TBone14
Posts: 6,383
Oct 28, 2014 9:49pm
Panik had an incredible at bat. Awful job by Posey.
Has anybody seen the TV Ratings for the World Series? I am assuming they are terrible. Games like this don't help.
Has anybody seen the TV Ratings for the World Series? I am assuming they are terrible. Games like this don't help.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Oct 28, 2014 9:56pm
Reminds me of the 2001 WS.
Yankees went back to Arizona up 3-2 and got blown out in game 6 like 15-0 or something like that.
Game 7 is going to be nuts tomorrow night.
Yankees went back to Arizona up 3-2 and got blown out in game 6 like 15-0 or something like that.
Game 7 is going to be nuts tomorrow night.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Oct 28, 2014 10:11pm
Damn, I hope KC pulls it all off. Hate the Giants.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Oct 28, 2014 10:45pm
wow...9-0 now.
gerb131
Posts: 9,932
Oct 28, 2014 10:54pm
What's the record for largest loss in the WS ? 10-0 now...
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Oct 28, 2014 11:05pm
12-0 Yanks over Pirates in 60
I think Zona over Yanks 14 or 15-0 in game 6 in 2001
I think Zona over Yanks 14 or 15-0 in game 6 in 2001
gerb131
Posts: 9,932
Oct 28, 2014 11:17pm
Seems so long ago...
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Oct 29, 2014 12:17am
This goes along with the aggressive bullpen strategy I'd have if I managed a team, but if I was already planning on using MBum as relief to Hudson and as a bridge to Petit, I would just start MBum.
Hudson's stuff has been so unreliable that you might as well get 2-3 out of MBum to start before handing it off to Petit.
It would be aggressive, but if I'm a manager I'm living and dying with my ace, not Hudson.
Hudson's stuff has been so unreliable that you might as well get 2-3 out of MBum to start before handing it off to Petit.
It would be aggressive, but if I'm a manager I'm living and dying with my ace, not Hudson.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Oct 29, 2014 12:27am
Im the opposite.lhslep134;1668354 wrote:This goes along with the aggressive bullpen strategy I'd have if I managed a team, but if I was already planning on using MBum as relief to Hudson and as a bridge to Petit, I would just start MBum.
Hudson's stuff has been so unreliable that you might as well get 2-3 out of MBum to start before handing it off to Petit.
It would be aggressive, but if I'm a manager I'm living and dying with my ace, not Hudson.
If I can get away without pitching a guy on TWO days rest I do it.
If Hudson struggles, you go to Madison. What do you do if Mad doesnt have it from the lack of rest early?
Starting Hudson gives you a back-up plan to go to before its over, starting Mad basically handcuffs you to him being good.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Oct 29, 2014 12:49am
You could swap MBum's and Hudson's roles. The 2 days rest thing is overrated considering 1) MBum would be throwing tomorrow during his off-day throwing program anyways and 2) 2 day rest effect isn't as prominent, theoretically and IMO, when only asking that pitcher for 2 or 3 innings.Laley23;1668355 wrote:What do you do if Mad doesnt have it from the lack of rest early?
starting Mad basically handcuffs you to him being good.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Oct 29, 2014 12:52am
Look if Bochy came out and said MBum is out of commission, no matter what, this wouldn't be a discussion.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Oct 29, 2014 7:17am
Royals are far more likely to get out 3-0 on Hudson....Bumgarner changes entire complexion just being on the mound. If Royals jump ahead more than 2 it's over.Laley23;1668355 wrote:Im the opposite.
If I can get away without pitching a guy on TWO days rest I do it.
If Hudson struggles, you go to Madison. What do you do if Mad doesnt have it from the lack of rest early?
Starting Hudson gives you a back-up plan to go to before its over, starting Mad basically handcuffs you to him being good.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Oct 29, 2014 10:20am
My point is, if Bumgarner sucked after 120+ pitches 2 days ago, the game might be over. Royals will be jumping and have all the momentum, even if Hudson comes in and get out of the inning.
Flip it around and the Royals and fans might be thinking of the missed chance and now they get a guy they can't hit. Even
if they both suck, I'd rather the guy who can save the day so to speak be second. Just from a perception standpoint.
In the end, it won't matter. Royals will win this thing by 3+
Flip it around and the Royals and fans might be thinking of the missed chance and now they get a guy they can't hit. Even
if they both suck, I'd rather the guy who can save the day so to speak be second. Just from a perception standpoint.
In the end, it won't matter. Royals will win this thing by 3+
TBone14
Posts: 6,383
Oct 29, 2014 10:37am
I would start Hudson. Hope he can get you 4 scoreless. If he is really strong...maybe 5. I wouldn't let him face the lineup the 3rd time. Then go Bum for the 5th and 6th. Maybe 7th depending on how he looks. Then let a combination of Romo, Affeldt, Lopez and Casilla finish it out. Those 4 have given up exactly 1 earned run this postseason combined in over 27 innings.
Hudson has given up 8 in 19. Short leash is an understatement.
