RedRider1;1693189 wrote:How much hard work does it take to overcome schools with twice the enrollment as us?

Let me answer that question with a question...How much work is actually being done by the players? There is a great weight room out there and they are not doing what they need to do grow and get strong. That is more directed to the football players but it helps in every sport. The players are not strong and that is on them. It takes extra effort to win on Fridays and they are not doing it.

One of the players parents who is supposedly fed up with the staff out there and looking to transfer needs to look in the mirror with his kid. They need to realize they are not putting in the time. You may not have the numbers that some other schools do...but being strong is a choice and they choose it is to hard.

RedRider1;1693007 wrote:Happy to hear the trail hasn't grown cold in the search for a new league. Sounds like Indian Valley & Tusky Valley have been invited to a new league and that may in turn create 2 openings in the PAC.

Per our AD, the average travel time to an OCC game is 41 minutes, it's 21 minutes if us & Northwest join the PAC. That's a lot of savings in fuel over the course of hundreds of middle school and high school events.

Average OCC enrollment in 10th - 12th grade is 396, in the PAC it would be something like 250.

Needs to happen. Someone buy Jim France at Manchester a new car or something and get his blessing on us joining the league. He's the main problem.

Crowds at home and away contests would be better and we'd be playing teams our size.....and with 8 teams per region making the playoffs in football, the days of us needing to "play up" are over.

As a sports fan who follows OCC sports but not from Orrville, I wish the Red Riders would just leave so we would not have to hear of all this whining about the conference. Everything was okay when athletes were walking the Orrville halls but now that families are starting to take their kids elsewhere it has become "Oh tiny me". Had you not flexed your muscles over the Wayne County schools when you had those athletes thru the years they may have accepted you but that won't happen any time soon. The situation you are in is a result of your own doing.

Put a number to the amount of money spent in travel for OCC contest for the additional 20 miles so we can see how little or how much it really is. Truth be know the travel in not the concern. It's the lack of ability to compete for conference titles in almost every sport. The schools have not moved so the travel is the same as it has always been. The bus ride was okay 25 years ago when you joined the OHC and 20 years ago when you joined the OCC.

Makes sense to make a move with enrollment changing but be honest with everyone for the reason.

An-Old-Fan;1693297 wrote:As a sports fan who follows OCC sports but not from Orrville, I wish the Red Riders would just leave so we would not have to hear of all this whining about the conference. Everything was okay when athletes were walking the Orrville halls but now that families are starting to take their kids elsewhere it has become "Oh tiny me". Had you not flexed your muscles over the Wayne County schools when you had those athletes thru the years they may have accepted you but that won't happen any time soon. The situation you are in is a result of your own doing.

Put a number to the amount of money spent in travel for OCC contest for the additional 20 miles so we can see how little or how much it really is. Truth be know the travel in not the concern. It's the lack of ability to compete for conference titles in almost every sport. The schools have not moved so the travel is the same as it has always been. The bus ride was okay 25 years ago when you joined the OHC and 20 years ago when you joined the OCC.

Makes sense to make a move with enrollment changing but be honest with everyone for the reason.

You won't want to hear the crying if they are able to switch conferences and still get their teeth kicked in. Making the competition easier does not mean you can skip the work! Kids have been skipping the work for a few years now and it is showing up. Would we be great???No but you would compete. Start making the weight room your friend boys!

An-Old-Fan;1693297 wrote:As a sports fan who follows OCC sports but not from Orrville, I wish the Red Riders would just leave so we would not have to hear of all this whining about the conference. Everything was okay when athletes were walking the Orrville halls but now that families are starting to take their kids elsewhere it has become "Oh tiny me". Had you not flexed your muscles over the Wayne County schools when you had those athletes thru the years they may have accepted you but that won't happen any time soon. The situation you are in is a result of your own doing.

Put a number to the amount of money spent in travel for OCC contest for the additional 20 miles so we can see how little or how much it really is. Truth be know the travel in not the concern. It's the lack of ability to compete for conference titles in almost every sport. The schools have not moved so the travel is the same as it has always been. The bus ride was okay 25 years ago when you joined the OHC and 20 years ago when you joined the OCC.

Makes sense to make a move with enrollment changing but be honest with everyone for the reason.

The honest reason has a lot to do with $$. Gates suck. Our fans aren't going to travel to watch our kids get outmanned & home gates stink because half the league is an hour away.

Football is the biggest $$ sport for most schools too.

rrfan;1693314 wrote:You won't want to hear the crying if they are able to switch conferences and still get their teeth kicked in. Making the competition easier does not mean you can skip the work! Kids have been skipping the work for a few years now and it is showing up. Would we be great???No but you would compete. Start making the weight room your friend boys!

