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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Jan 2, 2014 7:05pm
Manziel is NOT an NFL QB. Period.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Jan 2, 2014 7:06pm
It is coachable, but it's a big change, and you have to wonder if it takes away his effectiveness by trying to make him a pocket QB. That's why I think he's a boom or bust guy. I'll be a big Johnny Football fan if the Browns draft him though. I also think #3 is a positive for him. He's going to be confident, which is a problem for a lot of rookie QB's.like_that;1560991 wrote:The trending reasons why people don't like Manziel (and i am not speaking for COA) is:
-Not big enough.
-He will run around too much, and won't get away with that in the NFL (because this obviously isnt coachable /sarcasm)
-He is a dick
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jan 2, 2014 7:06pm
vball10set;1560997 wrote:Manziel is NOT an NFL QB. Period.
Why not?
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jan 2, 2014 7:11pm
Define NFL QB?vball10set;1560997 wrote:Manziel is NOT an NFL QB. Period.
Hes gonna be drafted in the first round and unlike Tebow the talk has only about being drafted/played at QB.
I'm curious to your defintion.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Jan 2, 2014 7:25pm
Same thing said about Brees, Wilson. Size doesn't matter if you are accurate and can move around to get into the throwing lanes.like_that;1560991 wrote:The trending reasons why people don't like Manziel (and i am not speaking for COA) is:
-Not big enough.
-He will run around too much, and won't get away with that in the NFL (because this obviously isnt coachable /sarcasm)
-He is a dick
Also, Brady wasn't even on the radar because "he didn't have an NFL skillset" We try and scrutinize these players way too much which is the reasoning why Wilson fell to the third round. Manziel dominated SEC competition. Plain and simple.
You said the same thing about Wilson probably too. "too small to see over the line". Dumb, dumb logic.vball10set;1560997 wrote:Manziel is NOT an NFL QB. Period.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jan 2, 2014 7:29pm
This is why I would take him.DeyDurkie5;1561008 wrote: Manziel dominated SEC competition. Plain and simple.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jan 2, 2014 7:29pm
I'd take a guess that he thought Troy Smith would be legit in the NFL.
The point....you don't fucking know.
The point....you don't fucking know.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 2, 2014 7:31pm
I have no idea what to think about Manziel...zero clue whether his game will transition over to the NFL...so not going to comment on it. Just gonna hope this front office can go after their guy, get him, and he pans out.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Jan 2, 2014 7:49pm
Ultimately, this is what we all want!SportsAndLady;1561012 wrote:I have no idea what to think about Manziel...zero clue whether his game will transition over to the NFL...so not going to comment on it. Just gonna hope this front office can go after their guy, get him, and he pans out.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Jan 2, 2014 7:54pm
Difference between those guys and Manziel, is that Manziel's biggest weapon is his legs. Brees and Wilson are highly cerebral QB's and they scramble to get in better position to make plays with their arms. Can Manziel do that in the NFL? It will be very interesting to find out. When there's 2 QB's out of 32 that can do it effectively, the odds aren't really with him. He is probably the most intriguing prospect though.DeyDurkie5;1561008 wrote:Same thing said about Brees, Wilson. Size doesn't matter if you are accurate and can move around to get into the throwing lanes.
Also, Brady wasn't even on the radar because "he didn't have an NFL skillset" We try and scrutinize these players way too much which is the reasoning why Wilson fell to the third round. Manziel dominated SEC competition. Plain and simple.
You said the same thing about Wilson probably too. "too small to see over the line". Dumb, dumb logic.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Jan 2, 2014 8:04pm
like_that;1560991 wrote:The trending reasons why people don't like Manziel (and i am not speaking for COA) is:
-Not big enough.
-He will run around too much, and won't get away with that in the NFL (because this obviously isnt coachable /sarcasm)
-He is a dick
Wilson's biggest attribute is his ability to scramble when the play breaks down. Get out of here with that.se-alum;1561016 wrote:Difference between those guys and Manziel, is that Manziel's biggest weapon is his legs. Brees and Wilson are highly cerebral QB's and they scramble to get in better position to make plays with their arms. Can Manziel do that in the NFL? It will be very interesting to find out. When there's 2 QB's out of 32 that can do it effectively, the odds aren't really with him. He is probably the most intriguing prospect though.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jan 2, 2014 8:06pm
Really? Manziel makes shit happen with his arm when the play breaks down all the time.
I seriously doubt that some of the naysayers have actually watched anything other than Sportscenter highlights of this kid.
