like_that
Posts: 26,625
Dec 17, 2014 11:12am
You saw him play in HS? If you did, you would have known he was overrated.Commander of Awesome;1686977 wrote:Too tough of a question for me. Troy Smith is probably my favorite OSU player of all time though.
Saine is still the biggest disappointment. I thought he was going to pwn after seeing him play in HS.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Dec 17, 2014 11:13am
Did you play against him? I can't remember when he graduated. I heard he was a stud in HS, but never got to watch him.like_that;1686982 wrote:You saw him play in HS? If you did, you would have known he was overrated.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 17, 2014 11:16am
Yeah my buddy's cousin played against him and told me how dominate he was. Then when I found out he was going to OSU I started catching replays of his games, etc...
His highlight tape is best I've seen.
At etb, piqua
His highlight tape is best I've seen.
At etb, piqua
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Dec 17, 2014 11:19am
Saine was more of a stud on the track.
Griffin
George
Spielman
Pace
Griffin
George
Spielman
Pace
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Dec 17, 2014 11:22am
I knew where he was from. Just asking if LT played against him.Commander of Awesome;1686988 wrote:At etb, piqua
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 17, 2014 11:30am
I have been to one track meet in my life to see my buddy from hs run. And he was going up against saine. Guy was so fucking fast.Ironman92;1686990 wrote:Saine was more of a stud on the track.
Griffin
George
Spielman
Pace
I too thought saine was going to be awesome at OSU. Womp womp.
Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
Dec 17, 2014 11:44am
I had a friend who played football with Saine at Piqua and always talked him up even when he got to the Packers in the NFL lol I believe he graduated in 2007. Dude was definitely fast I remember watching him at state track meets and everyone that I knew who had saw him play football in HS all told me he would be a stud RB at OSU.
I like Ironman's Mount Rushmore list. My 3 for sure are Griffin, Pace, and George.
I like Ironman's Mount Rushmore list. My 3 for sure are Griffin, Pace, and George.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Dec 17, 2014 11:50am
I only saw him play once in HS, in the '06 state title game against Pickerington Central. He had like 190 yards and 3 tds in the first half including TD runs of 50+ and 80+. Definitely not overrated in that game.like_that;1686982 wrote:You saw him play in HS? If you did, you would have known he was overrated.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 17, 2014 12:08pm
Fun fact, I had class with Brandon Saine. He is a terrible public speaker, probably only slightly above the Chinese folks with English as their second language.Commander of Awesome;1686977 wrote:Too tough of a question for me. Troy Smith is probably my favorite OSU player of all time though.
Saine is still the biggest disappointment. I thought he was going to pwn after seeing him play in HS.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Dec 17, 2014 12:24pm
While I don't disagree with Orlando Pace, can someone provide an explanation as to why you would list him as one of the 4 greatest to ever don the scarlet and gray?
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Dec 17, 2014 12:31pm
He blew the national title game IMO. Joe Germaine better as was Bobby Hoyng IMO. Rex Kern could be on that list as could Cornelius Green. Art Schlichter another.sleeper;1686957 wrote:T. Smith is perhaps the second best QB ever to play for Ohio State. Krenzel will always be #1 in my book because he won a national championship against a NFL roster.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 17, 2014 12:32pm
The players you listed would never make OSU in the modern era. They would play for some MAC school at best.centralbucksfan;1687041 wrote:He blew the national title game IMO. Joe Germaine better as was Bobby Hoyng IMO. Rex Kern could be on that list as could Cornelius Green. Art Schlichter another.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Dec 17, 2014 12:33pm
I put him there because some would argue he's the greatest ever at his position.ernest_t_bass;1687032 wrote:While I don't disagree with Orlando Pace, can someone provide an explanation as to why you would list him as one of the 4 greatest to ever don the scarlet and gray?