Just a few years?

Why has it changed so suddenly? Soft kids? Coaches letting kids get away with it? Participation in Other sports?

I still say that 30 kids on a football team with no "standout" athletes will struggle no matter the amount of weights lifted.

RedRider1;1693328 wrote:Just a few years?

Why has it changed so suddenly? Soft kids? Coaches letting kids get away with it? Participation in Other sports?

I still say that 30 kids on a football team with no "standout" athletes will struggle no matter the amount of weights lifted.

Soft Kids....check, Soft parents....check, Coaches can't make the kids put the time in over the summer...why because the stupid parents would complain they are to hard on poor Johnny Cupcake! It is pathetic and yes I am fired up because these kids have been given everything and work for nothing.

RedRider1;1693320 wrote:The honest reason has a lot to do with $$. Gates suck. Our fans aren't going to travel to watch our kids get outmanned & home gates stink because half the league is an hour away.

Football is the biggest $$ sport for most schools too.

Okay, so it's not travel, can we put an end to that cry. The travel habits of your fans to away games will not increase your $$. Truth is gates suck at a lot of schools and it has very little to do with travel distance of the OCC. Clear Fork may take an hour but all other are less and the Colts travel well. Wooster may have the lowest attendance from what I have seen and they are the closest.

The honest reason is internal and not the OCC. "The first step in fixing a problem is admitting there is one".

An-Old-Fan;1693671 wrote:Okay, so it's not travel, can we put an end to that cry. The travel habits of your fans to away games will not increase your $$. Truth is gates suck at a lot of schools and it has very little to do with travel distance of the OCC. Clear Fork may take an hour but all other are less and the Colts travel well. Wooster may have the lowest attendance from what I have seen and they are the closest.

The honest reason is internal and not the OCC. "The first step in fixing a problem is admitting there is one".

I am admitting it! We have a bunch of kids that don't want to work hard. They will grow up to be on all the entitlement programs the government keeps putting out there.

As a sports fan who follows OCC sports but not from Orrville, I wish the Red Riders would just leave so we would not have to hear of all this whining about the conference. Everything was okay when athletes were walking the Orrville halls but now that families are starting to take their kids elsewhere it has become "Oh tiny me". Had you not flexed your muscles over the Wayne County schools when you had those athletes thru the years they may have accepted you but that won't happen any time soon. The situation you are in is a result of your own doing.

Put a number to the amount of money spent in travel for OCC contest for the additional 20 miles so we can see how little or how much it really is. Truth be know the travel in not the concern. It's the lack of ability to compete for conference titles in almost every sport. The schools have not moved so the travel is the same as it has always been. The bus ride was okay 25 years ago when you joined the OHC and 20 years ago when you joined the OCC.

Makes sense to make a move with enrollment changing but be honest with everyone for the reason.

So where ARE you from???? Did you participate in sports? No offense but your post does not sound like one derived from logic and reasoning but anger and resentment? Orrville had some pretty successful years while competing as an independent as well. That was when we COULDN'T get WCS to participate with us and HAD to play up. Our success is why we had to play up? It isn't like we woke up one day and said "hey, lets play all these bigger schools for fun because we are so great"?

It has simply been the perfect storm in Orrville over the last few years. LOTS of things having a effect on the program. We will be fine either way. Just gonna take some time.

Also I think MOST of our success came while in the AOL conference and as an independent... Just sayin...

In football news: Orrville v Wooster has been moved back to Friday night per the schedule that's listed on the OHSAA website.

That's a few years late. I get the 100th game being on a Saturday, but it should have been back to Friday the very next year.

RedRider1;1693863 wrote:In football news: Orrville v Wooster has been moved back to Friday night per the schedule that's listed on the OHSAA website.

That's a few years late. I get the 100th game being on a Saturday, but it should have been back to Friday the very next year.

Yep!

RedRider1;1693863 wrote:In football news: Orrville v Wooster has been moved back to Friday night per the schedule that's listed on the OHSAA website.

That's a few years late. I get the 100th game being on a Saturday, but it should have been back to Friday the very next year.

Orrville will love having that extra day to prepare for the playoffs once RRN is hired as coach...

sanitizer;1693836 wrote:So where ARE you from???? Did you participate in sports? No offense but your post does not sound like one derived from logic and reasoning but anger and resentment? Orrville had some pretty successful years while competing as an independent as well. That was when we COULDN'T get WCS to participate with us and HAD to play up. Our success is why we had to play up? It isn't like we woke up one day and said "hey, lets play all these bigger schools for fun because we are so great"?

