SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jul 23, 2014 9:49am
Correct. There are always high school prospects who are the next best thing at one point.lhslep134;1638151 wrote:True, but that was only at ONE point. Wiggins kept, and held, the title from 14 through 18.
Wiggins has always been that, and has maintained it through his entire career thus far.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Jul 23, 2014 10:33am
I've got a sick feeling that Wiggins will indeed be involved in the Love trade. Up until now I've held out hope that he'd be a Cav, but it keeps coming back to me that when LeBron didn't mention him in his "letter", that maybe this was a harbinger of things to come. I sure as hell hope I'm wrong.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jul 23, 2014 10:36am
Lebron didn't mention Delly either, and Delly is going to be a hall of famer.vball10set;1638164 wrote:I've got a sick feeling that Wiggins will indeed be involved in the Love trade. Up until now I've held out hope that he'd be a Cav, but it keeps coming back to me that when LeBron didn't mention him in his "letter", that maybe this was a harbinger of things to come. I sure as hell hope I'm wrong.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jul 23, 2014 10:50am
So from what I've read, the non-guaranteed contracts become guaranteed on August 15th(or at least partially guaranteed). Wiggins cannot be traded for 30 days after signing(he has not signed although is expected to soon and he has to be signed to make the trade work). The puts the earliest Wiggins can be traded is August 23rd, which makes the contracts we just traded for partially guaranteed thus nullifying the benefit.
Wiggins won't be included. Book it.
Wiggins won't be included. Book it.
Benny The Jet
Posts: 2,987
Jul 23, 2014 11:01am
Bulls offered Gibson, Mirotic, and McDermott..... You serious Clark?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jul 23, 2014 11:06am
lol. Yeah and the Cavs MUST INCLUDE WIGGINS. Time for the Wolves to get real.Benny The Jet;1638175 wrote:Bulls offered Gibson, Mirotic, and McDermott..... You serious Clark?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jul 23, 2014 11:21am
Sounds about right. Love isn't worth the best prospect since '03, last years #1 overall, and future first rounders.Benny The Jet;1638175 wrote:Bulls offered Gibson, Mirotic, and McDermott..... You serious Clark?
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jul 23, 2014 11:22am
I'm not even sure who the cavs are bidding against. I doubt anything goes down before the season starts.SportsAndLady;1638179 wrote:Sounds about right. Love isn't worth the best prospect since '03, last years #1 overall, and future first rounders.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jul 23, 2014 11:24am
The Cavs offer of Waiters, Bennett, 2 future 1sts, and salary dumps is still by far the best offer on the market.SportsAndLady;1638179 wrote:Sounds about right. Love isn't worth the best prospect since '03, last years #1 overall, and future first rounders.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jul 23, 2014 11:40am
Davis is a better prospect because he possesses the same type of relative athleticism and plays a more valuable position. But that doesn't negate your point.SportsAndLady;1638179 wrote:Sounds about right. Love isn't worth the best prospect since '03, last years #1 overall, and future first rounders.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jul 23, 2014 11:49am
I don't disagree but wiggins' athleticism is unmatched IMO.lhslep134;1638182 wrote:Davis is a better prospect because he possesses the same type of relative athleticism and plays a more valuable position. But that doesn't negate your point.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jul 23, 2014 11:51am
Not relatively, which is what I said. Davis' athleticism vs other big men is comparable to Wiggins' athleticism vs other wings.SportsAndLady;1638185 wrote:I don't disagree but wiggins' athleticism is unmatched IMO.
It doesn't matter though, because the point is both possess superior athleticism for their positions. I'm kind of just nit-picking here.
Benny The Jet
Posts: 2,987
Jul 23, 2014 12:18pm
Sheridan saying Chicago offer "dwarfs" Cleveland's. Says Chicago's gives them 2 or 3 starters immediately. Flip apparently has gone full retard and is in "win now" mode, and doesn't want projects because he thinks Rubio will bolt too. No way those 3 get you into the playoffs in the west. Flip Saunders = the worst
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jul 23, 2014 12:59pm
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2014/07/23/exclusive-bulls-have-offered-gibson-mcdermott-and-mirotic-for-love/Benny The Jet;1638193 wrote:Sheridan saying Chicago offer "dwarfs" Cleveland's. Says Chicago's gives them 2 or 3 starters immediately. Flip apparently has gone full retard and is in "win now" mode, and doesn't want projects because he thinks Rubio will bolt too. No way those 3 get you into the playoffs in the west. Flip Saunders = the worst
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jul 23, 2014 1:03pm
The source who spoke to SheridanHoops said he believed the Bulls’ offer was better in the minds of the Wolves than the Cavs’ current offer of Wiggins, Anthony Bennett and a first-round pick.
Read more at http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2014/07/23/exclusive-bulls-have-offered-gibson-mcdermott-and-mirotic-for-love/#MhE1ydZpVR1fjtAK.99
I just do not understand that lol
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jul 23, 2014 1:09pm
There's a reason Kevin love barely played as a rookie, the twolves drafted 3 1st PGs in back to back drafts, and they've been a terrible team since KG left. They're terrible talent evaluators and dumber than a box of rocks.SportsAndLady;1638207 wrote:The source who spoke to SheridanHoops said he believed the Bulls’ offer was better in the minds of the Wolves than the Cavs’ current offer of Wiggins, Anthony Bennett and a first-round pick.
