83 percent of this season’s new college graduates have no jobs lined up, despite their expensive diplomas in hand.



http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/20/editorial-the-academic-recession/

Student loan payments will be hard to come by.




6 years in ........ the barack Disaster Tour rolls on .......

It was fucked in '08 when I graduated. Thanks Obama!

83%? How can that possibly be accurate?!?

Not surprised. Millennials are just so lazy and would rather play on their iPads in their parents basement rather than work.

Because most of them are retarded. It's mind-blowing how unready these kids are for the real world and how to interact with people. Just no business acumen at all, mostly because I would say a high majority of college students do not work or just have bs jobs

One great example is the one kid I lived with was getting a basic humanities degree. I asked him what his plans were and he replied he was going to try and get a sales job out of college. Then I asked how he thought he could get a job like that and how he'll feel comfortable in a corporate setting making budgets and sales plans since he did none of it in school. He then replied what's a budget

sleeper;1618290 wrote:Not surprised. Millennials are just so lazy and would rather play on their iPads in their parents basement rather than work.

I'm currently reading this in between minor work tasks today.


http://riseuptimes.org/2014/05/20/jonathon-gatehouse-america-dumbs-down/

Thoughts?

Here is a story on the subject......

http://www.nbc4i.com/story/25573527/columbus-job-market-tough-for-post-grads

"Honestly my fear is going to school for four years, getting into debt and then can't find the jobs," said Chris Scarborough, a graduate of OSU Newark."

Who gets a degree from a branch campus?

"Brooke Bishop graduated from The Ohio State University main campus last spring with a degree in Psychology.

Now, she is working in food service full-time, and has run into a delay with her career dreams."

What does she expect, you cannot do anything with a Bachelor in Psychology....you need a graduate degree.

I feel bad, but not too bad, when people spend 4 years getting a degree that they can not do anything with.

Classyposter58;1618294 wrote:Then I asked how he thought he could get a job like that and how he'll feel comfortable in a corporate setting making budgets and sales plans since he did none of it in school. He then replied what's a budget

I doubt a Boost Mobile sales rep has to make budgets, or interact with corporate.

Classyposter58;1618294 wrote:Because most of them are retarded. It's mind-blowing how unready these kids are for the real world and how to interact with people. Just no business acumen at all, mostly because I would say a high majority of college students do not work or just have bs jobs

One great example is the one kid I lived with was getting a basic humanities degree. I asked him what his plans were and he replied he was going to try and get a sales job out of college. Then I asked how he thought he could get a job like that and how he'll feel comfortable in a corporate setting making budgets and sales plans since he did none of it in school. He then replied what's a budget

Anyone else lol at the source of this post?

Without doing research I'm going to assume the number is so high because of how diluted degrees have become. One of my co workers just got her master from Capella university (LOL). This is the same lady that legitimately asked me if we live in north or South America.

Automatik;1618299 wrote: http://riseuptimes.org/2014/05/20/jonathon-gatehouse-america-dumbs-down/

Thoughts?

I may not like big business in govt, but it's hardly responsible for the state of the country.

As it relates to the thread title, part of the problem here - which others have highlighted with anecdotal stories - is easy money for college loans. Most are probably familiar with the term "easy money" in regard to the housing crisis. The correlation is that stupid people make dumb financial/life decisions.

Another part of the problem here is teachers throughout K-12, to guidance counselors, to college curriculum advisors fill kids with the BS to "follow you dream" instead of formulating a plan to get there, which would normally include a degree to pay the bills and start building your experience toward a dream job.

A "degree in humanities" mostly only benefits someone much smarter than you, who got their degree much earlier than you, and discovered they can earn a living teaching humanities!

Automatik;1618299 wrote:I'm currently reading this in between minor work tasks today.


http://riseuptimes.org/2014/05/20/jonathon-gatehouse-america-dumbs-down/

Thoughts?

Well I don't need to comment on the religious stuff because I've written books on this forum talking about the absolute ignorance related to anything religious belief. The other stuff I'm not sure really drives the fact that college grads are unable to find work. I know a few intelligent college grabs, a few with masters even, that graduated in 2011-2014 that can't find any work other than mowing lawns, bartending, or retail associates. It's a joke and its strictly because we are just so lazy as a generation and we should be more like the Boomers and be given a strong economy.

Classyposter58;1618294 wrote:Because most of them are retarded. It's mind-blowing how unready these kids are for the real world and how to interact with people. Just no business acumen at all, mostly because I would say a high majority of college students do not work or just have bs jobs

One great example is the one kid I lived with was getting a basic humanities degree. I asked him what his plans were and he replied he was going to try and get a sales job out of college. Then I asked how he thought he could get a job like that and how he'll feel comfortable in a corporate setting making budgets and sales plans since he did none of it in school. He then replied what's a budget

Sounds like your typical OU grad. I don't know a single OU grad that actually has a job with a salary.

