shook_17;1680957 wrote:Biggest Browns game to date, Mike Pettiness biggest coaching decision to date. Does Hoyer or Manziel start? I think/hope Manziel gets the nod, help give the team a shot in the arm. Gordon can be his Mike Evans. Colts have the 23rd ranked defense, so we know we need to score touchdowns not field goals. Saw a stat yesterday, in the last 7 games the Browns D has forced 17 turnovers and only converted three into touchdowns, which is unacceptable.

If Manziel starts

Colts 24
Browns 27

if Hoyer starts

Colts 30
Browns 10

You are assuming the team wants Manziel....I am not sure that is the case. I would bet the line does not want him...you never know where Johnny will be and it is hard to block for that.

rrfan;1681141 wrote:You are assuming the team wants Manziel....I am not sure that is the case. I would bet the line does not want him...you never know where Johnny will be and it is hard to block for that.

You block for where the QB is supposed to be, just like you make the hole for the RB where it is supposed to be. If they dont follow where they are supposed to go it is on them and the coaching staff knows who is in the wrong. The avg fan may not, but to those that matter it will.

If the Browns can't run the ball, it doesn't matter who starts.

You are assuming the team wants Manziel....I am not sure that is the case.

I'm pretty sure Josh Gordon wants Manziel....you could see the frustration in his face several times Sunday.

Browns will start Johnny and in one of the most exciting Cleveland sports events in decades, the Browns will win a shootout ...something like 38-34. Next week's Bengals game will by default be the biggest game in the new Browns era, sans maybe the playoff loss to Pittsburgh in 02. It is the perfect storm for the rookie to step in and do his thing. No more bog downs in the red zone. No more stacking the box with 8 people. Most importantly.... no more dirtballs and air balls when Shanahan's schemes get receivers 10 yards in the clear.

Just licking my chops thinking about the play action boot for Johnny who will buy 5, 6, 7 seconds to find Hawk, Gabriel, Benjamin or Gordon.

Jr. and I will be there and it's "wreck this league" time for Johnny.

HitsRus;1681154 wrote:I'm pretty sure Josh Gordon wants Manziel....you could see the frustration in his face several times Sunday.

Gordon made this pretty clear in the preseason.

Footwedge;1681159 wrote:Browns will start Johnny and in one of the most exciting Cleveland sports events in decades, the Browns will win a shootout ...something like 38-34. Next week's Bengals game will by default be the biggest game in the new Browns era, sans maybe the playoff loss to Pittsburgh in 02. It is the perfect storm for the rookie to step in and do his thing. No more bog downs in the red zone. No more stacking the box with 8 people. Most importantly.... no more dirtballs and air balls when Shanahan's schemes get receivers 10 yards in the clear.

Just licking my chops thinking about the play action boot for Johnny who will buy 5, 6, 7 seconds to find Hawk, Gabriel, Benjamin or Gordon.

Jr. and I will be there and it's "wreck this league" time for Johnny.

You have a son? Poor guy.


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Don't know what the hell Goldhammer's pro Hoyer poll is all about. Here is the results of the online poll I just voted in...

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/12/johnny_manziel_or_brian_hoyer.html

Footwedge;1681170 wrote:Don't know what the hell Goldhammer's pro Hoyer poll is all about. Here is the results of the online poll I just voted in...

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/12/johnny_manziel_or_brian_hoyer.html

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/polls

Goldhammer's poll is national where the one dumbass posted was from Cleveland.

like_that;1681168 wrote:You have a son? Poor guy.

Beat me to it. My first thought was "this dude procreated? oh god"

lhslep134;1681177 wrote:Beat me to it. My first thought was "this dude procreated? oh god"

Bet he's good at math. :rolleyes:

Little piece on the changes coming to the Browns helmet in 2015. I kinda like the second part......

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2014/12/02/two-little-changes-coming-to-the-browns-helmets-in-2015-uniform-redesign

Browns depth chart has an asterisk at QB and says "TBA" fwiw

BR1986FB;1681178 wrote:Bet he's good at math. :rolleyes:

Does he know there's a city called Baltimore?

BR1986FB;1681179 wrote:Little piece on the changes coming to the Browns helmet in 2015. I kinda like the second part......

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2014/12/02/two-little-changes-coming-to-the-browns-helmets-in-2015-uniform-redesign

Leave it alone.

HitsRus;1681266 wrote:Leave it alone.

I second this.

BRF;1681270 wrote:I second this.

They should do Orange Jerseys, Brown pants. Thats the only change they should fucking make.

The Browns tried out two kickers today, Michael Barnard and Zach Hocker.

Good.

Commander of Awesome;1681288 wrote:The Browns tried out two kickers today, Michael Barnard and Zach Hocker.

Good.

And this could be intriguing....

http://fansided.com/2014/12/01/highly-coveted-cfl-star-duron-carter-visit-cleveland-browns/

If already posted, my bad. Just saw it's 24 hours old....

Also heard that Hoyer sent out a tweet implying he'd be starting against Indy. I haven't found anything but will puke if I do....

BR1986FB;1681298 wrote:Also heard that Hoyer sent out a tweet implying he'd be starting against Indy. I haven't found anything but will puke if I do....

He hasn't tweeted since October. Highly doubt it happened.

Also, Duron Carter can't even be signed til February. I don't see the point in bringing him in?

Manzier will dump a pile of poo taller than he is...ehh ok that one merits a thread ban but I enjoyed it. Cya morons.

Start Manziel, and let Hoyer know that he needs to be ready to go at any moment. Hoyer as a backup in case Johnny gets hurt isn't a bad thing.

wildcats20;1681303 wrote:
Also, Duron Carter can't even be signed til February. I don't see the point in bringing him in?

Just about to post this.