Explain how anything that happened before the current group of Seniors was even in high school has anything to do with this year? What does anything that Struthers did 3+ coaches ago and 5+ years ago have anything to do with how Kuntz and his staff are going to coach the team this year?

If it happened before the current group of Seniors started high school, and keep in mind that most of the Seniors didn't even see the field until 2012 or 2013, it doesn't hold any real significance to this year. You can throw as many numbers at me as you want from 10 years ago... and you know what? They're not gonna have any impact on how the team performs this year. Chances are, if it didn't take place when the kids were in school, they either won't be able to relate to it or they straight up won't care.

Does that explain my logic?

Who won Campbell's conference the last 2 years? Lakeview. And who beat Lakeview 3 times in the last 2 years? Struthers. You're only kidding yourself if you seriously think Struthers wouldn't have won that conference in 2012 and again in 2013... and Struthers could most certainly go 10-0 if they played Campbell's schedule this year. If it were 2011 or before then, of course not. But 2012-2013, Struthers could have gone 20-0 and be poised to extend it to a 30-0 run.


Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Struthers doesn't play Campbell's schedule, or in the smaller conference. If I were Lakeview, I'd be aching to make the jump up in competition. I'll say it again... small potatoes.

I'd be content with a 7-3 season and a trip to the playoffs in most years... wouldn't you be? It beats the pants off of a rebuilding period... and if Hubbard didn't have their greatest team in school history this year, I think Struthers would be in contention for a conference championship this year. Are you saying that a winning record and a trip to the playoffs are meaningless without a conference championship?

Here are the official enrollment numbers, according to the OHSAA for the upcoming season...


Brookfield 151 - Struthers is 1-1 against Brookfield over the last 2 years, Campbell is 0-3 against Brookfield over the last 3 years
Canfield 357 - Struthers is 2-0 against Canfield over the last 2 seasons
Champion 183 - Campbell is 3-0 against Champion over the last 3 seasons
Field 268 - Struthers is 2-0 against Field over the last 2 years
Girard 203 - Campbell is 2-1 against Girard over the last 3 years, Struthers lost to Girard in 2011
Howland 381 - Struthers is 1-1 against Howland over the last 2 years
Hubbard 288 - Struthers is 1-2 against Hubbard over the last 3 years
Jefferson Area 243 - Campbell is 3-0 against Jefferson over the last 3 years, Struthers beat Jefferson in 2011
LaBrae 177 - Campbell is 1-2 against LaBrae over the last 3 years, Struthers lost to LaBrae in 2011
Lakeview 233 - Struthers is 3-1 against Lakeview over the last 3 years, Campbell is 0-2 against Lakeview over the last 2 seasons
Liberty 168 - Campbell is 2-1 against Liberty over the last 3 years, Struthers beat Liberty in 2011
Campbell 178 - Struthers is 3-0 against Campbell over the last 3 years, Campbell has a 16-14 record over the last 3 years
Newton Falls 145 - Campbell is 3-0 against Newton Falls over the last 3 years
Niles 301 - Struthers is 2-0 against Niles over the last 2 years
NDCL 248 - n/a
Poland 309 - Struthers is 0-2 against Poland over the last 2 years
South Range 145 - Campbell is 2-1 against South Range over the last 3 years
Struthers 251 - Campbell is 0-3 against Struthers over the last 3 years, Struthers has a 20-12 record over the last 3 years

By your logic, Struthers should never be able to compete with teams like Niles, Poland, Canfield, or Howland... yet we do. 3-1 against Canfield and Howland (6-4 overall). And Canfield and Howland both outnumber Struthers by more than 100 boys. Except for Hubbard, everyone else in the AAC: American outnumbers Struthers by at least 50 boys.

BTrev;1639397 wrote:Explain how anything that happened before the current group of Seniors was even in high school has anything to do with this year? What does anything that Struthers did 3+ coaches ago and 5+ years ago have anything to do with how Kuntz and his staff are going to coach the team this year?

