IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Aug 18, 2014 11:16pm
If anything he validated he should be starting.vball10set;1645550 wrote:^^^your boy looked pathetic... hope this helps.
Hoyer was even worse, and if they both suck at least go with the guy who has a future and some upside.
Hoyer is exactly what I have been saying he is. They should cut him, let Johnny start, Rex back-up and keep Shaw as a 3rd stringer.
Every regular season snap Hoyer takes is just this franchise wasting time.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Aug 18, 2014 11:22pm
Farmer needs to take a round of applause as well.
He was too cool to do anything of substance to address the WR position, and we have the worst group in the NFL now. The only guy that has half an ounce of talent is about to miss a good chunk or all of the season.
Good thing he didn't alter his draft board when the news came down. I guess living in denial made him feel good, but now Browns fans everywhere have to pay the price with unwatchable offense yet again.
He was too cool to do anything of substance to address the WR position, and we have the worst group in the NFL now. The only guy that has half an ounce of talent is about to miss a good chunk or all of the season.
Good thing he didn't alter his draft board when the news came down. I guess living in denial made him feel good, but now Browns fans everywhere have to pay the price with unwatchable offense yet again.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Aug 19, 2014 5:01am
Cool story bro.rydawg5;1645530 wrote:So when I was 5-6 years old and I began loving the Browns with Bernie Kosar, Reggie Langhorne, Kevin Mack, Ernest Byner, Brian Brennen, Ozzie Newsome, Webster Slaughter, Michael-Dean Perry, Matt Bahr, Frank Minnefield, Clay Mathews, etc.. that doesn't qualify me as a Browns fan?
Or do Browns fans have to put there blinders on like when they gave me shit for saying Colt McCoy wasn't the answer either?
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Aug 19, 2014 6:21am
first team defense looked really good, and is about the only thing I took out of this game.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Aug 19, 2014 6:53am
Using this logic and based on last night's performance, then cut 'em both, make Shaw your #1 with Rex backing up.IggyPride00;1645554 wrote:
...and if they both suck at least go with the guy who has a future and some upside
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 19, 2014 7:25am
Can Brian Sipe still play? God that was awful. Looking like the offense is going to either need to bust off long runs for TD's or the defense is going to have to score points. Wouldn't surprise me, at this point, if Hoyer is one of the final cuts. Manziel looked clueless and like shit too. Doesn't matter if Josh Gordon is suspended at this point because a) it looks like he has no interest in playing and b) the Browns have nobody who can get him the ball.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Aug 19, 2014 7:55am
Other than Shaw's Hail Mary at the end....has any of our QBs thrown downfield? ...in either game?
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 19, 2014 8:03am
Not really. They either run the ball or throw short checkdowns.HitsRus;1645587 wrote:Other than Shaw's Hail Mary at the end....has any of our QBs thrown downfield? ...in either game?
The running game looks solid along with the defense. Besides the QB's, except for running the ball, the O-Line looked like shit too. Schwartz was getting pushed back into the backfield repeatedly.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Aug 19, 2014 8:25am
I will say it again, Kirk Cousins is better than both our QBs. Trade them both for him just so we can see Foot and IQQy go nuts.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Aug 19, 2014 8:48am
Hello everyone, let's stop worrying about 2 preseason games, in a new offense, with a qb battle going on. Hoyer was 3-0 as a starter last year and is coming off an acl tear. These are his first 2 games back in action. Everyone just calm the fuck down.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Aug 19, 2014 8:51am
I'm hoping the browns are just trying to get the QBs reps, because when it counts they better run the ball more.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 19, 2014 9:00am
Running game looked pretty solid with Tate averaging 5.1 ypc and West averaging almost 4.like_that;1645603 wrote:I'm hoping the browns are just trying to get the QBs reps, because when it counts they better run the ball more.
I have no issue with getting them reps but the accuracy issues are glaring to me. It would be one thing if the WR's were dropping everything but these QB's are missing badly with their throws.
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Aug 19, 2014 9:05am
I'm not worried. The inaccuracy could be due to a number of things. They made the right reads and whoever gets ALL of the first team reps this week will look much better next game. Splitting reps again would be a terrible idea.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Aug 19, 2014 9:15am
Lol stfuIggyPride00;1645556 wrote:Farmer needs to take a round of applause as well.
