Pick6;1716153 wrote:Wasn't the question

It wasn't not the question, either.

Pick6;1716149 wrote:Cleveland fans annoy me with their jinx shit sometimes. How many games did they win this year ('96)?

sports Illustrated cover jinx is legendary and not strictly Cleveland...

here is a list of the top ten....not a Cleveland one in the bunch.
http://www.rantsports.com/clubhouse/2014/10/07/top-10-cases-of-the-si-cover-jinx/

here's a recent one.....August 18th 2014

They've also had 60+ covers a year for like 60 years. Jordan has been on 50 of them and I'm pretty sure he wasn't cursed.

Pick6;1716149 wrote:Cleveland fans annoy me with their jinx shit sometimes. How many games did they win this year ('96)?

Makes sense, considering you are not a cleveland fan.

Pick6;1716149 wrote:Cleveland fans annoy me with their jinx shit sometimes. How many games did they win this year ('96)?

...not enough to "roll over everyone - including the Braves" as claimed on this cover.

I think they won 99 games and lost in the playoffs to Baltimore.

like_that;1716160 wrote:Makes sense, considering you are not a cleveland fan.

I'll attend more Tribe, Browns, and Cavs games than you will in 2015, volunteer for various non-profits in the city, and contribute to the local economy. Thanks for playing.

HitsRus;1716158 wrote:here's a recent one.....August 18th 2014

You mean the one for the season where OSU ended up finished 4th and won the national championship with their 3rd string QB. Total jinx man!

LOL.... The cover was for the Heisman trophy favorite, Braxton Miller....1 day after the date of this mag he was out for the year.....but thanks for playing.

Braxton Miller wasn't going to win any Heisman and he wasn't going to stay healthy regardless if he was on some SI cover or not, but I'll let you all get back to playing with your JuJu.

Go Tribe!

^^^that's Jobu, not Juju.

I ask Jobu to come and take away the Sports Illustrated jinx.....I offer him cigar...and rum.
He will come.

Pick6;1716171 wrote:I'll attend more Tribe, Browns, and Cavs games than you will in 2015, volunteer for various non-profits in the city, and contribute to the local economy. Thanks for playing.

I attend Suns, Cardinals, and Diamondbacks games and I'm active in the Phoenix community. Doesn't make me an Arizona fan.

Not surprised in the least that like_that's logic went over your head.

lhslep134;1716178 wrote:I attend Suns, Cardinals, and Diamondbacks games and I'm active in the Phoenix community. Doesn't make me an Arizona fan.

Not surprised in the least that like_that's logic went over your head.

Oh.

Pick. How. Fucking. Stupid. Are. You?? I actually attended, and worked for, the school.




Edit: SMH @ myself for getting riled up by someone punk who can't come close to sniffing my jock career-wise.

Pick6;1716179 wrote:Oh.

Oh.

You mean the law school I went to?

How do your Rangers look this year, pick?

Pick6;1716171[B wrote:]I'll attend more Tribe, Browns, and Cavs games than you will in 2015[/B], volunteer for various non-profits in the city, and contribute to the local economy. Thanks for playing.

lol, how do you know this? Are you personal friends with like_that? My guess is not, and it's more BS being spewed out of your ass. Not that I'm surprised, that's typical for your idiotic and completely unsubstantiated pompous posting history.

Heretic;1716151 wrote:Man, I hadn't even checked to see who was the person that had made that idea originally. Guess I should have known, given its complete disregard for simple logical baseball thought. I mean, for a relief pitcher? Lol, that'd be like an NFL team having two legit starting quarterbacks and deciding to trade one in order to get a good fullback.

You and LHShemp can have your 2 man circle jerk. If relief pitching is so much... much ado about nothing than why does Tito have so many of them? Kipnis was absolute dog shit last year and so far...just like last year, he can't stay on the field.

Kipnis..and his ridiculous salary would probably be better served elsewhere. The dp combo of the future does not include him. Laley thinks they are a dime a dozen. LOL. A good relief staff is imperative to win a title.

Pick6;1716171 wrote:I'll attend more Tribe, Browns, and Cavs games than you will in 2015, volunteer for various non-profits in the city, and contribute to the local economy. Thanks for playing.

Which doesn't make sense considering you're not a Cleveland fan. And congrats for living in Ohio, which apparently now makes you a fan LOL.

I fly to Cleveland at least twice a year to catch a game live, not to mention I catch most games here in DC or Baltimore when Cleveland is in town. The difference is I am not checking the score/stats of the Cowboys games while I am watching them. Thanks for playing.