If it happened before the current group of Seniors started high school, and keep in mind that most of the Seniors didn't even see the field until 2012 or 2013, it doesn't hold any real significance to this year. You can throw as many numbers at me as you want from 10 years ago... and you know what? They're not gonna have any impact on how the team performs this year. Chances are, if it didn't take place when the kids were in school, they either won't be able to relate to it or they straight up won't care.

Does that explain my logic?

Who won Campbell's conference the last 2 years? Lakeview. And who beat Lakeview 3 times in the last 2 years? Struthers. You're only kidding yourself if you seriously think Struthers wouldn't have won that conference in 2012 and again in 2013... and Struthers could most certainly go 10-0 if they played Campbell's schedule this year. If it were 2011 or before then, of course not. But 2012-2013, Struthers could have gone 20-0 and be poised to extend it to a 30-0 run.


Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Struthers doesn't play Campbell's schedule, or in the smaller conference. If I were Lakeview, I'd be aching to make the jump up in competition. I'll say it again... small potatoes.

I'd be content with a 7-3 season and a trip to the playoffs in most years... wouldn't you be? It beats the pants off of a rebuilding period... and if Hubbard didn't have their greatest team in school history this year, I think Struthers would be in contention for a conference championship this year. Are you saying that a winning record and a trip to the playoffs are meaningless without a conference championship?

Here are the official enrollment numbers, according to the OHSAA for the upcoming season...


Brookfield 151 - Struthers is 1-1 against Brookfield over the last 2 years, Campbell is 0-3 against Brookfield over the last 3 years
Canfield 357 - Struthers is 2-0 against Canfield over the last 2 seasons
Champion 183 - Campbell is 3-0 against Champion over the last 3 seasons
Field 268 - Struthers is 2-0 against Field over the last 2 years
Girard 203 - Campbell is 2-1 against Girard over the last 3 years, Struthers lost to Girard in 2011
Howland 381 - Struthers is 1-1 against Howland over the last 2 years
Hubbard 288 - Struthers is 1-2 against Hubbard over the last 3 years
Jefferson Area 243 - Campbell is 3-0 against Jefferson over the last 3 years, Struthers beat Jefferson in 2011
LaBrae 177 - Campbell is 1-2 against LaBrae over the last 3 years, Struthers lost to LaBrae in 2011
Lakeview 233 - Struthers is 3-1 against Lakeview over the last 3 years, Campbell is 0-2 against Lakeview over the last 2 seasons
Liberty 168 - Campbell is 2-1 against Liberty over the last 3 years, Struthers beat Liberty in 2011
Campbell 178 - Struthers is 3-0 against Campbell over the last 3 years, Campbell has a 16-14 record over the last 3 years
Newton Falls 145 - Campbell is 3-0 against Newton Falls over the last 3 years
Niles 301 - Struthers is 2-0 against Niles over the last 2 years
NDCL 248 - n/a
Poland 309 - Struthers is 0-2 against Poland over the last 2 years
South Range 145 - Campbell is 2-1 against South Range over the last 3 years
Struthers 251 - Campbell is 0-3 against Struthers over the last 3 years, Struthers has a 20-12 record over the last 3 years

By your logic, Struthers should never be able to compete with teams like Niles, Poland, Canfield, or Howland... yet we do. 3-1 against Canfield and Howland (6-4 overall). And Canfield and Howland both outnumber Struthers by more than 100 boys. Except for Hubbard, everyone else in the AAC: American outnumbers Struthers by at least 50 boys.

Play with the numbers all you want. Your 1-5 against Howland in your last 6. And 2-6 against Canfield in your last 8. And Poland you're 0-6 in your last 6. Hubbard you're 1-8 in your 9. Tell me how that's being competitive. And you talk about Hubbard having its greatest team ever. Last year was your greatest team ever and you finished 3rd in the league!!!

And you can't use the " Struthers has the smallest enrollment" in the upper division and then tell me It doesn't matter that Campbell's enrollment is smaller than Struthers. You can't have it both ways.

What impact does Struthers vs Poland 7 YEARS AGO have to do with the 2014 Struthers football team?


It doesn't.