Hudson has given up 8 in 19. Short leash is an understatement.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Oct 29, 2014 11:12am
Koufax pitched a game 7 after pitching a game 5 back in 1965 I believe....complete game
Bumgarner gets the ball to start the game for me. Him going 6 or 7 would not surprise me 1 bit.
Bumgarner gets the ball to start the game for me. Him going 6 or 7 would not surprise me 1 bit.
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thavoice
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Oct 29, 2014 11:19am
True.lhslep134;1668359 wrote:You could swap MBum's and Hudson's roles. The 2 days rest thing is overrated considering 1) MBum would be throwing tomorrow during his off-day throwing program anyways and 2) 2 day rest effect isn't as prominent, theoretically and IMO, when only asking that pitcher for 2 or 3 innings.
But those sessions are not near what you throw during the game.
We all can sit here and say what we would do, but until you actually get to sit down and talk to Baum and ask him, and then see his stuff, we just dont know.
GOONx19
Posts: 7,147
Oct 29, 2014 11:34am
Lowe did it for the Sox against the Yankees in 04. Can't remember if he gave up any runs or not. I think he went 6 or 7.Ironman92;1668477 wrote:Koufax pitched a game 7 after pitching a game 5 back in 1965 I believe....complete game
Bumgarner gets the ball to start the game for me. Him going 6 or 7 would not surprise me 1 bit.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Oct 29, 2014 12:42pm
I suppose you could start a guy on 2 days rest, but his stuff will be a wild card. If you have confidence at all in Hudson, you start the fresh guy, and you have Baumgarner start warming at the beginning of the game and use him as a bridge, if necessary, to the BP.thavoice;1668488 wrote:True.
But those sessions are not near what you throw during the game.
We all can sit here and say what we would do, but until you actually get to sit down and talk to Baum and ask him, and then see his stuff, we just dont know.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Oct 29, 2014 12:59pm
The key is def making sure that Baumg gets warmed up enough. Starters have their routine to get ready, which islonger than a starter. With him coming off short rest it would probably even take longer. Wanna know the guys stuff? Ask the catcher....he can usually tell ya better than anyone.HitsRus;1668521 wrote:I suppose you could start a guy on 2 days rest, but his stuff will be a wild card. If you have confidence at all in Hudson, you start the fresh guy, and you have Baumgarner start warming at the beginning of the game and use him as a bridge, if necessary, to the BP.
lhslep134
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Oct 29, 2014 1:51pm
Hudson pitching very well is as big, or bigger, of a wild card than Bum pitching well for 2 innings.HitsRus;1668521 wrote: If you have confidence at all in Hudson.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Oct 29, 2014 1:52pm
^^^^well that is exactly right...but the problem is that you need to decide earlier than game time....because if you warm him up and then decide to use him later, you have to shut him down and wait till the middle of the game. I would start Hudson and have Baumgarner start warming in the pen about game time.
lhslep134
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Oct 29, 2014 2:03pm
HitsRus;1668542 wrote:^^^^well that is exactly right...but the problem is that you need to decide earlier than game time....because if you warm him up and then decide to use him later, you have to shut him down and wait till the middle of the game. I would start Hudson and have Baumgarner start warming in the pen about game time.
While that's the more efficient route, I would just have both of them go through their pre-start routine and then decide based on how Bum and Hudson are feeling and how their stuff is looking.
Something I haven't brought up that should definitely be relevant to Bochy's decision is the opposing pitcher, Guthrie. He's not good. You could get away with Hudson pitching merely decently and still be in a good position to bring Bum in because they've scored a couple off Guthrie. It's not like last night where the opposing pitcher actually has filthy stuff.
TBone14
Posts: 6,383
Oct 29, 2014 2:22pm
Managing any game is easier if you score runs. You have to operate under the impression that, even if Guthrie isn't good, it was be all hands on deck for the Royals and runs are going to be hard to come by.lhslep134;1668550 wrote:While that's the more efficient route, I would just have both of them go through their pre-start routine and then decide based on how Bum and Hudson are feeling and how their stuff is looking.
Something I haven't brought up that should definitely be relevant to Bochy's decision is the opposing pitcher, Guthrie. He's not good. You could get away with Hudson pitching merely decently and still be in a good position to bring Bum in because they've scored a couple off Guthrie. It's not like last night where the opposing pitcher actually has filthy stuff.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Oct 29, 2014 5:55pm
Also...I've always said the more pitchers you bring in the GSW the more likely one will suck....in this game, if you are on...you stay in.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Oct 29, 2014 7:55pm
Bochy acts as if Bumgarner will barely pitch if he pitches. "He 's not a toy"
I think Bochy is about as good as it gets....if it's tight and he barely pitches and they lose with someone "fresh"...I'm going to have major difficulty with his decision.
I'll be surprised if the Royals don't have a 3 run lead before the 4th inning
I think Bochy is about as good as it gets....if it's tight and he barely pitches and they lose with someone "fresh"...I'm going to have major difficulty with his decision.
I'll be surprised if the Royals don't have a 3 run lead before the 4th inning