Automatik;1618299 wrote:I'm currently reading this in between minor work tasks today.


http://riseuptimes.org/2014/05/20/jonathon-gatehouse-america-dumbs-down/

Thoughts?

Interesting read, but the thing I hate most about data is that you can make it say whatever the hell you want it to say.

like_that;1618306 wrote:Anyone else lol at the source of this post?

Something about pots and kettles came to mind.

like_that;1618308 wrote:Without doing research I'm going to assume the number is so high because of how diluted degrees have become. One of my co workers just got her master from Capella university (LOL). This is the same lady that legitimately asked me if we live in north or South America.

The whole system is fucked up, and it starts with employers.
- Employers should hold degrees and institutions to a very high standard. University of Phoenix Online should be close to the bottom.

It then moves to universities.
- Major universities are moving many of their degree programs to online so they can keep with the trend, and not lose students. Universities have also realized that failing students out of college means less money for them. Really, THE ONLY thing any university cares about is getting the most money possible, and gaining as much possible recognition from their graduates success as possible. You really think the university GAF about educating every single peon that comes through their doors? "Give me your money, pass your tests, and get on with it." The university gives zero fucks about student debt, as long as they get it up front. This all became very apparent to me in my masters program. I felt like I was paying for a piece of paper. Don't get me wrong, I learned some valuable things, but that's only because the adjunct professors were in the field, and knew what we needed to know. Any course I took from a university professor was far and away the most useless course. Done rambling, but the whole system is f'ed up.

gut;1618310 wrote:Another part of the problem here is teachers throughout K-12, to guidance counselors, to college curriculum advisors fill kids with the BS to "follow you dream"

Not true at all. While there are many out there that do, there are plenty that spread the truth. I tell many kids to go the CC route, get your Gen. Eds. out of the way, save money, and actually figure out what the hell you want to do.

ernest_t_bass;1618321 wrote:The whole system is fucked up, and it starts with employers.
- Employers should hold degrees and institutions to a very high standard. University of Phoenix Online should be close to the bottom.

That's an interesting point. Most jobs, even up to middle mgmt for a long time, didn't use to require a college degree. And in most non-technical fields, that degree has nothing to do with job performance.

But good companies STILL don't go to podunk-U to fill good entry-level jobs. The real value and opportunity in a college degree has been watered down, and the comparative "advantage" is now a graduate degree, but that is going the same direction.

Expect we may start seeing a real boom and premium for "executive education" programs. I just read an article how companies started eliminating/combining exec and senior management jobs in the downturn, and as a result it's becoming increasingly hard to find people with all the experience to do the job, especially internally. So I might make a bold prediction that people start topping out in middle mgmt, and have to go to a 1-yr exec program to PAY to get the experience to advance.

ernest_t_bass;1618323 wrote:Not true at all. While there are many out there that do, there are plenty that spread the truth. I tell many kids to go the CC route, get your Gen. Eds. out of the way, save money, and actually figure out what the hell you want to do.

Community college is for stupid people.

gut;1618329 wrote:Community college is for stupid people.

When you have a watered down system, who really gives a shit? You go to CC to get an associate's degree, then you move on to a 4 year college for the professional degree. You really think an employer (who gives a shit), is going to look past your bachelor's from tOSU, and notice that you had an associates from CSCC on there as well?

ernest_t_bass;1618331 wrote:When you have a watered down system, who really gives a shit? You go to CC to get an associate's degree, then you move on to a 4 year college for the professional degree. You really think an employer (who gives a shit), is going to look past your bachelor's from tOSU, and notice that you had an associates from CSCC on there as well?

If you're going to CC and expecting a job, you're going to have a bad time.

ernest_t_bass;1618331 wrote:When you have a watered down system, who really gives a shit? You go to CC to get an associate's degree, then you move on to a 4 year college for the professional degree. You really think an employer (who gives a shit), is going to look past your bachelor's from tOSU, and notice that you had an associates from CSCC on there as well?

If the goal is to save money on shitty academic performance, then why even bother?

CC programs aren't remotely on par. More technical degrees (like engineering, or even business) don't back-load the degree requirements. You either can't reasonably finish those programs in 2 years, or you're so hopelessly under-prepared on the 100/200 level courses that you'll struggle mightily. In either case, you've wasted time and money on that associates degree.

If you're going to be mediocre student at a mediocre school/field, then by all means do the 2+2 program.

Sister in law is a magna cum laude graduate from the University of Virginia, and a master's grad from St Andrews in Scotland. She's employed (by me).

No one is hiring. I've never thought I'd see the day when the USA was in this shape. Take it to the politics board if it must but it is getting ridiculous. We are losing an entire generation.

sleeper;1618333 wrote:If you're going to CC and expecting a job, you're going to have a bad time.

Reading is hard.

ernest_t_bass;1618345 wrote:Reading is hard.

I read what you wrote. The advice of go to CC and then transfer for your bachelors is a common piece of advice given by delusional Boomers who are clueless as to how the world actually works. I don't need to repeat what gut wrote, so I will just sit back and let your ignorance guide you.