Chief of Police: Marijuana killed 37 people on the first day of legalization...

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Mar 1, 2014 10:38 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;1584845 wrote:I haven't either, but I have been annoyed to the bejesus with guys that are arguing whether Tolkien is better than CS Lewis while they are stealing my Kit-Kats.

Both groups are bothersome (and to your point, the drunks can get violent, and fortunately altercations were rare despite their 'shall we say inflated egos'), but the drunks kept it on the weekends. The stoners were pretty much doing it all during the week.
Manhattan Buckeye;1584876 wrote:I agree, but dealing with a stoned 21 year old is pretty much a mental fight. I wish the movie "Dazed and Confused" was more accurate in that Wooderson and Pink were typical people. It is still a great movie, just not so accurate. But I agree that the physical violence isn't there at all.
The thing that annoys me about drunk people it them repeating the same story 100's of times. Both can be equally annoying.
justincredible;1585183 wrote:Death penalty.
Too lenient.
Glory Days;1585496 wrote:I am curious to see if a black market develops in Colorado etc. it doesn't seem that I would be hard for the cartels to move in like they do in California and just start selling cheaper/untaxed marijuana.
As others have said, if this were true, alcohol and tobacco would be cheaper on the black market.
Mar 1, 2014 10:38pm
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Mar 1, 2014 10:57 PM
Glory Days;1586001 wrote:1%?????

http://www.bjs.gov/content/dcf/duc.cfm
So what you are saying is criminalization is obviously proving to be a successful deterrent.

Your stats suggest more people commit crimes that are not under the influence of drugs or alcohol. So what does that mean?
Mar 1, 2014 10:57pm
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Mar 2, 2014 2:30 AM
dwccrew;1586084 wrote: As others have said, if this were true, alcohol and tobacco would be cheaper on the black market.
again though, the infrastructure for a successful black market is already in place for drugs. there would be literally no change. that didn't exist for alcohol and tobacco in most forms are legal.
Mar 2, 2014 2:30am
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Mar 2, 2014 8:00 AM
Sonofanump;1585918 wrote:Just a thought. Those on drugs that prevent them from being productive members of society would need some sort of income to provide for their addiction. What I read about most in the papers is that those who need money for drugs resort to victim crime, i.e. robbery, theft, assault to gain access to good or cash to provide for such habits. If those on drugs lived in a vacuum, I would be fine with it. I don't need a meth junkie breaking into my house threatening my family and property for their addictive habit.
Getting that meth junkie serves society better and cheaper than throwing him in a prison cell.
Mar 2, 2014 8:00am
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Mar 2, 2014 8:20 AM
Taxes will start out pretty low to choke-off the black market, and then they'll gradually raise prices. People who cry about "sin" taxes usually aren't enough to matter, and so I would guess pot would average @$60 for an 1/8 with tax rates over 100% (has to be north of 50% for cigarettes in some states). Especially if you are dealing with mostly small, individual growers they aren't going to have a very strong lobby to oppose tax increases to keep prices down (and sales up).
Mar 2, 2014 8:20am
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Mar 2, 2014 10:40 AM
Pot can be grown in all 50 states at times during a calendar year. In the SW it can be grown virtually all year, producing THC buds almost continuously. States & Feds will figure out a way to make a shit pile of money.
Mar 2, 2014 10:40am
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Mar 2, 2014 1:05 PM
Glory Days;1586122 wrote:again though, the infrastructure for a successful black market is already in place for drugs. there would be literally no change. that didn't exist for alcohol and tobacco in most forms are legal.
Yes it did for alcohol. There was a successful black market in place during prohibition and it basically disappeared overnight when it was repealed.
Mar 2, 2014 1:05pm
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Mar 2, 2014 4:42 PM
I Wear Pants;1586218 wrote:Yes it did for alcohol. There was a successful black market in place during prohibition and it basically disappeared overnight when it was repealed.
the alcohol black market DURING prohibition is peanuts compared to the drug trade now.
Mar 2, 2014 4:42pm