SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Aug 26, 2014 10:39am
So two rookie salaries is what allowed us to sign Love?lhslep134;1647609 wrote:And we couldn't afford Love this summer unless 1) we traded for his bird rights or 2) we got rid of a bunch of salary.
There is no plausible scenario where we keep our team and still sign Love.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Aug 26, 2014 10:39am
What about a different trade that did not involve wiggins? That's my argument.lhslep134;1647609 wrote:And we couldn't afford Love this summer unless 1) we traded for his bird rights or 2) we got rid of a bunch of salary.
There is no plausible scenario where we keep our team and still sign Love.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Aug 26, 2014 11:01am
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/234715/Cavs-Attempting-To-Deal-For-Timofey-Mozgov
The Cleveland Cavaliers have been attempting to trade for Timofey Mozgov over the past six to eight weeks, according to Brian Windhorst.
But Sports.ru's Alexander Chernykh has reported that it will not happen.
Mozgov is making $4.65 million this season with the Denver Nuggets and has a $4.95 million team option in 15-16.
The Cavaliers have a clear need at backup center.
Via James Herbert/CBS Sports
The Cleveland Cavaliers have been attempting to trade for Timofey Mozgov over the past six to eight weeks, according to Brian Windhorst.
But Sports.ru's Alexander Chernykh has reported that it will not happen.
Mozgov is making $4.65 million this season with the Denver Nuggets and has a $4.95 million team option in 15-16.
The Cavaliers have a clear need at backup center.
Via James Herbert/CBS Sports
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Aug 26, 2014 11:41am
Old man Lee huh?sleeper;1647564 wrote:Or any of the other offers that were on the table. Taj Gibson and the Russian guy + a first rounder from the Bulls? LOL Garbage. The Warriors offered old man Lee and Harrison Barnes, the Suns offered Eric Bledsoe, and the Cavs trade back to back #1 overall draft picks and a 1st rounder including the best prospect since Lebron for a player who was going to leave anyways. Such a bad trade.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Aug 26, 2014 12:43pm
He's 31 and a trash player. 31 is old for a trash center.robj55;1647632 wrote:Old man Lee huh?
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Aug 26, 2014 2:36pm
18-9-2 last season. Top 26 trash player of all time.
lhslep134
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Aug 26, 2014 3:40pm
Do you have an actual question?SportsAndLady;1647612 wrote:So two rookie salaries is what allowed us to sign Love?
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Aug 26, 2014 3:41pm
It could have been Waiters and Bennett, but apparently that couldn't get the job done with Minny. It also wouldn't surprise me that Lebron would prefer to play with his new Wade (Waiters) rather than an unpolished offensive player whose best skill (defense) tends to decrease in value as teams play tighter in the post-season.Commander of Awesome;1647613 wrote:What about a different trade that did not involve wiggins? That's my argument.
There's a reason the Thunder improved when they got Thabo off the court and replaced him with an actual offensive threat.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Aug 26, 2014 3:42pm
Wasn't trying to be a dick.lhslep134;1647726 wrote:Do you have an actual question?
Did we have to give up Bennett and wiggins for the salaries to work? Why not offer other players other than wiggins to get Love?
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Aug 26, 2014 3:46pm
1) Tristan was untouchable, unfortunatelySportsAndLady;1647729 wrote: Why not offer other players other than wiggins to get Love?
2) the only other appealing trade pieces were Wiggins, Waiters, and Bennett
3) I'm venturing to guess (as I said in my post above) that Lebron wanted offense over defense in the playoffs.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Aug 26, 2014 3:47pm
So listening to griffin talk to 92.3 he said they had conversations with minna before draft. They then picked wiggins intending to keep him and make a love trade with other players. That then they got lbj and were willing to go into win a title now mode. Also said they got love who they would have hoped wiggins could turn into..from a potential standpoint.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Aug 26, 2014 3:48pm
Okay so essentially the answer to my question was yes. We had to offer those two players to get Lovelhslep134;1647730 wrote:1) Tristan was untouchable, unfortunately
2) the only other appealing trade pieces were Wiggins, Waiters, and Bennett
3) I'm venturing to guess (as I said in my post above) that Lebron wanted offense over defense in the playoffs.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Aug 26, 2014 3:52pm
Let me clarify what I'm trying to say. First, I think Wiggins has stud potential. Secondly, he's a rookie and reaching that potential will take more than 1 or 2 years. Third, his biggest flaw, dribbling and creating on his own, becomes ridiculously magnified in the playoffs. Having even one player on the court that the defense doesn't view as a threat can completely muddle an offensive scheme.
