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Footwedge
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Jun 1, 2014 10:36am
Manziel will start over the undrafted free agent from Michigan State who has a whopping 2 NFL starts under his belt. The future is now.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jun 1, 2014 11:16am
Not period. If Manziel beats him out, he'll start. If your point is that you think Hoyer is good enough to hold off on losing the QB competition to Manziel right now, then I agree. If that's not your point, I'm not sure what is: that JFF should sit no matter what (barring injury)?vball10set;1621442 wrote:The only way this happens is if Hoyer gets hurt. Period.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jun 1, 2014 11:18am
The best QB will start. I don't really give a fuck who that is. Just put out a good, quality QB and I'll be happy.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 1, 2014 11:47am
I haven't seen enough of Hoyer to know whether he can, or can't, hold off JFF. His history shows he's a journeyman, run of the mill, QB. Could he be a late bloomer? Possibly, but unlikely. He was much better than anything on the roster last year but that's not saying much.lhslep134;1621477 wrote:Not period. If Manziel beats him out, he'll start. If your point is that you think Hoyer is good enough to hold off on losing the QB competition to Manziel right now, then I agree. If that's not your point, I'm not sure what is: that JFF should sit no matter what (barring injury)?
He may have more experience than Manziel but we all must keep in mind that Hoyer, besides being the veteran, doesn't really have an advantage in this competition. They are both learning a new system from square one.
Unless Hoyer clearly beats him out I think Manziel is the starter, week 1, simply for the dynamic he brings on offense.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Jun 1, 2014 12:03pm
Avatar wager, providing they both stay healthy throughout the process?shook_17;1621467 wrote:Or the fact that Manziel might just be better overall? That could have something to do with it. If Manziel is playing lights out and Hoyer looks average, sorry JFF starts.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jun 1, 2014 12:05pm
Don't undersell the importance of having played in the NFL for a few years. To me that's a big advantage, at least when it comes to a QB competition. This was Hoyer's team last year, which distinguishes the situation somewhat from the Flynn (just brought in during FA)/Wilson one.BR1986FB;1621490 wrote:
He may have more experience than Manziel but we all must keep in mind that Hoyer, besides being the veteran, doesn't really have an advantage in this competition.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jun 1, 2014 12:14pm
Why so quick to deem Hoyer as the man?
He started 3 games, went out on the 4th? "His team?"
He started 3 games, went out on the 4th? "His team?"
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Jun 1, 2014 12:56pm
The same type nimrods were calling for Wayne Kirby to start in front of Manny Ramirez back in 1995...(or was it 1994?)
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Footwedge
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Jun 1, 2014 1:15pm
Just to add on here. Gilbert started for 4 years and had 12 picks. Haden played 3 years at Florida and had 8 picks. DesIr might be another steal in this year's draft.Footwedge;1621434 wrote:Pierre Desir is beyond intriguing. The man picked off 25 balls in college. 25! Why did teams even throw in his direction? Doesn't matter if it's division 18 or worse. 25 picks is unreal. Seems to me this guy needs to play more than just nickel/dime packages. I can dream that this guy will be a Larry Wilson or Willie Wood type free safety. Can't be that hard to learn the safety position.
I'm also hopeful that Travis Benjamin returns to form and is healthy. Losing him, Hoyer and Dion Lewis was a cruel blow and sealed Chud's fate. Benjamin could be a stud this year....at least he will be given the opportunity to be one.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jun 1, 2014 2:01pm
No ones really deeming him the man, but the city had a lot of excitement when he became the starter last year. He was really good. We were winning. Then he got hurt and the air was popped.Automatik;1621499 wrote:Why so quick to deem Hoyer as the man?
He started 3 games, went out on the 4th? "His team?"
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Jun 1, 2014 2:01pm
I mean what I said--if both QB's stay healthy, Hoyer will be the starter in the opener. Period.lhslep134;1621477 wrote:Not period. If Manziel beats him out, he'll start. If your point is that you think Hoyer is good enough to hold off on losing the QB competition to Manziel right now..