Over the last two years Struthers has shown (with Kuntz) that they can hang with anybody on their schedule.
They bring back a very taented group of guys that are some of the hardest working kids i have seen.
You can't argue that. I guess you could, lol but you guys are prone to be wrong. (The state title prediction in 2011 comes to mind)
3rd in the league at 8-2... thats a pretty tough league. How would campbell of done last season? Remeber that Niles scrimmage? NASTY

Cambell beat what? 2 teams with winning records in the last 10 years? Girard and that playoff team right? (not trying to diss am actually seeking info)

reddevil90;1639330 wrote:Dude the kids are a hell of a lot smaller from when i was in high school. But that dont mean they can't do it. Anything is possible. Rozum has been itching for this for a while. I just wish he had a hold of the 2010 squad. Wow that team was so full of talent. And it got wasted because of not having full control of players. Not all the players but a select few cause that team to stall going into the loss in the playoffs. And the coaching plays sent out i was not happy with. And also there was that one Very costly penalty.

Do you blame that ALL on Sikora?

BTrev question about this statement..."just that they play better football than Campbell". Are you referring to the last 14 years with this statement (which I agree), or are you saying that Struthers has always played better football than Campbell? For as long as those two schools have existed????

At least this thread is rolling now lol

About a month from gameday....

Spread All Day;1639437 wrote:Do you blame that ALL on Sikora?

Absolutely not. And I am not going to go into any details. But there were some disciplinary things that happened during last season that involved a couple of the senior captains that should have been left well enough alone after the decisions had been initially made. Three things that I always was concerned with was the poor conditioning of the kids, poor tackling, and the overall play of the defense over the past 5 years or so. In their defense neither Bayuk or Sikora were in the high school during the school day. And from my perspective, having your head coach in the school during the day is a key asset to keeping kids in line. When Campbell had the good teams under Coach Rozum, they were never overly blessed with good size. Those kids were talented, tough, and hard-nosed, and were never intimidated by any opponent. And from what I understand, at least through word of mouth, there are no really big kids on the team for this season. How well this year's team performs under a completely new system remains to be seen. But Rozum has always been an advocate for his kids being strong and in shape. He's also known for having lengthy practice sessions, stressing fundamentals, and placing an emphasis on his seniors that they must lead by example. Bayuk and Sikora are both good men. But the style of football we Campbell fans want to see has been AWOL for quite some time. Personally I can place no guarantees as to whether or not Coach Rozum can turn the program around in the blink of an eye. I feel it would be a mistake to believe he can in his first season back. This is indeed a work in progress. Coach Rozum has been around the block. And I do feel that if Coach Rozum didn't believe this program could be turned around he would not have come back to coaching at Campbell Memorial. But it may take some time to get the kids believing in themselves.

Spread All Day;1639436 wrote:Cambell beat what? 2 teams with winning records in the last 10 years? Girard and that playoff team right? (not trying to diss am actually seeking info)

We beat Champion 2010, South Range 2010 and 2012, Mineral Ridge 2010 and Jefferson Area 2012. All had winning records.
Last year was your best year in the last 25. You beat only two teams with winning records. Lakeview and a way smaller Brookfield team. Does that answer your question.

Spread All Day;1639437 wrote:Do you blame that ALL on Sikora?

Yup kids gave up.. Period. I was there seen it with my own two eyes. Also Zetts offensive play calls were at best atrocious. He as in Sikora never had control of any of his teams. only thing was the 2010 team was disciplined enough cause of the seniors. that was the last team to have senior leadership! its up to the coaches to keep the kids minds on the game not on the cell phones or playing catch on the sideline. there was kids sitting down laughing like who cares we lose no more practice. thats what i seen and was pisses off over it. these last 6 teams brought us out of the cellar yes! but they didn't have discipline. Not trying to start a war over this. its fact. campbell had very good teams that could have went deep into the playoffs. if rozum didn't think he could get them out of this slump he would not have come back. Discipline wins games also!

