That is why people say wait until the bowl games to talk about conference strength.

The Big 10 has wins over the #7, #12, and #15 teams in the country.

Meanwhile, the Big East 9-3 team gets beat by a 6-6 team while UC gets demolished by UF. I don't even want to start about the PAC10 with their signature wins over BC and Temple.

The Big East was exposed yesterady as the mid-major conference they are. And the best thing of all is Notre Dame now knows they paid top dollar for a bargain basement coach imposter.

That schedule ranking definately needs and adjustment; Ohio State picks up 5 wins over teams that won 10 games or more and end up getting brought down by a 1 win New Mexico State, 4 win Indiana(who's about 2 or 3 calls from being 6-6 or better) and 5 Win Purdue....

BCSbunk wrote:
Sagarin ratings are perhaps the very worst. When you rank a conference as high, and then it turns out they are not very good at all (Pac-10) it throws off the rankings completely.

All it takes is one conference to be over ranked and it discredits the strength of schedule argument.

After watching the bowls the Big East has taken a beating and so has the Pac-10 they were both over ranked. The Big Ten on the other hand was not ranked high enough.

The facts in the bowl games cannot be denied. The alleged "experts" were wrong.

Depends on opponents. I'm not arguing the BE sucked this year. I'm simply saying UC's schedule wasn't as bad as you are making it out to be and the SOS stats back that assertion. You are merely using your own subjective opinion.

eersandbeers wrote:

BCSbunk wrote:
Sagarin ratings are perhaps the very worst. When you rank a conference as high, and then it turns out they are not very good at all (Pac-10) it throws off the rankings completely.

All it takes is one conference to be over ranked and it discredits the strength of schedule argument.

After watching the bowls the Big East has taken a beating and so has the Pac-10 they were both over ranked. The Big Ten on the other hand was not ranked high enough.

The facts in the bowl games cannot be denied. The alleged "experts" were wrong.

Depends on opponents. I'm not arguing the BE sucked this year. I'm simply saying UC's schedule wasn't as bad as you are making it out to be and the SOS stats back that assertion. You are merely using your own subjective opinion.

Yes my opinion is subjective as well as the alleged "experts" so posting what Sagarin thinks is not really an indicator of truth.

I do not recall ranking UC schedule. There are 120 FBS teams UC schedule is in the middle of the pack. Ohio St's schedule is vastly superior IMO.

Wisconsin turns out to be the real deal as well as Penn St and even Northwestern who lost but played an SEC team down to the wire.

UC's schedule offers nothing close to that. Pitt struggled against a decent North Carolina team, beat WV who got waxed by Florida st. Really the Big East really struggled this season in the bowl games. They have couple more games today it will be interesting to see how they fair.

The Big Ten won over top rated opponents and hung tough against thier peers from other conferences.

UC's schedule is middle of the pack. Not horrible but not good and it dropped IMO because of the bowl results.

I don't care what "expert" ranking you are citing. The Big East is a joke and the only good OOC team they played got totally exposed. If UC played OSU's schedule they would have lost at least 4 games. Wisky, Iowa, Penn St. and USC for sure.

Say what you want, OSU beat 5 teams that won 10 games. I will take that FACT, over any stupid egg headed formula....the proof is in the pudding.

I have now seen the expression 'the proof is in the pudding' one time in my entire life.

Cincinnati would have finished third or fourth in the Big Ten and went to a New Year's bowl game. Cincinnati had a good team,but the downfall for them came with the defense. When you give up over 40 points to several teams in the Big East conference, a team like Florida and all the talent they have will demolish you...and that's what happened.

If I were Notre Dame, I'd be concerned about defense with Kelly. He inherited a pretty good defensive unit from Dantonio and it went into the crapper.

bman618 wrote: Cincinnati would have finished third or fourth in the Big Ten and went to a New Year's bowl game. Cincinnati had a good team,but the downfall for them came with the defense. When you give up over 40 points to several teams in the Big East conference, a team like Florida and all the talent they have will demolish you...and that's what happened.

If I were Notre Dame, I'd be concerned about defense with Kelly. He inherited a pretty good defensive unit from Dantonio and it went into the crapper.

