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Feb 26, 2014 4:00 PM
Saw a Quinnipiac(sp?) poll for Ohio that had 80%+ in favor of medical pot, and 51% in favor of full legalization. It's coming soon. I've never smoked pot, but don't have a problem with people that do, as I don't see it as being worse than getting drunk.
Feb 26, 2014 4:00pm
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Feb 26, 2014 4:03 PM
se-alum;1584944 wrote:Saw a Quinnipiac(sp?) poll for Ohio that had 80%+ in favor of medical pot, and 51% in favor of full legalization. It's coming soon. I've never smoked pot, but don't have a problem with people that do, as I don't see it as being worse than getting drunk.
And it's certainly not worth the collateral damage that comes with trying to fight it. The number of completely innocent people killed in raids on the wrong houses is staggering.
Feb 26, 2014 4:03pm
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Feb 26, 2014 5:09 PM
sleeper;1584933 wrote:Curious your thoughts on radios in cars since radios cause more accidents and subsequent deaths than alcoholic consumption? Should that be zero tolerance as well?
Link please. I find it odd that a radio is more dangerous than impaired driving.
Feb 26, 2014 5:09pm
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Feb 26, 2014 5:15 PM
Sonofanump;1584985 wrote:Link please. I find it odd that a radio is more dangerous than impaired driving.
Well, when you consider that most (as in the vast majority) cars have some sort of radio/music set-up and only a limited number have a drunk driver, one could say that more accidents are caused by the radio than drunk driving.

I mean, to use that in the manner Sleeper did is basically the definition of logical fallacy, but if not for that, what would he ever have to say?
Feb 26, 2014 5:15pm
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Feb 26, 2014 5:17 PM
Sonofanump;1584985 wrote:Link please. I find it odd that a radio is more dangerous than impaired driving.
I don't have the stats he's referencing nor do I know if his assertion is valid. But he never said radios are more dangerous... he said they cause more accidents, which I suppose is plausible given that a radio is a distraction and there are certainly more people driving around more total time using the radio versus those driving around while impaired.
Feb 26, 2014 5:17pm
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Feb 26, 2014 7:54 PM
Of course
Feb 26, 2014 7:54pm
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Feb 27, 2014 4:12 AM
Don't smoke but what are the prices of the newly legalized pot out west. Those states have to be making a killing on taxes. Wind is coming out of the west guys (like it or not).:RpS_w00t:
Feb 27, 2014 4:12am
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Feb 27, 2014 8:10 AM
hang_loose;1585123 wrote:Don't smoke but what are the prices of the newly legalized pot out west. Those states have to be making a killing on taxes. Wind is coming out of the west guys (like it or not).:RpS_w00t:
Not sure, but I will find out in August. I do know that Colorado is making a lot more than they were expecting. Not sure if that's just from the initial rush but it certainly makes more sense (from a State's perspective, I hate the taxing scheme) to make money off of it rather than spend a ton to enforce ridiculous laws against it.
Feb 27, 2014 8:10am
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Feb 27, 2014 9:09 AM
hang_loose;1585123 wrote:Don't smoke but what are the prices of the newly legalized pot out west. Those states have to be making a killing on taxes. Wind is coming out of the west guys (like it or not).:RpS_w00t:
I think they were predicting around $185/ounce once demand stabilizes, not including taxes (which I think is 25%?). So end of the day you're getting an 8th for ~$30.

And yes, they have to be making a killing. They're now saying it could be upwards of $610 million in recreational sales in the state this year (source: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/21/us/colorado-expects-to-reap-tax-bonanza-from-legal-marijuana-sales.html). At 25%, you're looking at north of $100m in tax revenues.
Feb 27, 2014 9:09am
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Feb 27, 2014 9:25 AM
Sonofanump;1584927 wrote:This is my only concern. I am for zero tolerance.
What's that mean?
Feb 27, 2014 9:25am
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Feb 27, 2014 9:44 AM
I Wear Pants;1585170 wrote:What's that mean?
Death penalty.
Feb 27, 2014 9:44am
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Feb 27, 2014 9:44 AM
justincredible;1585148 wrote:Not sure, but I will find out in August. I do know that Colorado is making a lot more than they were expecting. Not sure if that's just from the initial rush but it certainly makes more sense (from a State's perspective, I hate the taxing scheme) to make money off of it rather than spend a ton to enforce ridiculous laws against it.
That is the other side of the coin. I wonder how much money is being saved by not policing marijuana in addition to the absurd tax revenue they are collecting.
Feb 27, 2014 9:44am
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Feb 27, 2014 9:57 AM
sleeper;1585184 wrote:That is the other side of the coin. I wonder how much money is being saved by not policing marijuana in addition to the absurd tax revenue they are collecting.
It should thin out the jails and reduce the amount of federal funding being poured into departments for drug war busts. The book I mentioned above broke down the numbers and it was staggering. Hundreds of billions of dollars a year, though it does fluctuate based on federal programs shutting down, changing names, reopening, etc. Obama just brought back a program that shut down not too long ago and ramped up their budget. All while claiming pot is no worse than alcohol. And he has the power to declassify marijuana as a schedule 1 drug, but when called out to do just that he of course deflected responsibility to congress.
Feb 27, 2014 9:57am
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Feb 27, 2014 10:06 AM
justincredible;1585183 wrote:Death penalty.
Obviously.
Feb 27, 2014 10:06am
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Feb 28, 2014 2:33 AM
I am curious to see if a black market develops in Colorado etc. it doesn't seem that I would be hard for the cartels to move in like they do in California and just start selling cheaper/untaxed marijuana.
Feb 28, 2014 2:33am
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Feb 28, 2014 4:35 AM
gorocks99;1585166 wrote:I think they were predicting around $185/ounce once demand stabilizes, not including taxes (which I think is 25%?). So end of the day you're getting an 8th for ~$30.

