Just to set the record straight on numbers. Campbell's 1989 team which played for the D-III championship fielded 42 players. Campbell's 1990 team was a D-IV state semifinalist. It fielded 35 players. Campbell's 1999 team, also D-IV, fielded 34 players. Most of the schools in the area have many kids playing both ways. So basically just about the same 11 that start on offense start on defense too, with a few exceptions. One thing about Rozum's teams compared to others in recent years is all of the kids were in shape and the kids didn't get pushed around the field against any opponent. Both the 1989 and 1990 teams had some decent depth too. Campbell's 1992 team won the MVC championship with a team of 26 players. Better numbers afford coaches the luxury of having more intense practices than those without. 37 players are good numbers for Campbell this season, quite similar to most of the teams Rozum has coached in his career. We're going to put 11 kids on that field who are not going to quit.

^ And thats exactly what you want as a fan, and need as a coach.

Gardens35;1639058 wrote:Soup, I remember that back in the mid to latter 70's CMHS went 3 seasons w/out a win. Do you (or anyone else out there) recall who they finally beat to end that streak. Thanks.

Campbell beat Boardman 12-9 in 1977 to end the losing streak.

BigDean1;1639061 wrote:Just to set the record straight on numbers. Campbell's 1989 team which played for the D-III championship fielded 42 players. Campbell's 1990 team was a D-IV state semifinalist. It fielded 35 players. Campbell's 1999 team, also D-IV, fielded 34 players. Most of the schools in the area have many kids playing both ways. So basically just about the same 11 that start on offense start on defense too, with a few exceptions. One thing about Rozum's teams compared to others in recent years is all of the kids were in shape and the kids didn't get pushed around the field against any opponent. Both the 1989 and 1990 teams had some decent depth too. Campbell's 1992 team won the MVC championship with a team of 26 players. Better numbers afford coaches the luxury of having more intense practices than those without. 37 players are good numbers for Campbell this season, quite similar to most of the teams Rozum has coached in his career. We're going to put 11 kids on that field who are not going to quit.

I should have been more clear in my post. We had 42 players during the regular season. By the time we hit the playoffs there were around 28 players available.

Where do you think I got the vibes that Campbell would struggle this year? From all of you... so don't lecture me like I have no earthly clue what I'm talking about. You guys said it long before I ever did... "it's a rebuilding process. It isn't going to happen over night... probably a 4-6 team this year, and that will be a success." Sound familiar?

So don't come after me when I do make my opinions known... especially when those opinions are only echoing your own.

But I never said Rozum was getting in over his head. I know he's commited to turning things around. I know he knows what he's in for. Will the kids be just as commited to him as he is to them? History says it's doubtful. This isn't 25+ years ago... stop living in the past and start living in the here and now. It's hard enough to change a losing culture. It's an entirely different thing to change a quitting culture. Right now, Campbell is both.

There's a big difference between getting in over your head, and having your team quit on you. Which is exactly what happened to Sikora. Sikora had a pretty good rep going in, and a lot of momentum. He was, and still is, a good football coach. Campbell chewed him up and spit him out in less than 5 years, because the team ultimately decided that they didn't want to put in the work and play for him anymore. They quit on him.

The last time Campbell took the field, they straight up quit (50-0 loss to Girard). You guys said it, not me. . You guys can tell me a hundred times that Campbell won't quit on Rozum, no matter what their record is. I'm simply saying that they have to prove it.

I did not say that Rozum will undoubtedly lose the team if they don't start winning early (or as you guys take it, "Rozum is getting in over his head")... I only said it was possible. And you guys want to eat my lunch over that? Give me an effing break.

Why do I think South Range could get ugly? Easy. South Range showed steady improvement over the course of the season last year, on their way to an undefeated season and the #1 seed in the playoffs. Campbell couldn't even establish an identity... unless you count letting Elash run for his life in the backfield while trying not to get killed.

You want my honest opinion for week 1?

I give Campbell 0% chance. Even with Struthers breaking in 5 new starters on the OL, 9 or 10 starters on offense in general, and turning the reigns over to a Sophomore QB. I gave my prediction already. I like Struthers to win, 28-6 (that's without Witkowski). And it wouldn't surprise me if the final score is actually more lopsided than that.