As a Notre Dame fan, I am concerned with the defense, not because of Kelly, but because of how bad they were this past season. As far as this year's Cinci defense, you do realize they replaced 10 out of 11 starters correct? Even the mighty buckz would take a huge step backwards if their defensive unit had to undergo that kind of turnover.

EDIT: Enter "OSU doesn't rebuild, they reload" here...

OSU is made up of a unique titanium structure (kind of similar to what Elin Woods bashed Tiger's face in with) that never breaks.

Didn't you know that?

karen lotz wrote:

bman618 wrote: Cincinnati would have finished third or fourth in the Big Ten and went to a New Year's bowl game. Cincinnati had a good team,but the downfall for them came with the defense. When you give up over 40 points to several teams in the Big East conference, a team like Florida and all the talent they have will demolish you...and that's what happened.

If I were Notre Dame, I'd be concerned about defense with Kelly. He inherited a pretty good defensive unit from Dantonio and it went into the crapper.

As a Notre Dame fan, I am concerned with the defense, not because of Kelly, but because of how bad they were this past season. As far as this year's Cinci defense, you do realize they replaced 10 out of 11 starters correct? Even the mighty buckz would take a huge step backwards if their defensive unit had to undergo that kind of turnover.

EDIT: Enter "OSU doesn't rebuild, they reload" here...

OSU did have that kind of turnover in 2006. They replaced 9 out of 11 starters on defense. Quinn Pitcock and David Patterson were the only starters to return to a defense that lost AJ Hawk, Bobby Carpenter, Anthony Schlegal, Donte Whitner, Ashton Youboty, and Nate Salley among others.

karen lotz wrote: EDIT: Enter "OSU doesn't rebuild, they reload" here...

Which is exactly why OSU is who they are and UC is who they are.

charliehustle14 wrote: OSU did have that kind of turnover in 2006. They replaced 9 out of 11 starters on defense. Quinn Pitcock and David Patterson were the only starters to return to a defense that lost AJ Hawk, Bobby Carpenter, Anthony Schlegal, Donte Whitner, Ashton Youboty, and Nate Salley among others.

ytownfootball wrote: Which is exactly why OSU is who they are and UC is who they are.

Interesting that in 2006 OSU had an undefeated regular season only to get throttled by Florida in a BCS bowl game...eerily similar to Cincinnati

Interesting to you maybe, not me in the least.

JoeA1010 wrote: Meyer won't miss a single game. I say he's back at work within a month.

I have no sympathy for his woe is me nonsense. He's not the only person who has had to be rushed to the hospital and released the same day. The difference is, everyone else has to continue working and they don't run around looking for public sympathy.

I don't like the guy either, but he's a helluva football coach. His image is extremely important to him, and with the amount of talent they will/could be losing coupled with some coaches leaving, means that Florida is not going to have it as easy as they are used to when it comes to victories.

If Meyer was coming back, why not play another qb in the 2nd half? The guy is an egomaniac who got sympathy with his illness, and won quite possibly his last game in a FLORIDA coaching position.

karen lotz wrote:

charliehustle14 wrote: OSU did have that kind of turnover in 2006. They replaced 9 out of 11 starters on defense. Quinn Pitcock and David Patterson were the only starters to return to a defense that lost AJ Hawk, Bobby Carpenter, Anthony Schlegal, Donte Whitner, Ashton Youboty, and Nate Salley among others.

ytownfootball wrote: Which is exactly why OSU is who they are and UC is who they are.

Interesting that in 2006 OSU had an undefeated regular season only to get throttled by Florida in a BCS bowl game...eerily similar to Cincinnati

And OSU also was 2nd in the nation in turnovers forced that season and 8th in points allowed. And look at the NFL'ers they reloaded with in 06...Gholston, Jenkins, Laurinaitis, Richardson, Washington, and Freeman.

Yes, they ran into a buzz saw against Florida. But to even imply that UC's defense is on the level of any OSU defense, especially the 06 defense, is disgustingly laughable.

UC's defense has been pathetic all year long and has been bailed out by their prolific offense scorching Big East teams.

BCSbunk wrote:

Yes my opinion is subjective as well as the alleged "experts" so posting what Sagarin thinks is not really an indicator of truth.

