sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jul 22, 2014 3:26pm
Still laughing at the Bulls trade offer. Such a joke.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jul 22, 2014 3:27pm
And exactly how many times do teams "hit" on 1st rounders at the back end of the draft? If things go as planned, that's where the Cavs will be drafting. Dump Waiters, Bennett (or TT) and a couple of future 1st rounders and add Love. Not rocket science.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jul 22, 2014 3:29pm
I don't know. Ask Miami how they feel about building a 3 max deal team with a bunch of aging washed up veterans without any future draft picks. Miami won't win another title for 30 years minimum.BR1986FB;1637963 wrote:And exactly how many times do teams "hit" on 1st rounders at the back end of the draft? If things go as planned, that's where the Cavs will be drafting. Dump Waiters, Bennett (or TT) and a couple of future 1st rounders and add Love. Not rocket science.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jul 22, 2014 3:34pm
Big difference.....Cavs have a young core, which they will keep pieces of. Miami didn't have that.sleeper;1637964 wrote:I don't know. Ask Miami how they feel about building a 3 max deal team with a bunch of aging washed up veterans without any future draft picks. Miami won't win another title for 30 years minimum.
What you want is long term winning when what will likely happen is a WHOLE lot of winning with NO rings....just like when he was here the first time. Awesome! Loved that when the Indians won ALL of those World Series rings, with all of that young talent ("we don't want to trade our 'young' Jaret Wright for Pedro Martinez") in the late 90's....oh, yeah.....
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jul 22, 2014 3:38pm
Trade away Bennett, Waiters, + draft picks and your young core becomes 3 max-deal players + a bunch of aging vets. It's a lot riskier. I won't be pissed if that's the trade, but if we give up Wiggins I will be beyond pissed.BR1986FB;1637966 wrote:Big difference.....Cavs have a young core, which they will keep pieces of. Miami didn't have that.
What you want is long term winning when what will likely happen is a WHOLE lot of winning with NO rings....just like when he was here the first time. Awesome! Loved that when the Indians won ALL of those World Series rings, with all of that young talent ("we don't want to trade our 'young' Jaret Wright for Pedro Martinez") in the late 90's....oh, yeah.....
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jul 22, 2014 3:45pm
Twitter starting to Buzz with Love deal being some what soon. Haven't been able to find real specifics though.
Maybe the Wolves realized once that amazing offer of Butler/Gibson came in, that Waiters, Bennett/TT and some Picks was really best they could do.
Maybe the Wolves realized once that amazing offer of Butler/Gibson came in, that Waiters, Bennett/TT and some Picks was really best they could do.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jul 22, 2014 3:57pm
Yep terrible mentality. If the goal is to win now and for the next few years you do what it takes to get Kevin Love. I don't care what Lebron says he wants to win right away, not wait 4 years til Andrew Wiggins develops.BR1986FB;1637956 wrote:Woo hoo ! The #22 pick in the draft after the Cavs fall just short of winning a championship. Awesome!
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jul 22, 2014 3:59pm
Lol cannot disagree with you more BR, but that seems to be the theme of our Cleveland team's opinions over the years.
Love doesn't guarantee a championship. All it guarantees is we are limited in our support of future teams with ANY decent additions due to having 3 max players.
Ask San Antonio how they're doing with their late first pick, kawhi leonard
Love doesn't guarantee a championship. All it guarantees is we are limited in our support of future teams with ANY decent additions due to having 3 max players.
Ask San Antonio how they're doing with their late first pick, kawhi leonard
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jul 22, 2014 4:01pm
Pretty sure they've won 2 more than about 1/2 the rest of the NBA has....but they did it in 4 years.sleeper;1637964 wrote:I don't know. Ask Miami how they feel about building a 3 max deal team with a bunch of aging washed up veterans without any future draft picks. Miami won't win another title for 30 years minimum.
Wonder if Bills fans would like a title from the 1990's. They've been inept ever since and never got a title. Utah Jazz, Sac Kings, Phoenix Suns.
Not sure how many years of being inept would be allowable per championship.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jul 22, 2014 4:02pm
True but Kevin Love with Lebron and Kyrie guarantee they win the East which puts them at good odds to win a title. Ideally you want to keep Wiggins but he isn't going to be in his prime for 6 or 7 years and may not become a star for 3 or 4. Can't waste the best player on the planet's prime years while you wait for his game to develop. Let's hope for Cav's fans sake that they can find a third team and make the deal without shipping off Wiggins. Leonard was the 15th pick overall also.SportsAndLady;1637972 wrote:Lol cannot disagree with you more BR, but that seems to be the theme of our Cleveland team's opinions over the years.
Love doesn't guarantee a championship. All it guarantees is we are limited in our support of future teams with ANY decent additions due to having 3 max players.