Really 0% chance? These are high school kids were talking about. Anybody could beat anybody on a Friday night. You talk about our program as if it's in utter despair and get upset when another poster calls you out on it. And this team doesn't have to prove anything to you or any other Struthers fan. Turnabout is fair play because the last Struthers game I saw your wildcats quit in the 3rd quarter against Mooney!! And as far as Rozum goes we can't explain it any better that there is 0% chance the team quits on him. You and spread both talk with this arrogance about your program when you can't even win your division of the AAC. Win and win on a consistent basis then you can talk that way. Until then you sound foolish.

2009-2013 Campbell Memorial
33-22 overall record
2 conference championships
2 playoff appearances
2-3 against Struthers

2009-20013 Struthers Wildcats
26-27 overall record
0 conference championships
1 playoff appearance
3-2 against Memorial

Are we the ones with the losing culture?

This is awesome lol yes I've stated the viewpoints on here are very short sighted. Btrev I respect the rebuild that has happened atstrutgers but please stop acting like you guys are ignatius.

2004-2013 Struthers vs Campbell

2004: Struthers 19-12
2005: Struthers: 19-14
2006: Struthers 30-12
2007: Struthers 12-7
2008: Struthers 28-13
2009: Campbell 14-7
2010: Campbell 51-35
2011: Struthers 22-3
2012: Struthers 27-20
2013: Struthers 39-6

8-2 in the last 10 meetings against Campbell. They must be doing at least one thing right.

And here we go again... you said it before. "We won't hang with Struthers."

What do you want me to say? I change my mind. I give Campbell a 2% chance... 5% chance... 10% chance... would that be any better? Get real. It's a simple question. Do I think Campbell will beat Struthers this year? Yes or no. My answer is no!

And if you really want to go there... if Struthers were in Campbell's conference, they would have ran away with the conference championship, and made the playoffs, each of the last 2 years. Campbell wouldn't have won a game if they played the schedule that Struthers has the last 2 years... maybe they would have beaten Beaver Local in 2012 or Field last year, but that's it. Struthers plays the tougher schedule than Campbell. There's no arguing that. Campbell may have the higher winning percentage over the last 5 years, but I guarantee you Struthers has consistently played against tougher competition. We can't beat up on Jefferson, Champion, Newton Falls every year to inflate our winning percentage. And I'll be the first to admit, Struthers Football prior to 2010 left an enormous amount to be desired. And they still owned Campbell.

The rivalry and history between Struthers and Campbell is always interesting and something I get hyped up for, but until Campbell starts hanging with the competitive equivalents of Hubbard, Howland, Poland, Niles, etc... they'll always seem like small potatoes to me... sorry if that seems harsh.

You guys think Campbell will struggle. I think Campbell will struggle.

You guys are predicting a 4-6 season. I'm predicting a 4-6 season.

You guys expect Campbell to lose to Struthers by a few touchdowns. I expect Campbell to lose to Struthers by a few touchdowns.

My perceived arrogance towards Campbell is a direct reflection of your own opinions and attitudes regarding the state of Campbell Football. Why is that so hard to understand?

I would certainly hope a D3 Strutgers team would dominate a small school conference LOL I mean come on.

soupcitysoldier;1639219 wrote:I would certainly hope a D3 Strutgers team would dominate a small school conference LOL I mean come on.

Roll in the excuses. Struthers is also D4 btw.

I have never met someone from Campbell who ever complained about that though. You must be a younger breed of the campbell guy.

Don't make this a pissing contest, he's just stating his opinion and this is still america after all.

But Btrev i agree.

Yes I'm making an excuse by saying the idea that a school would dominate a conference with a bunch of smaller schools is ridiculous. Who's making the excuses? Campbell didn't win the MVC in 1993 but they would have DOMINATED the ITCL!!!!! Woo hoo!!! Billy bad a$$ school lol also I think I'm older than you spread for two reasons...I don't have a Facebook and I don't stalk high schools Facebook pages.

A couple more things...