Footwedge;1716189 wrote:You and LHShemp can have your 2 man circle jerk. If relief pitching is so much... much ado about nothing than why does Tito have so many of them? Kipnis was absolute dog shit last year and so far...just like last year, he can't stay on the field.

Kipnis..and his ridiculous salary would probably be better served elsewhere. The dp combo of the future does not include him. Laley thinks they are a dime a dozen. LOL. A good relief staff is imperative to win a title.

lol I have nothing to say to this


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Footwedge;1716189 wrote:You and LHShemp can have your 2 man circle jerk. If relief pitching is so much... much ado about nothing than why does Tito have so many of them? Kipnis was absolute dog shit last year and so far...just like last year, he can't stay on the field.

Kipnis..and his ridiculous salary would probably be better served elsewhere. The dp combo of the future does not include him. Laley thinks they are a dime a dozen. LOL. A good relief staff is imperative to win a title.

You have absolutely no knowledge about this. With a few exceptions, who generally are closers, paid more and, therefore, harder to trade for, relievers are a dime a dozen. Their success fluctuates from year to year (which often leads to short MLB careers) and often is determined by the coaching staff getting them in a good position.

Cleveland and Pittsburgh are kind of the same in MLB, both being small-budget teams with a lot of young home-grown talent. I don't know how Cleveland is running their defense, but in Pittsburgh, they're huge into defensive shifts and, as a result, look for relievers who tend to be ground ball pitchers with the idea being to shift a lot to always have guys in position to snare the ground balls. Over the past couple years, these have been their most prominent relievers. A couple have been consistently good, while others (Hughes, Wilson) have followed up good years with weaker ones.

Mark Melancon -- up-and-coming set-up/closer with Houston; went to Boston and bombed; went to Pittsburgh as kind of a reclamation project; did great as a set-up man and has done very good now as the closer.

Jason Grilli -- journeyman middle reliever who'd been most places; because the set-up man and then the closer for Pittsburgh and had a great 2/3 season in that role before an injury sapped his effectiveness.

Vin Mazzaro -- another journeyman-type. He was surprisingly important in 2013 solely because inherited runners never seemed to score on him. Despite that, there was no room for him in the bigs in 2014.

Justin Wilson/Jared Hughes/Tony Watson -- minor league starters converted to major league relievers. The latter is considered to have filthy stuff and possibly is the closer of the future, assuming he doesn't horribly regress since relievers don't always have great shelf life, as I said before.

John Holdzkom -- a late-season revelation last year. Mainly because they found him in some independent league where he'd finally learned to harness his talent enough to get the ball over the plate.

Jeanmar Gomez -- former Tribe guy from a few years back. He did admirably as a long reliever/spot starter.

So, a bullpen that has been considered amongst the league's best over the past two years is construed of a former up-and-comer who'd fallen on hard times supported by a slew of journeymen and minor league starters who had to change their game to get farther than AAA. And no starting-caliber players who'd had success with the team had to be traded to get any of those (although Brock Holt -- part of the Melancon deal -- might be reaching that level post-trade as a "super-utility" guy).

Commander of Awesome;1716186 wrote:lol, how do you know this? Are you personal friends with like_that? My guess is not, and it's more BS being spewed out of your ass. Not that I'm surprised, that's typical for your idiotic and completely unsubstantiated pompous posting history.

I know because of common sense dick face.

With a few exceptions, who generally are closers, paid more and, therefore, harder to trade for, relievers are a dime a dozen. Their success fluctuates from year to year (which often leads to short MLB careers) and often is determined by the coaching staff getting them in a good position.

I would agree with most of this, except the phrase "dime a dozen" doesn't really reflect the value of good relief pitching, although it does speak to the relative ease that good relievers can be obtained. Most certainly, Jason Kipnis' stock has not slipped so much that all you could get for him would be a servicable reliever. Now if you are a GM and want to trade Kip because you feel you have it covered and his balky back is a liability that you don't want to deal with, then by all means trade him for a reliever...and a top prospect or two. Kipnis is a former allstar, with a relatively friendly contract. There is no reason to think he is damaged goods.

This makes me smile

Jordan Bastian ‏@MLBastian 5m5 minutes ago Carrasco was sitting at 95 mph and topping at 97 in his Minor League start on Wednesday. Struck out 10 in 5.2 IP, no walks or runs, one hit.