Ask San Antonio how they're doing with their late first pick, kawhi leonard
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gport_tennis
Posts: 1,796
Jul 22, 2014 4:05pm
they traded a player (george hill) to get that pick also. Not like they used their own late 20's draft pick
Benny The Jet
Posts: 2,987
Jul 22, 2014 4:08pm
TIFWIW...supposedly some news is saying it's done already
http://nesn.com/2014/07/report-kevin-love-trade-to-cavaliers-deal-is-done-no-timetable-given/
http://nesn.com/2014/07/report-kevin-love-trade-to-cavaliers-deal-is-done-no-timetable-given/
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jul 22, 2014 4:12pm
It may be true but I did laugh at "Portland Maine reporter"Benny The Jet;1637977 wrote:TIFWIW...supposedly some news is saying it's done already
http://nesn.com/2014/07/report-kevin-love-trade-to-cavaliers-deal-is-done-no-timetable-given/
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jul 22, 2014 4:28pm
Chris Sheridan ‏@sheridanhoops 34s Seems the Wolves are leaking Bulls, Nuggets interest. Trying to drive up bids. #Cavs threat to sign Wiggins on Wed. is deal pusher, too.
Sounds like Flip is stirring shit.
Sounds like Flip is stirring shit.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jul 22, 2014 4:29pm
Flip is a fucking douche. I don't even want Love.Commander of Awesome;1637979 wrote:Chris Sheridan ‏@sheridanhoops 34s Seems the Wolves are leaking Bulls, Nuggets interest. Trying to drive up bids. #Cavs threat to sign Wiggins on Wed. is deal pusher, too.
Sounds like Flip is stirring shit.
NEXT
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jul 22, 2014 4:52pm
Splitting hairs but Kawhi was actually 15th overall, so more like mid-round pick 
Stand by my statements don't want to move Wiggins, unless we get 2 assets from MIN.
Stand by my statements don't want to move Wiggins, unless we get 2 assets from MIN.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jul 22, 2014 5:07pm
More like Flip clawing desperately for a chance at Wiggins.Commander of Awesome;1637979 wrote:Chris Sheridan ‏@sheridanhoops 34s Seems the Wolves are leaking Bulls, Nuggets interest. Trying to drive up bids. #Cavs threat to sign Wiggins on Wed. is deal pusher, too.
Sounds like Flip is stirring shit.
Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
Jul 22, 2014 5:12pm
But George Hill who they traded to get Leonard was like 28th overall! Then the Spurs also have had decent late round picks in guys like Splitter and Barbosa... o and there was this guy Tony Parker they got late in the first round too. Now granted it's the Spurs so they are pretty much an exception to almost every rule.HighRoller74;1637985 wrote:Splitting hairs but Kawhi was actually 15th overall, so more like mid-round pick
Stand by my statements don't want to move Wiggins, unless we get 2 assets from MIN.
But I wouldn't give up 2 1st rounds and 2-3 other young players for Love. You're seriously mortgaging your future doing that. In 5 years Love most likely wouldn't be in Cleveland but these young players/the draft picks are more likely to still be there.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jul 22, 2014 5:20pm
Thank you.Iliketurtles;1637991 wrote:But George Hill who they traded to get Leonard was like 28th overall! Then the Spurs also have had decent late round picks in guys like Splitter and Barbosa... o and there was this guy Tony Parker they got late in the first round too. Now granted it's the Spurs so they are pretty much an exception to almost every rule.
But I wouldn't give up 2 1st rounds and 2-3 other young players for Love. You're seriously mortgaging your future doing that. In 5 years Love most likely wouldn't be in Cleveland but these young players/the draft picks are more likely to still be there.
And question..did that Portland Maine guy report wiggins involved in that trade or not? I didn't read it as him involved but my friends saying wiggins involved
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jul 22, 2014 5:25pm
No one knows. I've heard multiple trades with the most popular being Wiggins/Bennett/1st for Love and Waiters, Bennett, 2 1st for Love. I hope its neither but prefer the latter.SportsAndLady;1637995 wrote:Thank you.
And question..did that Portland Maine guy report wiggins involved in that trade or not? I didn't read it as him involved but my friends saying wiggins involved
ohiobucks1
Posts: 4,915
Jul 22, 2014 6:34pm
Utah's trading John Lucas, Malcolm Thomas and Erik Murphy to Cleveland for Carrick Felix, future 2nd and $1M, sources tell Yahoo.
ohiobucks1
Posts: 4,915
Jul 22, 2014 6:36pm
Fillers for a love trade?
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jul 22, 2014 6:40pm
Per WOJ, all non-guaranteed deals to help facilitate a Love Trade
Benny The Jet
Posts: 2,987
Jul 22, 2014 7:50pm
I'm a dummy. Explain what exactly this means as far as helping toward a trade.HighRoller74;1638005 wrote:Per WOJ, all non-guaranteed deals to help facilitate a Love Trade
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jul 22, 2014 7:56pm
Id definitely trade for Love if you are keeping Wiggins. That is SO much scoring and 2 lock-down defenders. AV is a solid C, especially on a team like that. He will have so many rebounds (offensive, especially). You now have a Big 3 + Wiggins, which, imo, gives you a big 4 by the playoffs next year. But, you have this for the next 4 years. LeBron is not ever leaving Cleveland again. He will start to age, but Wiggins will probably stay if LeBron is around...now you have Wiggins as a superstar and Kyrie as a stud (assuming he looks better with these guys). Players will want to still come there and play with those 2...and who knows if Love is still around or not, but he is only 25.
That is a pretty no brainer deal to me.
That is a pretty no brainer deal to me.