1. I know damn well that the kids don't have to prove anything to me... but they'll have to prove it to someone, even if it's just to themselves. One more time... if you don't want to be a quitter, then don't quit.

2. Regarding Struthers quitting in the 3rd quarter against Mooney... I don't think they quit at all. I think they were just outmatched and the wheels finally fell off. They still came back and put up one last TD in the 4th quarter. Is there a difference between quitting on your coach and disgracing your team's uniform, and conceding defeat to a clearly superior opponent after the score is out of reach? I think so...

Mooney could have put up 150+ on Campbell last year, if they wanted to. Struthers would have beat Girard.

3. I'm not saying Struthers is the King of the Mountain in high school football, or even in the royal family... just that they play better football than Campbell, and they have for the better part of the last 14 or so years.

soupcitysoldier;1639231 wrote:Yes I'm making an excuse by saying the idea that a school would dominate a conference with a bunch of smaller schools is ridiculous. Who's making the excuses? Campbell didn't win the MVC in 1993 but they would have DOMINATED the ITCL!!!!! Woo hoo!!! Billy bad a$$ school lol also I think I'm older than you spread for two reasons...I don't have a Facebook and I don't stalk high schools Facebook pages.

Visited the page one time "soupcitysoldier" "SoupCityBandMember" should be your new name. Don't lie to the people.
and the 1993 itcl was great, not so fast.
Struthers is d4 isn't campbell d 5? Half of the schools in your conference are d 4. quit crying.

But when it comes to Struthers-Campbell it really doesnt matter. ANYONE that has ever played in that game will tell you that.- ask someone who played. and not an instrument.

soupcitysoldier;1639231 wrote:Yes I'm making an excuse by saying the idea that a school would dominate a conference with a bunch of smaller schools is ridiculous. Who's making the excuses? Campbell didn't win the MVC in 1993 but they would have DOMINATED the ITCL!!!!! Woo hoo!!! Billy bad a$$ school lol also I think I'm older than you spread for two reasons...I don't have a Facebook and I don't stalk high schools Facebook pages.

My 75 year old Grandpa has a Facebook. But he doesn't stalk high school kids on it. j/k, Spread.
Seriously, though... you guys opened that door. I just went through it. Struthers is the same division as Jefferson and Lakeview (beat them in the playoffs last year, remember?)... I think everyone else is D5, except for Newton Falls who is D6.

Yes I heard all this argument last year from you guys. You're the 3rd best team in your AAC division. I remember the chants as you celebrated your accomplishment "WE'RE #3!!!!" WE'RE #3!!!!". Face it you're a losing program who was decent last year. That's it! You never maintain any so called success. Let's take a little look at your schedule. In no particular order. Hubbard is an L for you guys. Poland is an L for you guys. Howland is an L for you guys. Lakeview is an L for you guys. Niles maybe you get the W. Field you get the W. NDCL I'll give you the W. Canfield I'll give you the W. Brookfield you said yourself "crazy talented"this year L. Campbell I'll give you the W. Wow 5-5 and again! Maybe this year you can chant "We're #4!!!". But hey you did beat Campbell!!!!

Devilone;1639244 wrote:Yes I heard all this argument last year from you guys. You're the 3rd best team in your AAC division. I remember the chants as you celebrated your accomplishment "WE'RE #3!!!!" WE'RE #3!!!!". Face it you're a losing program who was decent last year. That's it! You never maintain any so called success. Let's take a little look at your schedule. In no particular order. Hubbard is an L for you guys. Poland is an L for you guys. Howland is an L for you guys. Lakeview is an L for you guys. Niles maybe you get the W. Field you get the W. NDCL I'll give you the W. Canfield I'll give you the W. Brookfield you said yourself "crazy talented"this year L. Campbell I'll give you the W. Wow 5-5 and again! Maybe this year you can chant "We're #4!!!". But hey you did beat Campbell!!!!

You don't know anything about those teams or ours. Your ignorance is evident. We'll talk about the great campbell again after halftime of week 1 when you're down 28 and the kids are quitting.

Spread All Day;1639245 wrote:You don't know anything about those teams or ours. Your ignorance is evident. We'll talk about the great campbell again after halftime of week 1 when you're down 28 and the kids are quitting.