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jun 1, 2014 2:02pm
Chud not being a very good head coach sealed chuds fate.Footwedge;1621513 wrote:Just to add on here. Gilbert started for 4 years and had 12 picks. Haden played 3 years at Florida and had 8 picks. DesIr might be another steal in this year's draft.
I'm also hopeful that Travis Benjamin returns to form and is healthy. Losing him, Hoyer and Dion Lewis was a cruel blow and sealed Chud's fate. Benjamin could be a stud this year....at least he will be given the opportunity to be one.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jun 1, 2014 2:14pm
I hope our coaches don't think like you do.vball10set;1621522 wrote:I mean what I said--if both QB's stay healthy, Hoyer will be the starter in the opener. Period.
That's an absolute retarded philosophy to have.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jun 1, 2014 2:15pm
I agree completely. It was night and day compared to Weeden, but would just be hesitant to say "his team."SportsAndLady;1621521 wrote:No ones really deeming him the man, but the city had a lot of excitement when he became the starter last year. He was really good. We were winning. Then he got hurt and the air was popped.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jun 1, 2014 2:20pm
I'm just doubtful he'll be playing at the same level from before he was hurt. That injury isn't easy to come back on.Automatik;1621533 wrote:I agree completely. It was night and day compared to Weeden, but would just be hesitant to say "his team."
Coaching staff needs to just play who is better. Period. The days of age mattering in the NFL is done with. Play the better QB and keep the backup happy and ready to play at any given time.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Jun 1, 2014 2:53pm
The guy can't go 6 minutes without pulling a hammy or hurting himself.Benjamin could be a stud this year
At least we signed Miles Austin so he has someone to hang out with on IR all season while they rehab their numerous injuries.
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vball10set
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Jun 1, 2014 3:04pm
Then you have absolutely no idea what I'm saying. If both QB's stay healthy, and Hoyer is the starter, then just wtf do you think that means? It means he beat Manziel out. Period.SportsAndLady;1621532 wrote:I hope our coaches don't think like you do.
That's an absolute retarded philosophy to have.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jun 1, 2014 4:36pm
My bad I see what you meant now. I took it as hoyer should be the starter if both are healthy...no matter what.vball10set;1621552 wrote:Then you have absolutely no idea what I'm saying. If both QB's stay healthy, and Hoyer is the starter, then just wtf do you think that means? It means he beat Manziel out. Period.
I think manziel could very easily beat out hoyer for the starting job. I hope he does, because that would more than likely mean he's pretty damn good (since I think hoyer is good)
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Jun 1, 2014 4:57pm
Never said Chud was great. But Vince Lombardi would not have won with last year's team. Those 3 injuries sealed Chud's fate.SportsAndLady;1621523 wrote:Chud not being a very good head coach sealed chuds fate.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Jun 1, 2014 5:00pm
Benjamin was pretty healthy his rookie season. He's very explosive and this team is gonna need him.IggyPride00;1621549 wrote:The guy can't go 6 minutes without pulling a hammy or hurting himself.
At least we signed Miles Austin so he has someone to hang out with on IR all season while they rehab their numerous injuries.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Jun 1, 2014 5:31pm
I'm not a douche bag. If you want to make a bet, make it money. I don't do avatar bets lolololo sorry.vball10set;1621494 wrote:Avatar wager, providing they both stay healthy throughout the process?
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Jun 1, 2014 6:26pm
lolololo :rolleyes:shook_17;1621599 wrote:I'm not a douche bag. If you want to make a bet, make it money. I don't do avatar bets lolololo sorry.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Jun 1, 2014 6:27pm
I agree, it's a win-win either way.SportsAndLady;1621574 wrote:My bad I see what you meant now. I took it as hoyer should be the starter if both are healthy...no matter what.
I think manziel could very easily beat out hoyer for the starting job. I hope he does, because that would more than likely mean he's pretty damn good (since I think hoyer is good)
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Jun 1, 2014 7:23pm
Benjamin is nothing more than a returner (and a darn good one). I wont expect to see much contribution at WR because he just isn't that good.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jun 1, 2014 7:50pm
vball10set;1621620 wrote:I agree, it's a win-win either way.
I interpreted what you said the same way S&L did. But yeah I'm on the same page on you guys. I'll be happy whoever wins the job as long as they won it meritoriously.