All of that being said, I still think GM Lebron is an idiot if he didn't consider that Wiggins' offensive flaws are significantly less noticeable in an offense surrounded by Lebron, Kyrie, and Waiters. But by trading for Love, Cleveland will have 4 players who are at least "very good" at putting the ball in the hoop in crunch time. The same can't be said if Wiggins is in there instead of Love.
All of that being said, I still think GM Lebron is an idiot if he didn't consider that Wiggins' offensive flaws are significantly less noticeable in an offense surrounded by Lebron, Kyrie, and Waiters. But by trading for Love, Cleveland will have 4 players who are at least "very good" at putting the ball in the hoop in crunch time. The same can't be said if Wiggins is in there instead of Love.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Aug 26, 2014 3:52pm
Griffin just said something that I think a lot of us have said. Start waiters. Then he comes off the floor but back on to take Kyrie's spot as the ball handler.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Aug 26, 2014 3:54pm
Waiters is a malcontent who is going to get moody and grumpy when he realizes he's the 4th or 5th option on this team and averages about 12 points a game. He wants to get paid, and would be happier averaging 25 a game on a shitty team than contributing on a winning team.lhslep134;1647727 wrote:It could have been Waiters and Bennett, but apparently that couldn't get the job done with Minny. It also wouldn't surprise me that Lebron would prefer to play with his new Wade (Waiters) rather than an unpolished offensive player whose best skill (defense) tends to decrease in value as teams play tighter in the post-season.
There's a reason the Thunder improved when they got Thabo off the court and replaced him with an actual offensive threat.
He thought he didn't get enough shots/touches on last years team, wait until he is stuck with the scraps left after Lebron/Kyrie/Love get theirs.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Aug 26, 2014 3:59pm
I don't know. I'm only speculating that Waiters and Bennett wasn't good enough for Minnesota.SportsAndLady;1647732 wrote:Okay so essentially the answer to my question was yes. We had to offer those two players to get Love
I harken back to what Griffin said after the draft about the ridiculousness of rumors. We don't know exactly who offered what, or how big of a difference between our offer and others'.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Aug 26, 2014 4:10pm
Later in this griffin interview you kinda got the sense they didn't want wiggins but that Minnesota did. That they preferred someone else if they intended to keep him. I think I misunderstood him earlier in the interview.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Aug 26, 2014 4:11pm
Thanks.lhslep134;1647739 wrote:I don't know. I'm only speculating that Waiters and Bennett wasn't good enough for Minnesota.
I harken back to what Griffin said after the draft about the ridiculousness of rumors. We don't know exactly who offered what, or how big of a difference between our offer and others'.
Now answer my fantasy questions lol
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Aug 26, 2014 4:17pm
That would only make sense to me if they were sure that far in advance that lebron was returning.Midstate01;1647743 wrote:Later in this griffin interview you kinda got the sense they didn't want wiggins but that Minnesota did. That they preferred someone else if they intended to keep him. I think I misunderstood him earlier in the interview.
Or if they wanted to go the Philly route, draft Embiid, and suck for 1 more year, which seems unlikely.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Aug 26, 2014 6:33pm
the Cavs didn't have to give up that much talent wise to land Love, but they had to give up that much salary wise.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Aug 26, 2014 7:12pm
Wiggins would have extended Lebron's career. He should call Kobe and ask him how the lack of a young athletic swing man to chase around the other teams best player has effected him as he's aged.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Aug 26, 2014 7:22pm
And the Cavs would have a third as many shots at a championship. STFU iggy
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 26, 2014 9:04pm
This was a very good interview. Surprised at how open Griffin was.Midstate01;1647743 wrote:Later in this griffin interview you kinda got the sense they didn't want wiggins but that Minnesota did. That they preferred someone else if they intended to keep him. I think I misunderstood him earlier in the interview.
He agreed that Love could be a defensive liability saying that was a "fair assessment." Also implied that the Wolves discussed Wiggins with the Cavs BEFORE the draft. Went on to say they didn't draft Wiggins with the intent on trading him to the Wolves but once Kyrie re-signed and Lebron committed, they saw their chance to get Love and Wiggins became available. Much more valuable info from this interview that has slipped my mind.
Midstate01
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Aug 26, 2014 9:05pm
He was extremely open. Not something most guys would say. It was a great interview.
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HelloAgain
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Aug 26, 2014 9:12pm
He could also ask how the presence of a dominant big man allowed him to win 5 titles.IggyPride00;1647796 wrote:Wiggins would have extended Lebron's career. He should call Kobe and ask him how the lack of a young athletic swing man to chase around the other teams best player has effected him as he's aged.