so far.

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1684214 wrote:Wow... makes himself sound like a real douche there.

Hoyer is a douche. Must have picked up that douchiness from Tom Brady. I still can't figure out how he can think he's playing well. Statistically one of, if not the worst in the league.

Hoyer defended his play on Monday, saying no one on the Browns roster made enough plays to beat the Colts yesterday.
This dude can fuck off. I hope multiple defensive players take giant shits in his car.

se-alum;1684204 wrote:I listened to it. Pettine sounded like a change would be made. Also, of some interest, Jordan Cameron took responsibility for the interception in the endzone, and Pettine also said that was the case. Just goes to show that fans aren't really aware of a lot of things that happen, and who is and isn't doing their jobs correctly.

Just because Pettine and Jordan deflected the blame on that play, it doesn't change the fact that Hoyer threw the ball into double coverage and a blanketed receiver. That falls squarely on the quarterback.

se-alum;1684182 wrote:Honestly, I think Pettine has played it well, had he started Manziel and lost yesterday, there would have been way more people questioning him than did when he named Hoyer the starter. Hoyer's performance now makes it easy for Pettine to start Manziel and being questioned very little about it.

Also, Pettine made the point that you don't change QB's when your team is winning.

Um....they wouldn't have lost if he did the right thing and started Manziel. Browns win something like 37-20. To suggest that he played it well is asinine. The stuborn man has ruined the season. And...to say that you don't change quarterbacks when you are winning is another quality of being a loser.

If the tribe scores 8 runs in the first inning and Ubaldo Jiminez gives up 6 runs in the first 2 innings, you get his ass out right away.

se-alum;1684182 wrote:Honestly, I think Pettine has played it well, had he started Manziel and lost yesterday, there would have been way more people questioning him than did when he named Hoyer the starter. Hoyer's performance now makes it easy for Pettine to start Manziel and being questioned very little about it.

Also, Pettine made the point that you don't change QB's when your team is winning.

If he's making decisions based on whether "people would be questioning him" and not on what is necessary for the team to win a crucial game, then he is a terrible coach....so that is not "playing it well".

I've commented earlier on that point about "don't change QBs when your team is winning".

That is, at best, a GUIDELINE....not a rule to be followed blindly. Anyone who would follow that as a hard fast rule at the expense of his team's winning is a fool. What happened to a package of plays that JFF was supposed to have? He could have run Manziel out there once ,twice, three times during that game without REALLY changing QBs, if for no other reason than to keep Indy guessing a bit and getting them back on their heals. Instead he did Indy a favor, and let one of the league's worst defenses settle in and stifle one of the most unoriginal, unimaginative game plans that could have been devised. How many times do you have to watch multiple drives that went nowhere and come to the conclusion that something else needed to be done? The bottom line is that he lost that game because his QB was totally ineffective and he refused to use available options that might have prevented that.

the length that some people will go to defend Hoyer is baffling to me.

Off Footwedge making the comparison to the Tribe game and Hits comments (of which I agree whole heartedly)........I will add this:

"You don't change quarterbacks when you are winning"...........dude, the first 3 TD's.....2 were scored by the defense. And you are barely hanging on at that point.

It is also baffling to me, Pick6!

JJ Watt has scored more touchdowns over the past 5 weeks than Hoyer.

(COA just busted his nut with that little nugget)

Pick6;1684257 wrote:the length that some people will go to defend Hoyer is baffling to me.

Who is defending him? The guy has been fucking awful

Pick6;1684257 wrote:the length that some people will go to defend Hoyer is baffling to me.

Said Dion Waiters' biggest defender.

Mulva;1684580 wrote:Said Dion Waiters' biggest defender.

Dion actually has talent.

Pick6;1684618 wrote:Dion actually has talent.

Wrong thread...take it over there.