Read more at http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2014/07/23/exclusive-bulls-have-offered-gibson-mcdermott-and-mirotic-for-love/#MhE1ydZpVR1fjtAK.99
I just do not understand that lol
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Jul 23, 2014 1:20pm
Apparently, they didn't move forward in the brains department by getting rid of that Kahn guy who provided about 75% of Bill Simmons' basketball-related jokes for far too many years.Commander of Awesome;1638208 wrote:There's a reason Kevin love barely played as a rookie, the twolves drafted 3 1st PGs in back to back drafts, and they've been a terrible team since KG left. They're terrible talent evaluators and dumber than a box of rocks.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jul 23, 2014 1:23pm
I really hope we hear that they've accepted this deal. I want the Love saga to end and the Cavs to keep their current team(maybe get a decent C).Benny The Jet;1638193 wrote:Sheridan saying Chicago offer "dwarfs" Cleveland's. Says Chicago's gives them 2 or 3 starters immediately. Flip apparently has gone full retard and is in "win now" mode, and doesn't want projects because he thinks Rubio will bolt too. No way those 3 get you into the playoffs in the west. Flip Saunders = the worst
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jul 23, 2014 1:57pm
Apparently the bulls gave the t-wolves a deadline to accept their offer. If I am griffin I give the t-wolves the same exact deadline with an offer without wiggins.
Benny The Jet
Posts: 2,987
Jul 23, 2014 2:05pm
That's kind of goofy if true about the deadline. Not like McDermott can go anywhere for another 29 days anyways
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Jul 23, 2014 2:48pm
This has to just be another story being thrown around to try and get Cleveland to offer more. There's absolutely no way they could think that's a better offer.
Unless Golden State will include Klay Thompson (which I've read they still have refused to do) then Cleveland shouldn't even discuss Wiggins. Minnesota is trying to just throw false information out in hope Cleveland is really that desperate.
Unless Golden State will include Klay Thompson (which I've read they still have refused to do) then Cleveland shouldn't even discuss Wiggins. Minnesota is trying to just throw false information out in hope Cleveland is really that desperate.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jul 23, 2014 6:09pm
From Twitter, the Bulls really aren't all in for Kevin Love, due to not having enough Minutes for Love/Noah/Gasol. Also with Mirotic being signed as more or less a FA, can't be traded until 12/15.
Also Celtics appear to be moving on from Kevin Love trade.
So back to where we started. Cavs and Warriors.
Also Celtics appear to be moving on from Kevin Love trade.
So back to where we started. Cavs and Warriors.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jul 23, 2014 7:49pm
Chad Ford agrees with you.lhslep134;1638182 wrote:Davis is a better prospect because he possesses the same type of relative athleticism and plays a more valuable position. But that doesn't negate your point.
Chad Ford of ESPN has covered every NBA Draft since 2000 and he's ranked the top 25 prospects over the past 15 years. This ranking is based solely on each prospect's perceived potential when coming into the draft.
1. LeBron James (2003)
2. Greg Oden (2007)
3. Yao Ming (2002)
4. Kevin Durant (2007)
5. Anthony Davis (2012)
6. Darko Milicic (2003)
7. Carmelo Anthony (2003)
8. Jay Williams (2002)
9. Joel Embiid (2014)
10. Andrew Wiggins (2014)
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/233818/Ford-Ranks-Top-25-Prospects-Between-2000-2014
The "best prospect since Lebron" label was from when he was a high schooler. While the list above is still obviously some damn good company to be in, I don't think the expectations for him are at that level anymore where he's considered a once-in-a-decade talent.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jul 23, 2014 8:42pm
Other than Durant and Oden, of guys who I have seen in HS (as Jr/Sr or longer) and NCAA, Wiggins is the best player I have watched since LBJ was a Freshman at ASVSM.
And I have watched all of the above on a list other than Ming and Darko.
It might be bias from not wanting to be wrong when I first saw Wiggins. But, I dont think it is. Ive been in love with his game since he was a SO playing up a level. People forget he is young for his class. Just turned 19 right before the NCAAs, I believe.
And I have watched all of the above on a list other than Ming and Darko.
It might be bias from not wanting to be wrong when I first saw Wiggins. But, I dont think it is. Ive been in love with his game since he was a SO playing up a level. People forget he is young for his class. Just turned 19 right before the NCAAs, I believe.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jul 23, 2014 9:14pm
He obviously has the physical gifts. I think he has the game. I just don't fully believe he has the killer instinct to be a superstar. He'll put up 16-18 and be a very good defender on talent alone, which might be good enough to put the Cavs over the top as a 3rd option, but I don't personally see him ever being a guy to carry a team to a ring.Laley23;1638363 wrote:Other than Durant and Oden, of guys who I have seen in HS (as Jr/Sr or longer) and NCAA, Wiggins is the best player I have watched since LBJ was a Freshman at ASVSM.
And I have watched all of the above on a list other than Ming and Darko.
It might be bias from not wanting to be wrong when I first saw Wiggins. But, I dont think it is. Ive been in love with his game since he was a SO playing up a level. People forget he is young for his class. Just turned 19 right before the NCAAs, I believe.
Would obviously prefer to keep him, but if push comes to shove I pull the trigger to make the Love move happen. Even if he is the best prospect since Lebron, you have actual Lebron right now, and the Cavs gotta maximize the remaining window of him still being an unstoppable force in the league.
tl;dr, I'm tired of waiting for the future. It's time for the present.