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thavoice
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Feb 27, 2015 5:40pm
Will not disagree with you.Laley23;1708927 wrote:Well, Michigan doesnt really count with their injuries. But even so, that isnt overachieving. Overachieving is doing what Purdue is doing (though I still think Matt Painter is a bad coach). What Indiana is doing is about par for the expectations. Maybe a little better in conference. 11-7 and I will say they overachieved, but only slightly. I think most people saw 10-8 as realistic and 9-9 as most likely with 8-10 being a horrible season.
No matter what you think, going 4-7 versus Northwestern, losing at home to Penn St., only getting to S16 and losing 7 games in 2012, etc is enough to make a change. The only year Tom Crean has actually made me think he was a good coach was in 2011, and its pretty clear that is because Cody Zeller was much better than anticipated (despite being a top 15 recruit). That and Jordan Hulls ran the team on the court, getting them into the right situations.
I guess I expected less out of this team, sort of a similar to last year's team. I would like to see a difference coach, no doubt about that, but they wont pull the trigger after this season.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Feb 27, 2015 5:45pm
It depends on how the year ends. He is 100% gone if they go 1-3 (home loss + BTT loss + NCAA Loss) the next 4 games. Id make it 75% he is gone if they go 2-3 (same as others, but win 1st game of BTT). Anything else, and he is probably safe, but make no mistake, the masses want him out...and they will be heard. They may not get their wish, but IU will hear them loud and clear.thavoice;1708929 wrote:Will not disagree with you.
I guess I expected less out of this team, sort of a similar to last year's team. I would like to see a difference coach, no doubt about that, but they wont pull the trigger after this season.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Mar 1, 2015 4:58pm
Matt Costello "defending" Frank Kaminsky might be the worst mismatch I've seen all year.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Mar 1, 2015 5:15pm
You clearly didn't watch when Tom Crean though having James Blackmon Jr on him...Mulva;1709216 wrote:Matt Costello "defending" Frank Kaminsky might be the worst mismatch I've seen all year.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Mar 3, 2015 8:13pm
I'm just embarrassed by the product Tom Crean is giving this league.
Yogi guarding Aaron White in the post made me LOL allost as much as Stan Robinson/JBJr on AJ Hammons.
Yogi guarding Aaron White in the post made me LOL allost as much as Stan Robinson/JBJr on AJ Hammons.
Azubuike24
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Mar 3, 2015 8:42pm
It's probably better if IU loses vs Iowa and vs MSU. They may be better off in the long run by missing the NCAA's.
Mulva
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Mar 3, 2015 8:50pm
Rutgers only down 3 against Maryland.
Laley23
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Mar 3, 2015 9:06pm
I agree, but as a fan and alum, impossible to cheer for. I just don't see how an AD can retain this guy even if they beat MSU. These last 2 games should be enough to sway anyone on the fence. Awful.Azubuike24;1709778 wrote:It's probably better if IU loses vs Iowa and vs MSU. They may be better off in the long run by missing the NCAA's.
Ideally, Indiana beats MSU and sneaks in so I can watch them in the NCAAs. It's the best part of my year. But then, when that's over, Crean is fired...a missed tournament and an 11 seed isn't good enough. Especially after getting the #1 team in the country prior.
At least this time Indiana isn't bare bone dry of talent and can probably reel in a really good coach.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Mar 3, 2015 10:30pm
Thavoice...you ready to rethink your previous comments?
No way does Crean survive this. And if he does, Fred Glass needs to go as well (he really needs to go as well regardless).
No way does Crean survive this. And if he does, Fred Glass needs to go as well (he really needs to go as well regardless).
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thavoice
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Mar 4, 2015 11:26am
Yes. Yes I do.Laley23;1709815 wrote:Thavoice...you ready to rethink your previous comments?
No way does Crean survive this. And if he does, Fred Glass needs to go as well (he really needs to go as well regardless).
Get rid of him.
Dakick didnt come out and say it, but he hinted very, very heavily that IU doesnt belong to be in the NCAA. 10-10 vs "like" schools.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Mar 4, 2015 11:41am
I agree. I'd say they are gonna be last 4 in (and play the play in) if they lose Saturday. That means they gotta go 1-1 to maintain that spot in the BTT. If they beat MSU, they are in though.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Mar 4, 2015 11:50am
On the contrary, how can you fire a guy who wins 20+ games, makes the NCAA's and does so with almost nothing on the interior. Honestly, if that happens, I'd say IU overachieved. What he COULD be ridiculed for is the off-the-court stuff.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Mar 4, 2015 12:01pm
Because the team has a plethora of talent. He doesn't recruit a balanced roster (no interior is his problem alone).
Not hating on your comment, but I cannot fucking stand when people say a coach is safe cause he overachieved. He is overachieving cause we thought the team would suck? Makes no sense why you would keep a guy who doesn't have high expectations. I'm sorry, but there is absolutely nothing that makes me think Crean should be retained. Not 1 thing.
Not hating on your comment, but I cannot fucking stand when people say a coach is safe cause he overachieved. He is overachieving cause we thought the team would suck? Makes no sense why you would keep a guy who doesn't have high expectations. I'm sorry, but there is absolutely nothing that makes me think Crean should be retained. Not 1 thing.