I do not recall ranking UC schedule. There are 120 FBS teams UC schedule is in the middle of the pack. Ohio St's schedule is vastly superior IMO.

Wisconsin turns out to be the real deal as well as Penn St and even Northwestern who lost but played an SEC team down to the wire.

UC's schedule offers nothing close to that. Pitt struggled against a decent North Carolina team, beat WV who got waxed by Florida st. Really the Big East really struggled this season in the bowl games. They have couple more games today it will be interesting to see how they fair.

The Big Ten won over top rated opponents and hung tough against thier peers from other conferences.

UC's schedule is middle of the pack. Not horrible but not good and it dropped IMO because of the bowl results.

Sagarin's ratings aren't based on opinions. It is based on results on the field and opponents.

I agree the B10 finally had a decent bowl season. Usually its the opposite that happens. One year does not mark a trend.

chief_wigam wrote: I don't care what "expert" ranking you are citing. The Big East is a joke and the only good OOC team they played got totally exposed. If UC played OSU's schedule they would have lost at least 4 games. Wisky, Iowa, Penn St. and USC for sure.

Of course you don't care because those rankings don't fit your agenda.

Claiming UC would lose 4 games is simply conjecture based on your own bias. It does not make it so.

ytownfootball wrote:

Interesting that in 2006 OSU had an undefeated regular season only to get throttled by Florida in a BCS bowl game...eerily similar to Cincinnati

The proof was in the pudding. OSU revealed they were who everyone thought they were. Nowhere close to the level of any SEC team.

eersandbeers wrote:

ytownfootball wrote:

Interesting that in 2006 OSU had an undefeated regular season only to get throttled by Florida in a BCS bowl game...eerily similar to Cincinnati

The proof was in the pudding. OSU revealed they were who everyone thought they were. Nowhere close to the level of any SEC team.

Not my quote but whatever...

Not any SEC team? C'mon...you're not that ridiculous. As good as Florida that year? No. But I think...well it might have been close...we could have handled Kuntucky :rolleyes:

I'm not saying that UC's defense is anywhere near the level of OSU's. I am saying I would assume that a large piece of UC's defensive struggles could be linked to the fact that they replaced 10 starters. Someone brought up OSU's 2006 defense. How did 2006 end up for OSU? The same way 2009 ended for UC.

That year we could have beat Vandy, Kentucky, South Carolina, Mississippi State....

karen lotz wrote: I'm not saying that UC's defense is anywhere near the level of OSU's. I am saying I would assume that a large piece of UC's defensive struggles could be linked to the fact that they replaced 10 starters. Someone brought up OSU's 2006 defense. How did 2006 end up for OSU? The same way 2009 ended for UC.

I would be willing to bet my ass that '06 OSU D ranked statistically higher than '09 UC D without even looking it up which is the whole point.

karen lotz wrote: I'm not saying that UC's defense is anywhere near the level of OSU's. I am saying I would assume that a large piece of UC's defensive struggles could be linked to the fact that they replaced 10 starters. Someone brought up OSU's 2006 defense. How did 2006 end up for OSU? The same way 2009 ended for UC.

The result was the same, for sure. But OSU just reloaded with more first round, NFL players. And through 12 games, that OSU defense was one of the best in the nation.

ytownfootball wrote:

karen lotz wrote: I'm not saying that UC's defense is anywhere near the level of OSU's. I am saying I would assume that a large piece of UC's defensive struggles could be linked to the fact that they replaced 10 starters. Someone brought up OSU's 2006 defense. How did 2006 end up for OSU? The same way 2009 ended for UC.

I would be willing to bet my ass that '06 OSU D ranked statistically higher than '09 UC D without even looking it up which is the whole point.

Where did I say UC's 09 defense was ranked statistically higher than OSU's 06 defense??

ytownfootball wrote:

karen lotz wrote: I'm not saying that UC's defense is anywhere near the level of OSU's. I am saying I would assume that a large piece of UC's defensive struggles could be linked to the fact that they replaced 10 starters. Someone brought up OSU's 2006 defense. How did 2006 end up for OSU? The same way 2009 ended for UC.

I would be willing to bet my ass that '06 OSU D ranked statistically higher than '09 UC D without even looking it up which is the whole point.

UC is #49 not fully updated yet.
OSU was #12 with all game.