But it was ok for the Struthers fan to come on the Red Devil thread and give his predictions. Are all 28 points going to be put up by your 30 year old tailback!!!

Did a little research with the exception of Campbell (8-2) and Jefferson area (1-0) you don't have a winning record over the last 10 years against anyone in the conference! And I'm not talking about the big boys either. You don't have a winning record against Lakeview, Liberty, Labrae, Girard or Brookfield!!! So much for dominating those small schools!!!!! Hahahah I pissed myself when I saw your post about winning all those conference championships against the small schools. So I got curious and looked up the records on Maxpreps. What do you have in response?

Spread All Day;1639025 wrote:Few things: 1990 was a very long time ago. No chance in hell would they make the state title game with only 28 guys ever again. And you're right. We really don't care how many kids play on their team, but i do also like to see CMHS win (Playoff Points)
I hope they really are conditioned but you must understand the lack of belief from people on the outside based on the last three years or so. Attitudes can be changed but can work ethics?

Dude the kids are a hell of a lot smaller from when i was in high school. But that dont mean they can't do it. Anything is possible. Rozum has been itching for this for a while. I just wish he had a hold of the 2010 squad. Wow that team was so full of talent. And it got wasted because of not having full control of players. Not all the players but a select few cause that team to stall going into the loss in the playoffs. And the coaching plays sent out i was not happy with. And also there was that one Very costly penalty.

Wow i didn't even get past page 3 and seen the small school war going on! I predict campbell will have 0 to 10 wins this season. Ha that about as far as i will predict. And no i don't mean 0 and 10!

Here is one other thing to notice. Rozum will have recruited in the school also. He is a coach that has success. also when we did go 10-0 in 1999 with rozum. The when 4-6 the year before. Without rozum.

Stop looking at the past, to judge the future. I put money on it that you know nothing about the kids that Struthers has coming up, or coming back for that matter. Who does Campbell have coming back, besides Elash (who you guys insist is too slow to play QB for Rozum, despite him being the best QB on the roster). Who does Campbell have coming up, besides a handful of Freshmen?

The Freshmen team was undefeated, and the JV team tore through everyone... with a couple exceptions (I think they lost to Poland and Hubbard)... Struthers will also have around 7 or 8 Seniors in the mix on offense (not including our "30 year old running back") and around 8 or 9 Seniors in the mix on defense.

Show me where I said that Struthers would dominate the "little guys" every year. Show me where I said they were dominant against the "little guys" in the recent past... I'll wait. I specifically said "the last 2 years."

Here's my thoughts and opinions for Struthers this year, to be fair.

Campbell, W.
Lakeview, W... Kuntz has never lost to Lakeview (3-0), and Struthers has been dominant in all 3 meetings... sure, Lakeview's offense has a lot of firepower returning, but so does Struthers's defense. Lakeview's defense doesn't scare me. Struthers will be bigger, faster, and stronger than Lakeview.
Field, W.
Niles, W... Struthers matches up well with Niles. 9 times out of 10, I'll pick an experienced, aggressive defense and a smashmouth running game over a spread pass oriented offense and a 3-3-5 defense.
NDCL, IDK. I don't know much about them, just that they're a Catholic school, they were D3 last year, and they started out hot and fell apart over the 2nd half of the season. I feel comfortable saying W, but I really don't know a whole lot about NDCL.
Brookfield, W. Brookfield might be "crazy talented," but I believe Struthers is also "crazy talented." They're another team that I think Struthers will be bigger, faster, stronger than.
Poland, L... until Struthers can finally beat Poland, they'll continue to be underdogs here.
Canfield, W... I think Canfield is still one more year away from coming "alive" again.
Howland, IDK. This is tough to call. Both teams match up very well with each other on paper. In July, I could see this one going either way. But for the sake of argument, let's just say L.
Hubbard, L. Do I need to say why?

7-3 or 8-2, and another trip to the postseason... 6-4 and a bubble team, worst case scenario. Struthers won't just be "crazy talented" this year. They won't just be big, strong, and fast. They'll also be deep. They might have 3, 4 guys at the most, who start both ways.