Devilone;1639466 wrote:We beat Champion 2010, South Range 2010 and 2012, Mineral Ridge 2010 and Jefferson Area 2012. All had winning records.
Last year was your best year in the last 25. You beat only two teams with winning records. Lakeview and a way smaller Brookfield team. Does that answer your question.

Was just looking for an answer there. Didn't need your smartass remark. You're like a 5th grade girl.

so 6 teams in 10 years. Got it. All hail Campbell football.

reddevil90;1639471 wrote:Yup kids gave up.. Period. I was there seen it with my own two eyes. Also Zetts offensive play calls were at best atrocious. He as in Sikora never had control of any of his teams. only thing was the 2010 team was disciplined enough cause of the seniors. that was the last team to have senior leadership! its up to the coaches to keep the kids minds on the game not on the cell phones or playing catch on the sideline. there was kids sitting down laughing like who cares we lose no more practice. thats what i seen and was pisses off over it. these last 6 teams brought us out of the cellar yes! but they didn't have discipline. Not trying to start a war over this. its fact. campbell had very good teams that could have went deep into the playoffs. if rozum didn't think he could get them out of this slump he would not have come back. Discipline wins games also!

That atriocious play calling got you guys to the playoffs though. God at Struthers we would of loved to have that play calling (saunders.............) But is that REALLY micks fault? Or is it simply a sign of the times?

Spread All Day;1639479 wrote:Was just looking for an answer there. Didn't need your smartass remark. You're like a 5th grade girl.

so 6 teams in 10 years. Got it. All hail Campbell football.

Relax with the name calling Spread. These boards were made for friendly banter. Plus, you don't know me that well.

Spread I would say a little bit of both. One probably feeds off the other. The problems all began when J. Hughes got a 1st team All State selection his junior year. The following year he was given a large amount of "flexibility" in terms of promptness and attendance. His teammates saw some favoritism and what would be tolerated when push came to shove. I think it really handicapped Mick the rest of the way. I mean if we are being very honest two linebackers were kicked off the team last year. Shorter was booted for telling an assistant to F- off multiple times during a game. Should have been kicked off, but after a couple games when the team was short players Mick decided to bring them back because "we have no linebackers". That is not hearsay FYI. I was there for the conversation. The assistant was absolutely beside himself. In the end the crazies were running the asylum and they knew it all along.

No no no. Of course I meant just over the last 14 or so years.

Honestly, I doubt Campbell would have to worry about playing any of the "big schools." Even If the Devils were up for playing them (which you've clearly made the case that they aren't)... Struthers aside, none of them would even want anything to do with Campbell. And Struthers is the smallest of that group... I could see if you didn't want to play any of the "big schools" because of their on the field product, or them being poor match ups for Campbell, or anything to do with X's and O's... but there's no mention of any of that. To just look at those schools, see their enrollment numbers, and say eh, we can't play with them... is pretty weak if you ask me. I said the same thing about Struthers when the AAC was realigned back in 2012, and we actually did have to start playing all the big schools again... no one thought we'd survive. And Struthers has held their own since then... yes or no?

I know it's only 2 years, but that's all there is to go off of. Take it or leave it. Prior to 2012, there was a 4 year window, 2008-2011 (with head coaching changes made in 2011 and 2012), between meetings with Poland, Howland, and Niles. And a 2 year window, 2010-2011, between meetings with Canfield. Your scouting reports on everyone are severely outdated. To put things into perspective, you have to go back to when the current Senior class was in elementary school to dig up a scouting report in which Struthers has a combined losing record to Poland, Niles, Canfield, and Howland.

Forget about Campbell playing up and Struthers playing down. It's a mute point, because it's all based in hypotheticals.

Serious question... another hypothetical, but not out of the realm of possibility either. If Struthers were to move up to D3 next year, would you not want to play Struthers anymore? Your logic suggests that you wouldn't. The difference in enrollment plays a factor... but is it really that big of a deal?.

You wanted me to be confident in my assessments. This is me being confident in my assessments. We're never gonna see eye to eye... or even meet anywhere in the middle... so let's just agree to disagree.

Devilone...