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thavoice
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Mar 4, 2015 12:01pm
A school like IU should be able two win 20 in their sleep, especially with the cupcakes they schedule early on. He had 2 seasons with 20+ wins so far. This year, they probably get to that mark but you can just see this program isnt where it should be or where it was expected to be. I give him credit for taking over when Laley may have been as good of an option to start for IU. After the two seasons they ahd with Zeller that should have propelled this program back to greatness. A "bad" season should be 20-21 wins for this program.Azubuike24;1709886 wrote:On the contrary, how can you fire a guy who wins 20+ games, makes the NCAA's and does so with almost nothing on the interior. Honestly, if that happens, I'd say IU overachieved. What he COULD be ridiculed for is the off-the-court stuff.
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Mar 4, 2015 12:22pm
Uh, didn't UK basically do this with Tubby Smith? Yes, Tubby left on his own, but the writing was on the wall there and he was basically pushed out the door.Azubuike24;1709886 wrote:On the contrary, how can you fire a guy who wins 20+ games, makes the NCAA's and does so with almost nothing on the interior. Honestly, if that happens, I'd say IU overachieved. What he COULD be ridiculed for is the off-the-court stuff.
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thavoice
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Mar 4, 2015 12:25pm
How could a MLB team fire a manager who took them to the postseason 2 out of 3 seasons......Azubuike24;1709886 wrote:On the contrary, how can you fire a guy who wins 20+ games, makes the NCAA's and does so with almost nothing on the interior. Honestly, if that happens, I'd say IU overachieved. What he COULD be ridiculed for is the off-the-court stuff.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Mar 4, 2015 1:18pm
76 teams have already won 20 games this year. By the end of the year, the total will probably match last year's 122.
Its really not an accomplishment these days. And "making the tournament" is not an accomplishment when you're Indiana.
Its really not an accomplishment these days. And "making the tournament" is not an accomplishment when you're Indiana.
gerb131
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Mar 4, 2015 7:56pm
Purdue vs msu tonight
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Mar 5, 2015 12:43pm
Top 6 teams (first round bye) have been set now. It's just a question of which two of the four 11-6 teams will get two byes.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Mar 5, 2015 12:46pm
Not to turn this into the Indiana thread lol.
But rumor posted on a private chat last night (which Mike Pegram, who runs the Indiana Rivsals site gave truth too) that Crean is searching for a new job and if he can get one will accept a lower buyout than the $12M in his contract. Stevens is a real possibility (Pegram stated that this part he didnt agree with completely, saying Stevens is definitely in play if this happens, but puts it at less than 50-50...probably 40% chance).
But rumor posted on a private chat last night (which Mike Pegram, who runs the Indiana Rivsals site gave truth too) that Crean is searching for a new job and if he can get one will accept a lower buyout than the $12M in his contract. Stevens is a real possibility (Pegram stated that this part he didnt agree with completely, saying Stevens is definitely in play if this happens, but puts it at less than 50-50...probably 40% chance).
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thavoice
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Mar 5, 2015 1:01pm
ESPN just reporting that he got a vote of confidence from the AD. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12426084/tom-crean-indiana-hoosiers-gets-vote-confidence-ad-fred-glassLaley23;1710252 wrote:Not to turn this into the Indiana thread lol.
But rumor posted on a private chat last night (which Mike Pegram, who runs the Indiana Rivsals site gave truth too) that Crean is searching for a new job and if he can get one will accept a lower buyout than the $12M in his contract. Stevens is a real possibility (Pegram stated that this part he didnt agree with completely, saying Stevens is definitely in play if this happens, but puts it at less than 50-50...probably 40% chance).
but if you read it, he talks about his future hinging on just one game is not the way to go, etc.
Usually a vote of confidence is the kiss of death.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Mar 5, 2015 1:12pm
Yeah, I read that and didnt take to heart a single thread that was said. Glass is just doing his job in that interview.thavoice;1710256 wrote:ESPN just reporting that he got a vote of confidence from the AD. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12426084/tom-crean-indiana-hoosiers-gets-vote-confidence-ad-fred-glass
but if you read it, he talks about his future hinging on just one game is not the way to go, etc.
Usually a vote of confidence is the kiss of death.
Now, we just have to hope he does his job after the season and takes care of business.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Mar 5, 2015 1:19pm
Wrong for us to hope for a loss saturday and early in the B10 tourney?Laley23;1710258 wrote:Yeah, I read that and didnt take to heart a single thread that was said. Glass is just doing his job in that interview.
Now, we just have to hope he does his job after the season and takes care of business.
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Mar 5, 2015 2:25pm
Crean is IU version of OSU John Cooper. I know the feeling and can remember rooting for OSU, but also hoping in a way they would lose to get rid of him.thavoice;1710260 wrote:Wrong for us to hope for a loss saturday and early in the B10 tourney?
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Mar 5, 2015 2:41pm
I cant do it. But, at the end of the game, we have lost by 20, I wont be all that pissed lol.thavoice;1710260 wrote:Wrong for us to hope for a loss saturday and early in the B10 tourney?
Just to think, Indiana was sitting pretty as a 5-6 seed and had 6 VERY winnable games to close the year. And...now this.