Against Campbell's schedule, I honestly think Struthers could go 10-0 this year. How would Campbell fare against the schedule above?

Struthers isn't much bigger (enrollment wise) than Campbell, and Struthers is the smallest school in the AAC: American.

If Struthers was a mediocre team last year, and Struthers was playing their Freshmen team against Campbell by the 4th quarter, what does that say about Campbell?

And I'm not trying to bury Campbell. I'm just saying that they have a long way to go. I actually started out on your side in all of this. It's so much more interesting when both teams are winning.

I guess the only people that are allowed to have realistic expectations for Campbell this year are actual Campbell fans.

BTrev;1639347 wrote:Stop looking at the past, to judge the future. I put money on it that you know nothing about the kids that Struthers has coming up, or coming back for that matter. Who does Campbell have coming back, besides Elash (who you guys insist is too slow to play QB for Rozum, despite him being the best QB on the roster). Who does Campbell have coming up, besides a handful of Freshmen?

The Freshmen team was undefeated, and the JV team tore through everyone... with a couple exceptions (I think they lost to Poland and Hubbard)... Struthers will also have around 7 or 8 Seniors in the mix on offense (not including our "30 year old running back") and around 8 or 9 Seniors in the mix on defense.

Show me where I said that Struthers would dominate the "little guys" every year. Show me where I said they were dominant against the "little guys" in the recent past... I'll wait. I specifically said "the last 2 years."

Here's my thoughts and opinions for Struthers this year, to be fair.

Campbell, W.
Lakeview, W... Kuntz has never lost to Lakeview (3-0), and Struthers has been dominant in all 3 meetings... sure, Lakeview's offense has a lot of firepower returning, but so does Struthers's defense. Lakeview's defense doesn't scare me. Struthers will be bigger, faster, and stronger than Lakeview.
Field, W.
Niles, W... Struthers matches up well with Niles. 9 times out of 10, I'll pick an experienced, aggressive defense and a smashmouth running game over a spread pass oriented offense and a 3-3-5 defense.
NDCL, IDK. I don't know much about them, just that they're a Catholic school, they were D3 last year, and they started out hot and fell apart over the 2nd half of the season. I feel comfortable saying W, but I really don't know a whole lot about NDCL.
Brookfield, W. Brookfield might be "crazy talented," but I believe Struthers is also "crazy talented." They're another team that I think Struthers will be bigger, faster, stronger than.
Poland, L... until Struthers can finally beat Poland, they'll continue to be underdogs here.
Canfield, W... I think Canfield is still one more year away from coming "alive" again.
Howland, IDK. This is tough to call. Both teams match up very well with each other on paper. In July, I could see this one going either way. But for the sake of argument, let's just say L.
Hubbard, L. Do I need to say why?

7-3 or 8-2, and another trip to the postseason... 6-4 and a bubble team, worst case scenario. Struthers won't just be "crazy talented" this year. They won't just be big, strong, and fast. They'll also be deep. They might have 3, 4 guys at the most, who start both ways.

Against Campbell's schedule, I honestly think Struthers could go 10-0 this year. How would Campbell fare against the schedule above?

Struthers isn't much bigger (enrollment wise) than Campbell, and Struthers is the smallest school in the AAC: American.

If Struthers was a mediocre team last year, and Struthers was playing their Freshmen team against Campbell by the 4th quarter, what does that say about Campbell?

How could you think they would go 10-0 against the small schools when you don't have a winning record against Brookfield, Liberty, Labrae, Lakeview or Girard. Please explain your logic to me. And against the big schools your records Poland(1-6), Canfield(2-6), Howland(1-5), Hubbard(1-8) and Niles(2-4) . Even if you go 7-3 or 8-2 what have you won? No conference championship and early exit from the playoffs. The enrollment issue is a big deal! You say don't talk about the past to us, but won't acknowledge the fact that Campbell is a lot smaller than we used to be. You have nearly 80 more boys in enrollment and that's a big deal. You can't have it both ways! Being that much smaller, you're right we couldn't play your schedule. But you could play ours and based on the records you have against those small schools you still would be average at best.