Why do I keep bringing it up? Why do I keep saying that Campbell wouldn't make it out of the basement if they played Struthers's schedule? Easy. Because you keep implying that Campbell is either right on par with Struthers, or better off than Struthers.

Therefore... "if Struthers can do it, Campbell can definitely do it just as well... if not better."

That's the attitude I get from you, man.

soupcitysoldier;1639488 wrote:Spread I would say a little bit of both. One probably feeds off the other. The problems all began when J. Hughes got a 1st team All State selection his junior year. The following year he was given a large amount of "flexibility" in terms of promptness and attendance. His teammates saw some favoritism and what would be tolerated when push came to shove. I think it really handicapped Mick the rest of the way. I mean if we are being very honest two linebackers were kicked off the team last year. Shorter was booted for telling an assistant to F- off multiple times during a game. Should have been kicked off, but after a couple games when the team was short players Mick decided to bring them back because "we have no linebackers". That is not hearsay FYI. I was there for the conversation. The assistant was absolutely beside himself. In the end the crazies were running the asylum and they knew it all along.

Shorter was #6?

Thats awful though, Mick shouldnt of brought him back. But if they truly had NO lb's i guess he was SOL. Why not some jv kids though?

Another thing is how can we be sure that the kids wont react the same way in the face of adversity? I mean, theres still pretty much the same kids on the team

We'll let the season sort itself out. We can agree to disagree.

How about that... we finally agree on something.

I'm not trying to dis Campbell, either. I'm just saying they have a long way to go to catch up.

Ya Spread I was very shocked. Especially because I heard it with my own ears and actually some other posters were there also. We all thought it was a bad idea. Id be willing to bet this type of "extra rope" was given more often than not. What was most disappointing it was at the end of the season when we were well on our way to a losing season. We didnt need to send that message especially for Newton Falls. Will they act the same way when facing adversity? Not really sure. I dont know if these are necessarily the same kids. The problem kids we spoke of were seniors, and the others that quit last year did not come out this year for the team. Probably for the better. I guess it all depends what the kids have invested of themselves this offseason. When you put more of yourself into something youre less likely to give up. Rozum will demand they give 110 percent during double sessions that will take up a better portion of daylight. If they quit I suspect it will be during double sessions. If they stick it out I think they will be good contributing members of the team.

soupcitysoldier;1639810 wrote:Ya Spread I was very shocked. Especially because I heard it with my own ears and actually some other posters were there also. We all thought it was a bad idea. Id be willing to bet this type of "extra rope" was given more often than not. What was most disappointing it was at the end of the season when we were well on our way to a losing season. We didnt need to send that message especially for Newton Falls. Will they act the same way when facing adversity? Not really sure. I dont know if these are necessarily the same kids. The problem kids we spoke of were seniors, and the others that quit last year did not come out this year for the team. Probably for the better. I guess it all depends what the kids have invested of themselves this offseason. When you put more of yourself into something youre less likely to give up. Rozum will demand they give 110 percent during double sessions that will take up a better portion of daylight. If they quit I suspect it will be during double sessions. If they stick it out I think they will be good contributing members of the team.

I agree. I hope none do quit. But i know that was not the case a few times in the past. Kids kicked off then back on . I was disappointed i didn't go to the rest of the games. At least now we can watch a winner even if they don't win many games. I just loved watching rozums teams in the past. they were always fired up.

reddevil90;1639857 wrote:I agree. I hope none do quit. But i know that was not the case a few times in the past. Kids kicked off then back on . I was disappointed i didn't go to the rest of the games. At least now we can watch a winner even if they don't win many games. I just loved watching rozums teams in the past. they were always fired up.

You have a PM.

Campbell fans, not to ruffle anyone's feathers here. We're all fans. But maybe it's a good idea to stop speculating on things regarding the players and just allow Coach Rozum and his staff to focus on the upcoming season. I've said it a million times that players and coaches read these forums. I for one don't want the players reading about negative things that may have happened in the past. I want them to focus and to get better. One thing I would like to find out is when the full contact scrimmages are, which teams they are against, where they are to be held, and the starting times.