But I do agree with your Chic Harley reasoning too.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Dec 17, 2014 1:01pm
So, a guy who couldn't even become a pure starter at Ohio State until his final year and never played for a title due to the Bucks always choking against one Michigan team or another during his time is better than a dude with a great career who happened to suck ass in a national championship game?centralbucksfan;1687041 wrote:He blew the national title game IMO. Joe Germaine better as was Bobby Hoyng IMO. Rex Kern could be on that list as could Cornelius Green. Art Schlichter another.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Dec 17, 2014 1:08pm
Even though I vehemently disagree, assume you're right. He's still the first QB since Tippy Dye to go 3-0 vs Michigan, and those were some good Michigan teams where we weren't always the favorite. That, along with winning the Heisman and leading us to the national championship game, is enough to vault him over the names you listed.centralbucksfan;1687041 wrote:He blew the national title game IMO.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 17, 2014 1:10pm
Not to mention the offensive line is what blew the FLA game and we lost our best receiver on play 1 of the game. But whatever.lhslep134;1687066 wrote:Even though I vehemently disagree, assume you're right. He's still the first QB since Tippy Dye to go 3-0 vs Michigan, and those were some good Michigan teams where we weren't always the favorite. That, along with winning the Heisman and leading us to the national championship game, is enough to vault him over the names you listed.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Dec 17, 2014 1:17pm
Ughhh yeah. Troy was ass, but you can't blame the that entire debacle on him. Got schooled in all facets, coaching included.
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Dec 17, 2014 1:55pm
Correct. But he was the leader of the team. And I said from the time he got in trouble at OSU, that OSU will never win a title with him behind center. Just my opinion.Automatik;1687078 wrote:Ughhh yeah. Troy was ass, but you can't blame the that entire debacle on him. Got schooled in all facets, coaching included.
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Dec 17, 2014 1:57pm
Germain not starting his junior year was pure bullshit coaching and also cost OSU. He was head and shoulders above Jackson. Cooper, like the idiot he was many times, wouldn't do what he should have done and most thought he should have done.Heretic;1687061 wrote:So, a guy who couldn't even become a pure starter at Ohio State until his final year and never played for a title due to the Bucks always choking against one Michigan team or another during his time is better than a dude with a great career who happened to suck ass in a national championship game?
And even at that, he had better career stats than Smith, threw for 800 more yds than Smith did during seniors years, more career TD's and mroe passing yards. And this while not being a full time starter. Certainly can give Smith the Michigan games...but sorry, considering someone this and that over 3 games and overlooking a career is just stupid.
Germain was probably the best pure passer to ever play at QB for OSU.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 17, 2014 2:02pm
You probably physically patted yourself on the back after that brilliant call, didn't you?centralbucksfan;1687090 wrote:Correct. But he was the leader of the team. And I said from the time he got in trouble at OSU, that OSU will never win a title with him behind center. Just my opinion.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Dec 17, 2014 2:05pm
Tough to lead when you've got 4 guys in your face .5 seconds after every fucking snap.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Dec 17, 2014 2:05pm
lol also we now know we have to take his Smith inclusion, or lack thereof I should say, with a gigantic grain of salt because of his personal bias against Smith.SportsAndLady;1687097 wrote:You probably physically patted yourself on the back after that brilliant call, didn't you?
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Dec 17, 2014 2:51pm
Smith would be 4th string on this year's team. If he beat out Stephen Collier.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Dec 17, 2014 3:13pm
People are quick to hate on Smith, but he was a hell of a player.
What about that total CLOWNSTOMPING of Notre Dame? It was fucking glorious.
Waiting for reps from sleeper for the use of clownstomp and ND in the same sentence.
What about that total CLOWNSTOMPING of Notre Dame? It was fucking glorious.
Waiting for reps from sleeper for the use of clownstomp and ND in the same sentence.
Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
Dec 17, 2014 3:29pm
Would have been even better if you had said the bold as well.Automatik;1687142 wrote:People are quick to hate on Smith, but he was a hell of a player. And you can take that to the bank!
What about that total CLOWNSTOMPING of Notre Dame? It was fucking glorious.
Waiting for reps from sleeper for the use of clownstomp and ND in the same sentence.