I don't want to lose ward. But if it means getting byrd, then I'm OK with it.

Ironman92;1586601 wrote:You don't wanna lose Ward do you? He has that chip every defense needs.

I would personally prefer Byrd over Ward, assuming those rumors have merit.

I just don't get how we have all this cap room and we can't even fucking sign out own pro bowlers. What the hell was the point in saving all this cap?

Ward is a hard hitting SS. Not the end all be all IMO. Replaceable.

I don't buy Byrd is better than ward, and it will piss me off if we end up spending more on Byrd than we would have on ward.

like_that;1586605 wrote:I just don't get how we have all this cap room and we can't even fucking sign out own pro bowlers. What the hell was the point in saving all this cap?

I agree, should have resigned Ward, but he's basically a LBer playing safety. Can't cover worth a shit, not a difference maker/play maker in the secondary IMO.

Commander of Awesome;1586606 wrote:Ward is a hard hitting SS. Not the end all be all IMO. Replaceable.

Yeah a pro bowl safety who creates turnovers is easily replaceable. /sarcasm

like_that;1586609 wrote:Yeah a pro bowl safety who creates turnovers is easily replaceable. /sarcasm

Byrd had significantly more turn overs. That's actually an arguement against ward.

Commander of Awesome;1586610 wrote:Byrd had significantly more turn overs. That's actually an arguement against ward.

Agreed. Byrd has 20 INTs in his career compared to Ward. I'll take a ballhawks safety over hard bitter. Now had Goddell not changed the NFL and your safety could be a hard hitter still it'd be hard to let Ward go, but Goodell has ruined the hard hitting safety. Too bad we can't have both.

shook_17;1586621 wrote:Agreed. Byrd has 20 INTs in his career compared to Ward. I'll take a ballhawks safety over hard bitter. Now had Goddell not changed the NFL and your safety could be a hard hitter still it'd be hard to let Ward go, but Goodell has ruined the hard hitting safety. Too bad we can't have both.

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I wouldnt blame it on Goodell. The lawsuit against the league from past players has gone a long way in determining the direction of the league. If you are getting sued for such things then the next step is taking precautions, many being overly cautious and it sucks at times but the players union wanted safety, and the league is getting them that

Are we getting new unis??

Not suppose to be til 2015

EDIT: Just found this on the OBR about new uniforms. Next year before the draft.
Keith Britton ‏ @ KeithBritton8614m# Browns president @ scheiner_alec on @ BullandFox right now on @ 923TheFan. Listen here: http://******/923FanListen

Keith Britton ‏ @ KeithBritton86 8m
. @ scheiner_alec "We'll have cutting edge uniforms that link back to our history...I'd be very surprised if our fans don't love our new look"

Believeland Insider ‏ @ Believeland24x7 5m
# Browns to unveil their new uniforms in 2015 before draft, "We'll have cutting edge uniforms that link back to our history" @ scheiner_alec

Daryl Ruiter ‏ @ RuiterWrongFAN 3m
Scheiner said new # Browns unis to be unveiled March/April next year before the 2015 NFL Draft

Daryl Ruiter ‏ @ RuiterWrongFAN 6m
Scheiner said as a business they've moved forward despite all the changes (again); # Browns fortunate Ray Farmer said no to Miami

Daryl Ruiter ‏ @ RuiterWrongFAN 5m
Scheiner tells @ BullandFox that Joe Banner is no longer involved with # Browns and is out of the building

Keith Britton ‏ @ KeithBritton86 5m
# Browns president @ scheiner_alec tells @ BullandFox Joe Banner is no longer in the building "We're working with our people, now"

Keith Britton ‏ @ KeithBritton86 4m
# Browns Alec Scheiner tells @ BullandFox re: Lombardi Browns folder: "If it's information leaving our building, we're concerned"

I'd puke if the Browns traded up to #2 to select Bortles. Bridgewater is the best qb of this class and will be a very successful pro. I don't get it, the last two years Bridgewater has been pimped to be this sure fire number 1 overall pick now that they have all the time in the world to degrade qbs he isn't worthy? Screw that, show me the film, film shows me hes the best in the class.
Pat Kirwan ‏ @ PatKirwanCBS 3mNEW MOCK DRAFT: Where Blake Bortles becomes a Cleveland Browns QB http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pat-kirwan/24467671/mock-draft-cl...o-2-for-bortles …

shook_17;1586931 wrote:I'd puke if the Browns traded up to #2 to select Bortles. Bridgewater is the best qb of this class and will be a very successful pro. I don't get it, the last two years Bridgewater has been pimped to be this sure fire number 1 overall pick now that they have all the time in the world to degrade qbs he isn't worthy? Screw that, show me the film, film shows me hes the best in the class.
Pat Kirwan ‏ @ PatKirwanCBS 3mNEW MOCK DRAFT: Where Blake Bortles becomes a Cleveland Browns QB http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pat-kirwan/24467671/mock-draft-cl...o-2-for-bortles …

I think Bridgewater and Bortles will both be very good pros, not sure I would trade up, unless I thought they would both be gone at #4, and the price wasn't ridiculous.

Also, I saw last night that Pettine stated the Browns didn't talk to Manziel at the combine.

For all you guys that are flipping out about the Browns and Ward not striking a deal yet...

T.J. Ward - DB - Browns

Free agent T.J. Ward's player rep says he's had "detailed contract discussions" with the Browns.

Ward's rep says the sides have had extensive talks since the Combine, and that Ward "(remains) open to further discussions." It sounds like a deal could still be struck before Tuesday's official start of free agency, but that Ward is ready to hit the open market after he wasn't franchise tagged. The sides' exclusive negotiating window ends Saturday.

If we don't re-sign Ward, hoping for Byrd.

Really don't want to trade up for any of the QB's in this draft.

We won't retain ward or sign Brryd. Book it.

like_that;1586968 wrote:We won't retain ward or sign Brryd. Book it.

Agreed. We ALWAYS strike out.

shook_17;1586971 wrote:Agreed. We ALWAYS strike out.

Stubbs'd

I'm starting to really worry that the Browns will take Carr at 26. I really want nothing to do with Carr, would be ok with Garopollo(sp?) I think. Still want a QB if Bortles or Bridgewater is there at #4.

Bess has been released. Good riddance.

se-alum;1587068 wrote:I'm starting to really worry that the Browns will take Carr at 26. I really want nothing to do with Carr, would be ok with Garopollo(sp?) I think. Still want a QB if Bortles or Bridgewater is there at #4.

Bridgewater! He will be the best of the class. Bortles I'm unsure of, and I love Manziel, I think he can be great.

shook_17;1587134 wrote:Bridgewater! He will be the best of the class. Bortles I'm unsure of, and I love Manziel, I think he can be great.

I'd be very happy with Bridgewater or Bortles, though I like Bortles more.

Colts signed Jackson 4 year 22 million. 11 million guaranteed

Wouldn't mind swapping ILB with the Colts and snagging Pat Angerer if he shows he's recovered from his surgery. Still a young, talented LB that had a couple seasons derailed by injuries. D'Qwell wasn't without his own injury issues around the same stage of his career as Angerer is now. And he was able to rebound nicely and become consistent and play all 16 games the next three seasons.