He was too cool to do anything of substance to address the WR position, and we have the worst group in the NFL now. The only guy that has half an ounce of talent is about to miss a good chunk or all of the season.
Good thing he didn't alter his draft board when the news came down. I guess living in denial made him feel good, but now Browns fans everywhere have to pay the price with unwatchable offense yet again.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Aug 19, 2014 9:19am
To me it looked like the timing was off all game between receivers and qb. A huge reason for that is the splitting if repainted practice. I know as a receiver it's tough to get good timing with 2 different qb's especially when they have different styles. Once a qb gets most the reps those accuracy issue will improve greatly.BR1986FB;1645606 wrote:Running game looked pretty solid with Tate averaging 5.1 ypc and West averaging almost 4.
I have no issue with getting them reps but the accuracy issues are glaring to me. It would be one thing if the WR's were dropping everything but these QB's are missing badly with their throws.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Aug 19, 2014 9:22am
Agreed. One play specifically was johnny to I think cameron. Johnny thought he was going to sit down in the coverage but cameron kept his route going. Give the starting qb a few weeks with just the number 1's and that familiarity will be there for the season.Crimson streak;1645619 wrote:To me it looked like the timing was off all game between receivers and qb. A huge reason for that is the splitting if repainted practice. I know as a receiver it's tough to get good timing with 2 different qb's especially when they have different styles. Once a qb gets most the reps those accuracy issue will improve greatly.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Aug 19, 2014 9:23am
Even though they both looked shitty, I think you gotta go with Hoyer week 1. Manziel isn't ready.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Aug 19, 2014 9:29am
Hoyer, to my eyes at least, looked like he was comfortable in the pocket. Like he was going through the reads and had a calmness about him.Automatik;1645622 wrote:Even though they both looked shitty, I think you gotta go with Hoyer week 1. Manziel isn't ready.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Aug 19, 2014 9:30am
Both our QB's are shitty at the moment and had accuracy issues, but why does it seem that our receivers are incapable of catching anything that isn't 100% on the numbers?
Some of those balls were behind the receivers, but they got both hands on the ball most of the time. In the NFL you have to catch those. I watch other teams and their receivers always manage to bring in balls that would be drops with this group.
Be it Hoyer or Johnny they need more help from the receivers catching balls that are catchable even though they aren't perfect.
This has been going on for years now, and I just don't understand it.
Some of those balls were behind the receivers, but they got both hands on the ball most of the time. In the NFL you have to catch those. I watch other teams and their receivers always manage to bring in balls that would be drops with this group.
Be it Hoyer or Johnny they need more help from the receivers catching balls that are catchable even though they aren't perfect.
This has been going on for years now, and I just don't understand it.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Aug 19, 2014 9:32am
Yeah, Manziel was skittish at times. Unless he shows he's significantly better throughout the rest of camp/preseason, no fucking way you throw him out there week 1.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Aug 19, 2014 9:42am
It doesn't matter, same shit different year. We are going to go 4-12 Pettine will be fired and we will switch back to the 4-3.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Aug 19, 2014 9:43am
Honestly you give Hoyer the nod weeks 1-3. If we start 1-2 or 0-3 you start Manziel after the bye week. It gives him another month or so to get comfortable with the offense and being in the pocket.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Aug 19, 2014 9:50am
Agreed. My feelings are that if you think you legitimately have something in Manziel, but he's still skittish, you don't throw your "commodity" to the wolves. Let Hoyer take the beating if they both suck and bring JFF in later after he's watched.shook_17;1645634 wrote:Honestly you give Hoyer the nod weeks 1-3. If we start 1-2 or 0-3 you start Manziel after the bye week. It gives him another month or so to get comfortable with the offense and being in the pocket.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Aug 19, 2014 10:07am
They need to decide like last week whom the starter is so he can get prepared for the season. Splitting of snaps for the QB is only going to make this worse.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Aug 19, 2014 10:26am
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/08/19/johnny-manziel-in-focus/
Looks like manziel played like shit
Looks like manziel played like shit