It has simply been the perfect storm in Orrville over the last few years. LOTS of things having a effect on the program. We will be fine either way. Just gonna take some time.

Not from Orrville. Played multiple sports in high school. Not sure the next sentence is a question but there is no anger or resentment, just tired of hearing the whining about travel. Orrville has had plenty of success, I agree. Question is why are they not now? Your use of the ??? is hard to translate. You can schedule whom ever you like, I don't care, I attend sporting events because I like watching games. But don't blame the TRAVEL for a need to leave the OCC.

An-Old-Fan;1694018 wrote:Orrville has had plenty of success, I agree. Question is why are they not now?

Very few male athletes walking the halls these days. And when I say "athletes", I mean athletes!!

As to OCC travel times...they suck and it DOES affect gate $$'s.

Not from Orrville. Played multiple sports in high school. Not sure the next sentence is a question but there is no anger or resentment, just tired of hearing the whining about travel. Orrville has had plenty of success, I agree. Question is why are they not now? Your use of the ??? is hard to translate. You can schedule whom ever you like, I don't care, I attend sporting events because I like watching games. But don't blame the TRAVEL for a need to leave the OCC.

Perhaps you had trouble translating the question mark but you answered the question just fine?????? LOL (joking) Just clarifying that is all, I see you are NOT from Orrville but where are you from? Local area? There are a number of factors at play that are having an impact on sports in general in the Ville and travel is probably one of them. Given if we were winning travel would be less of a factor but when things are tough everything gets evaluated. As it should. Gonna be a hard few years in the old town.

Stay the course fellas! Nothing good is easy!

Old Rider;1694088 wrote:Very few male athletes walking the halls these days. And when I say "athletes", I mean athletes!!

As to OCC travel times...they suck and it DOES affect gate $$'s.

And the few we have are not working and leading...double whammy.

sanitizer;1693839 wrote:Also I think MOST of our success came while in the AOL conference and as an independent... Just sayin...

Exactly. One thing that was a given with all of those Orrville teams is how prepared they were for the postseason after their regular season. I'm hearing that it's just a matter of time until the announcement comes officially moving Orrville to the PAC. Orrville will definitely win some more football games now, but the days of getting in at 6-4 or 7-3 are probably over. I fear the days of being over prepared for the postseason in every sport might be over as well. Will the Red Riders go back to beefing up their non conference schedule in basketball, or continue to play a WCAL non league schedule? Playing a weaker schedule doesn't mean the team is any better. It will sell tickets and drive up excitement for some though.

187xovr;1694226 wrote:Exactly. One thing that was a given with all of those Orrville teams is how prepared they were for the postseason after their regular season. I'm hearing that it's just a matter of time until the announcement comes officially moving Orrville to the PAC. Orrville will definitely win some more football games now, but the days of getting in at 6-4 or 7-3 are probably over. I fear the days of being over prepared for the postseason in every sport might be over as well. Will the Red Riders go back to beefing up their non conference schedule in basketball, or continue to play a WCAL non league schedule? Playing a weaker schedule doesn't mean the team is any better. It will sell tickets and drive up excitement for some though.

I will not believe that until I see it...

Orrville joining the PAC would be a serious blow to some Orrville alumn's egos...

$$ is down at most places and fan support is declining almost everywhere but IMO Orrville wants a new league because they are losing games and SOME are trying to blame it on travel which is bogus. Not one school in the OCC has the same ticket sales for any sport it did 10 years ago but the travel is the same. I do hope the Riders find a better home.

An-Old-Fan;1694360 wrote:$$ is down at most places and fan support is declining almost everywhere but IMO Orrville wants a new league because they are loosing games and SOME are trying to blame it on travel which is bogus. NOt one school in the OCC has the same ticket sales for any sport it did 10 years ago but the travel is the same. I do hope the Riders find a better home.

Amen! All we are doing is taking a bad Rider team and putting them where a lesser team can win some games. Not fixing any problems.

CCRolly;1694349 wrote:Orrville joining the PAC would be a serious blow to some Orrville alumn's egos...

Why do you say that?? The PAC is almost a mirror image of the old AOL. Triway, Fairless, and Manchester (already in the PAC) were in the AOL. Add Northwest and Orrville and that would be 5 teams from the former league. I think its a great fit.

Old Rider;1694377 wrote:Why do you say that?? The PAC is almost a mirror image of the old AOL. Triway, Fairless, and Manchester (already in the PAC) were in the AOL. Add Northwest and Orrville and that would be 5 teams from the former league. I think its a great fit.

I don't see it happening....