Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Feb 28, 2014 2:10pm
You're basing this on what?Laley23;1585701 wrote:These moves are smart. I wouldn't be shocked with Farmers track record of bullding teams if he found a guy we haven't heard of in FA or late rounds of draft and he makes more impact plays than Rubin.
Ill give Farmer a long leash. His eye for talent over the years, IMO, has
earned it for himself.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Feb 28, 2014 2:14pm
The roster he had a large hand in building in Kansas City. A lot of those guys were obvious (Eric Berry), but a lot of guys on that team were risky/unknown/etc.Commander of Awesome;1585705 wrote:You're basing this on what?
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Feb 28, 2014 2:16pm
Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy he's the GM and have faith in the long run he'll help improve the talent base, but he hasn't been THE guy anywhere yet. If his first 2 moves as GM are cutting DQ and Rubin I'm less than impressed so far. He better be working on keeping Mack/Ward/Haden.Laley23;1585706 wrote:The roster he had a large hand in building in Kansas City. A lot of those guys were obvious (Eric Berry), but a lot of guys on that team were risky/unknown/etc.
Cutting DQ over a $4million dollar roster bonus is ridiculous. Good luck getting a starting caliber ILBer that's better than DQ for less than $4 million. If he can do it, great! But I think we all know that's not going to happen.
Laley23
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Feb 28, 2014 2:26pm
I don't know whether to agree or disagree. He obviously needs to replace DQ, but I'm not sure going young, even if unproven, isn't the best way. You need youth in the NFL. DQ was declining and not a playmaker.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Feb 28, 2014 2:28pm
Dolphins are trying to trade Dion Jordan lol
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Feb 28, 2014 2:37pm
This. DQ is not a starting caliber mlb anymore. As much as I loved the guy it is what it is and it needed to happen. So far farmer has cut dead weight and is trying to work on extensions for the core players. IMO that's the best way to build this team. Get rid of the dead weight replace with younger cheaper equally or more productive players. And lock up the core playersLaley23;1585715 wrote:I don't know whether to agree or disagree. He obviously needs to replace DQ, but I'm not sure going young, even if unproven, isn't the best way. You need youth in the NFL. DQ was declining and not a playmaker.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Feb 28, 2014 3:10pm
Agreed. DQ was 41st among ILBs on PFF and getting older. He's the type of guy I'd like to have for passing situations, but not at that money.Crimson streak;1585727 wrote:This. DQ is not a starting caliber mlb anymore. As much as I loved the guy it is what it is and it needed to happen. So far farmer has cut dead weight and is trying to work on extensions for the core players. IMO that's the best way to build this team. Get rid of the dead weight replace with younger cheaper equally or more productive players. And lock up the core players
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Feb 28, 2014 3:25pm
Wow didn't realize he was rated so poorly.lhslep134;1585752 wrote:Agreed. DQ was 41st among ILBs on PFF and getting older. He's the type of guy I'd like to have for passing situations, but not at that money.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Feb 28, 2014 3:44pm
It wasn't just 4M, his cap number this year was 9M+, so they saved 5M+.Commander of Awesome;1585707 wrote:Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy he's the GM and have faith in the long run he'll help improve the talent base, but he hasn't been THE guy anywhere yet. If his first 2 moves as GM are cutting DQ and Rubin I'm less than impressed so far. He better be working on keeping Mack/Ward/Haden.
Cutting DQ over a $4million dollar roster bonus is ridiculous. Good luck getting a starting caliber ILBer that's better than DQ for less than $4 million. If he can do it, great! But I think we all know that's not going to happen.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Feb 28, 2014 3:58pm
He was fine in coverage (25th) but terrible against the run (48).Commander of Awesome;1585766 wrote:Wow didn't realize he was rated so poorly.
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Feb 28, 2014 4:20pm
Good stuff.lhslep134;1585786 wrote:He was fine in coverage (25th) but terrible against the run (48).
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Feb 28, 2014 4:36pm
It kinda makes sense when you combine the numbers with the tape. As someone said earlier, DQ had a bunch of tackles but they were all downfield, similar to AJ Hawk (who finished 52/55 against the run). It makes sense when you look at the ILBs who finished near the top against the run, they're all guys who make plays at the LOS: Brandon Spikes, Kuechly, Willis, Cushing, and Tulloch.Dr. KnOiTaLL;1585793 wrote:Good stuff.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Feb 28, 2014 5:12pm
+1 get rid of dead weight instead of signing dead weight like we have done in the last 10 years.Crimson streak;1585727 wrote:This. DQ is not a starting caliber mlb anymore. As much as I loved the guy it is what it is and it needed to happen. So far farmer has cut dead weight and is trying to work on extensions for the core players. IMO that's the best way to build this team. Get rid of the dead weight replace with younger cheaper equally or more productive players. And lock up the core players
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Feb 28, 2014 5:20pm
Dead weight. Rabble rabble.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Feb 28, 2014 5:25pm
Exactly. I honestly love what farmer is doing so far. Does it suck to see those guys go? Yeah but at the same time if they can't produce get rid of them especially bc of their contracts.like_that;1585808 wrote:+1 get rid of dead weight instead of signing dead weight like we have done in the last 10 years.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Feb 28, 2014 5:41pm
Wouldn't be upset with them cutting Rubin, just like wasn't upset for them cutting DQ.
They can find a replacement for DQ, at league minimum pricing, and still be just as productive.
They can find a replacement for DQ, at league minimum pricing, and still be just as productive.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Mar 1, 2014 1:29pm
Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 1h
With Packers having difficulty locking up CB Sam Shields prior to market opening, I'd expect the Browns to be among his chief suitors
With Packers having difficulty locking up CB Sam Shields prior to market opening, I'd expect the Browns to be among his chief suitors
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Mar 1, 2014 3:53pm
Sam Shields would be a solid pickup, pretty young too, if memory serves.
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Mar 1, 2014 4:15pm
That would definitely be an upgrade on Skrine. I'd be alright with it assuming the contract is reasonable...
shook_17
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Mar 1, 2014 4:30pm
Yes please on Sam Shields.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Mar 1, 2014 5:46pm
Pick him up.
Also, I'm thinking we need Watkins/QB with our first round. Pairing him with Gordon and Cameron will give our offense a dynamic aspect. Thoughts?
Also, I'm thinking we need Watkins/QB with our first round. Pairing him with Gordon and Cameron will give our offense a dynamic aspect. Thoughts?
Lovejoy1984
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Mar 1, 2014 5:53pm
I'd be ok with Watkins at 4, as long as the QB the team is targeting is off the board.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Mar 1, 2014 6:58pm
Pass on Watkins. He will be good, but name the last team with two super star WRs to win a SB. That's not a model that wins titles.
Lovejoy1984
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Mar 1, 2014 7:10pm
Thats a good point.like_that;1586031 wrote:Pass on Watkins. He will be good, but name the last team with two super star WRs to win a SB. That's not a model that wins titles.
I can't really think of one either.
Benny The Jet
Posts: 2,987
Mar 1, 2014 8:32pm
True, but how many teams have 1 of their star WR one strike away from a lengthy suspension, and their next best receiver is Greg Freekin Little? I'd be for Watkins. Not overly thrilled with any of the QB's or defensive players that are available at that picklike_that;1586031 wrote:Pass on Watkins. He will be good, but name the last team with two super star WRs to win a SB. That's not a model that wins titles.