Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Aug 23, 2014 3:25pm
Andy??Pick6;1646874 wrote:If he is gone after this season, Griffin needs fired on the spot.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Aug 23, 2014 3:26pm
derp on my partMidstate01;1646878 wrote:Andy??
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Aug 23, 2014 5:33pm
Well the Cavs are now the best or second best team in the world.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Aug 23, 2014 6:31pm
Go Heat!!!!1!!!!'robj55;1646896 wrote:Well the Cavs are now the best or second best team in the world.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Aug 24, 2014 11:19am
just like they were before yesterday.robj55;1646896 wrote:Well the Cavs are now the best or second best team in the world.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Aug 24, 2014 4:09pm
They were the best team in the east yesterday, this gives them a major chance to win multiple titles in the next few years.Pick6;1647121 wrote:just like they were before yesterday.
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HelloAgain
Posts: 537
Aug 24, 2014 5:21pm
Are you a bigger fan of Cleveland or Miami now?robj55;1647223 wrote:They were the best team in the east yesterday, this gives them a major chance to win multiple titles in the next few years.
ohiobucks1
Posts: 4,915
Aug 25, 2014 12:09am
Where are my Reps for being right
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Aug 25, 2014 9:48am
Bad trade. Hope I'm proven wrong. My opinion is that KLove is a stat stuffer on a bad team but he is playing with LBJ so maybe it'll be okay. I think a core of LBJ, Wiggins, and Irving is much stronger than what we have now and much stronger in the future.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Aug 25, 2014 9:51am
Agreedsleeper;1647367 wrote:Bad trade. Hope I'm proven wrong. My opinion is that KLove is a stat stuffer on a bad team but he is playing with LBJ so maybe it'll be okay. I think a core of LBJ, Wiggins, and Irving is much stronger than what we have now and much stronger in the future.
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Aug 25, 2014 9:55am
Maybe the future but not even close right now
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Aug 25, 2014 10:04am
Until 3/5 of the starting line-up misses 100+ games combined.sportchampps;1647371 wrote:Maybe the future but not even close right now
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Aug 25, 2014 10:15am
I guess we will see once the season starts. My prediction is Love turns out to be what I thought he was in Minnesota, slightly above average player who padded stats on a bad team.sportchampps;1647371 wrote:Maybe the future but not even close right now
Again, I hope I'm wrong.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Aug 25, 2014 11:04am
Minnesota was above .500 with Love in the lineup last year. They had the 10th best point differential in the league, and finished with an expected W/L of 49-33. Basically, they were tough luck losers of a lot of close games.
Either he put up monster stats on what was, at worst, a decent team, or he's a good enough player to elevate a shit roster to respectability.
Either way, the big stats bad team argument doesnt really jive.
Either he put up monster stats on what was, at worst, a decent team, or he's a good enough player to elevate a shit roster to respectability.
Either way, the big stats bad team argument doesnt really jive.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Aug 25, 2014 11:09am
Right because he's going to average 26-12 on the Cavs. Sorry, but no.Mulva;1647387 wrote:Minnesota was above .500 with Love in the lineup last year. They had the 10th best point differential in the league, and finished with an expected W/L of 49-33. Basically, they were tough luck losers of a lot of close games.
Either he put up monster stats on what was, at worst, a decent team, or he's a good enough player to elevate a shit roster to respectability.
Either way, the big stats bad team argument doesnt really jive.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Aug 25, 2014 11:36am
No but he could get 20 and 15 while shooting career highs from the field and 3. He never got good looks playing on a bad team. Playing with Lebron he will get much better shots.sleeper;1647389 wrote:Right because he's going to average 26-12 on the Cavs. Sorry, but no.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 25, 2014 11:44am
Unless the Cavs are scoring 120 ppg, probably not. There are only so many basketballs on the court. He'll also have a helluva lot more impact than Mr Developmental (Wiggins) would've had over the next 3-5 years.sleeper;1647389 wrote:Right because he's going to average 26-12 on the Cavs. Sorry, but no.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Aug 25, 2014 11:48am
We can't use any positive predictions for wiggins because he's never played a game in the NBA. But you can say without any doubt that he won't have as big an impact as we think he will?BR1986FB;1647410 wrote:Unless the Cavs are scoring 120 ppg, probably not. There are only so many basketballs on the court. He'll also have a helluva lot more impact than Mr Developmental (Wiggins) would've had over the next 3-5 years.
The hypocrisy is strong with this one
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Aug 25, 2014 11:50am
And if he doesn't resign here?robj55;1647407 wrote:No but he could get 20 and 15 while shooting career highs from the field and 3. He never got good looks playing on a bad team. Playing with Lebron he will get much better shots.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Aug 25, 2014 11:52am
Exactly. Wiggins at worst is a defensive asset who doesn't need the basketball in hands because he's option #3 at best. You can't say that about Love and Irving.BR1986FB;1647410 wrote:Unless the Cavs are scoring 120 ppg, probably not. There are only so many basketballs on the court. He'll also have a helluva lot more impact than Mr Developmental (Wiggins) would've had over the next 3-5 years.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 25, 2014 1:04pm
And Love has no other skill (see rebounding, passing in the transition game) other than scoring?sleeper;1647415 wrote:Exactly. Wiggins at worst is a defensive asset who doesn't need the basketball in hands because he's option #3 at best. You can't say that about Love and Irving.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Aug 25, 2014 1:12pm
Pretty much yes. His rebounding will diminish heavily having LBJ and AV out there.BR1986FB;1647425 wrote:And Love has no other skill (see rebounding, passing in the transition game) other than scoring?
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Aug 25, 2014 2:05pm
lolsleeper;1647430 wrote:Pretty much yes. His rebounding will diminish heavily having LBJ and AV out there.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Aug 25, 2014 5:03pm
With Andy/Love/Kyrie on the same roster we might lead the free world in missed games by our starters.
All I know is this better not turn out like the last time Gilbert (in his infinite wisdom) went with a first time GM/Coach when he had Lebron and failed to land a championship.
We already saw Griffin give up more than any other GM in history trading an expiring star, and now we have all our future money locked up with 2 of the most injured "superstars" that have never lead their teams to anything but a lottery appearance.
Thank God we have Lebron back because this would have clusterfuck written all over it without him.
All I know is this better not turn out like the last time Gilbert (in his infinite wisdom) went with a first time GM/Coach when he had Lebron and failed to land a championship.
We already saw Griffin give up more than any other GM in history trading an expiring star, and now we have all our future money locked up with 2 of the most injured "superstars" that have never lead their teams to anything but a lottery appearance.
Thank God we have Lebron back because this would have clusterfuck written all over it without him.
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Aug 25, 2014 5:25pm
When games were close in the Olympics Kevin Love was one of the 5 players on the court for Team USA along side Lebron. That is enough to convince me he isn't the product of a bad team. He is a better version of Bosh. He shoots from the outside better then Bosh. Grabs rebounds better then Bosh.