And yes, they have to be making a killing. They're now saying it could be upwards of $610 million in recreational sales in the state this year (source: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/21/us/colorado-expects-to-reap-tax-bonanza-from-legal-marijuana-sales.html). At 25%, you're looking at north of $100m in tax revenues.
I wish I could grow gold on a bush!!! I have some friends that "pan or mine" gold (one in central Ohio). Some have done pretty good but it does take a toll on your back! Still, a couple of them are heading back "WEST" this May/June to bring more dust and nuggets back.... Believe it or not, there is gold in Ohio creeks!

Sorry guys, I went waaayyy off the OP'S subject.
Feb 28, 2014 4:35am
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Feb 28, 2014 8:17 AM
hang_loose;1585499 wrote:I wish I could grow gold on a bush!!! I have some friends that "pan or mine" gold (one in central Ohio). Some have done pretty good but it does take a toll on your back! Still, a couple of them are heading back "WEST" this May/June to bring more dust and nuggets back.... Believe it or not, there is gold in Ohio creeks!

Sorry guys, I went waaayyy off the OP'S subject.
I would love to this
Feb 28, 2014 8:17am
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Feb 28, 2014 8:48 AM
a little is ok...too much is a big no

Feb 28, 2014 8:48am
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Feb 28, 2014 11:18 AM
sleeper;1584761 wrote:Poor SEC states are typically conservative. Once we get a marijuana lobby big enough, they can find some quote in the bible about the green and say its "God's drug" and its part of his plan and the morons(read: religious people) will eat it up.
:RpS_blink::RpS_mellow:
Feb 28, 2014 11:18am
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Feb 28, 2014 1:34 PM
Glory Days;1585496 wrote:I am curious to see if a black market develops in Colorado etc. it doesn't seem that I would be hard for the cartels to move in like they do in California and just start selling cheaper/untaxed marijuana.
Same could be said for tobacco, alcohol, etc but we don't see a very large black market for those items. Sure some people do it but most people go to the grocery, liquor store, or gas station for their booze because the taxes are actually a small price to pay for peace of mind. Hell we had a large black market for alcohol while it was illegal and it basically disappeared the second people could buy from businessman in stores rather than from criminals in back alleys.
Feb 28, 2014 1:34pm
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Feb 28, 2014 2:24 PM
I Wear Pants;1585693 wrote:Same could be said for tobacco, alcohol, etc but we don't see a very large black market for those items. Sure some people do it but most people go to the grocery, liquor store, or gas station for their booze because the taxes are actually a small price to pay for peace of mind. Hell we had a large black market for alcohol while it was illegal and it basically disappeared the second people could buy from businessman in stores rather than from criminals in back alleys.
This. Why would someone go to some sketchy place to save a few bucks when they can get it legally from a business that is regulated.
Feb 28, 2014 2:24pm
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Feb 28, 2014 2:39 PM
Fly4Fun;1585710 wrote:This. Why would someone go to some sketchy place to save a few bucks when they can get it legally from a business that is regulated.
Depends on the price difference and overall sketchiness of where you buy. If it were considerably cheaper and I had access to a non-sketchy place to buy I would stick to the black market. Not all black market dealings happen in dark alleys.
Feb 28, 2014 2:39pm
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Feb 28, 2014 3:00 PM
justincredible;1585731 wrote:Depends on the price difference and overall sketchiness of where you buy. If it were considerably cheaper and I had access to a non-sketchy place to buy I would stick to the black market. Not all black market dealings happen in dark alleys.
Meh, I'll pay a pretty significant premium for my liquor or weed or whatever to have a legal guarantee of being what it says it is and the ability to sue someone if it isn't.
Feb 28, 2014 3:00pm
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Feb 28, 2014 3:13 PM
I Wear Pants;1585744 wrote:Meh, I'll pay a pretty significant premium for my liquor or weed or whatever to have a legal guarantee of being what it says it is and the ability to sue someone if it isn't.
You, perhaps. But there will still be a black market if "legal" prices aren't reasonable.
Feb 28, 2014 3:13pm
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Feb 28, 2014 3:15 PM
And like I said before, not all black market transactions are shady. If you're buying from someone where you have to question the quality, you're doing it wrong.
Feb 28, 2014 3:15pm