I seriously doubt that some of the naysayers have actually watched anything other than Sportscenter highlights of this kid.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Jan 2, 2014 8:13pm
I mean, he completes 70% of his passes against SEC West competition..His arm isn't exactly a liability.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Jan 2, 2014 8:17pm
I agree with you. But Colt Mccoy had amazing percentages coming out too.Pick6;1561032 wrote:I mean, he completes 70% of his passes against SEC West competition..His arm isn't exactly a liability.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Jan 2, 2014 8:28pm
Case Keenum threw for 5000 yards 3 times under Sumlin, being over 70% twice. That's just what Kevin Sumlin QB's do.Midstate01;1561041 wrote:I agree with you. But Colt Mccoy had amazing percentages coming out too.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jan 2, 2014 8:32pm
What other Kevin Sumlin QBs had stats like that?
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 2, 2014 8:34pm
My wife watched him for about 10 min and said that he reminded her of Phillip Rivers.
I kind of agree.....same pissy fire that I hate, but fuckin cocky SOB pretty much feels entitled to win. Rivers doesn't really move at all but can see over the line with a lightning quick release gets it done.....Manziel had at least as much fire but can make things happen with his legs more than enough to be productive. I think his height will keep him from being a Pro Bowl QB......but if he ended up as the second coming of Jeff Garcia I wouldn't be shocked.
He is damn intriguing.
I kind of agree.....same pissy fire that I hate, but fuckin cocky SOB pretty much feels entitled to win. Rivers doesn't really move at all but can see over the line with a lightning quick release gets it done.....Manziel had at least as much fire but can make things happen with his legs more than enough to be productive. I think his height will keep him from being a Pro Bowl QB......but if he ended up as the second coming of Jeff Garcia I wouldn't be shocked.
He is damn intriguing.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Jan 2, 2014 8:35pm
Only Been a HC for 6 years....so 5 of his starting QB's have put up Video Game numbers. Does kinda scream system.Automatik;1561050 wrote:What other Kevin Sumlin QBs had stats like that?
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Jan 2, 2014 8:41pm
He's only been a head coach for those two schools, but he was the OC for Sam Bradford for a year too.Automatik;1561050 wrote:What other Kevin Sumlin QBs had stats like that?
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Jan 2, 2014 10:57pm
He's half the size of Rivers. I don't knock his talent, I knock his ability to improvise without getting broke in halfIronman92;1561051 wrote:My wife watched him for about 10 min and said that he reminded her of Phillip Rivers.
I kind of agree.....same pissy fire that I hate, but fuckin cocky SOB pretty much feels entitled to win. Rivers doesn't really move at all but can see over the line with a lightning quick release gets it done.....Manziel had at least as much fire but can make things happen with his legs more than enough to be productive. I think his height will keep him from being a Pro Bowl QB......but if he ended up as the second coming of Jeff Garcia I wouldn't be shocked.
He is damn intriguing.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jan 2, 2014 11:02pm
5 inches and 20 lbs difference....but 1/2 second quicker 40bases_loaded;1561131 wrote:He's half the size of Rivers. I don't knock his talent, I knock his ability to improvise without getting broke in half
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jan 3, 2014 1:56pm
Mack, JT, Haden, Gordon, and Ward all-pros. Gotta love how Ward wasn't voted to the pro bowl. So that pretty much makes 6 all-pro caliber players on this team if you add Cameron with his Pro Bowl spot, and we only had 4 wins to show for it. I don't give a fuck what some dipshit blogger says, the Browns job is a lot more attractive with 6 top players in the NFL, and 2 upcoming first round picks.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000308570/article/2013-allpro-teams
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000308570/article/2013-allpro-teams
rrfan
Posts: 1,922
Jan 3, 2014 2:48pm
I agree with that.like_that;1561334 wrote:Mack, JT, Haden, Gordon, and Ward all-pros. Gotta love how Ward wasn't voted to the pro bowl. So that pretty much makes 6 all-pro caliber players on this team if you add Cameron with his Pro Bowl spot, and we only had 4 wins to show for it. I don't give a fuck what some dipshit blogger says, the Browns job is a lot more attractive with 6 top players in the NFL, and 2 upcoming first round picks.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000308570/article/2013-allpro-teams
On Johnny Football is he able to stay healthy in the NFL would be a huge question for me. I love the free wheeling style he plays with but he can not take shots like he did in College and expect to play more than about 5 games a year. Who know if any of these kids will be good at the next level?
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jan 3, 2014 4:09pm
I don't trust manziel's mechanics or decision making. He makes so many off balance/back foot/across his body throws that I just don't see him getting away with in the league.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Jan 3, 2014 5:05pm
But but but.....he dominated mediocre to bad SEC defenses!Mulva;1561388 wrote:I don't trust manziel's mechanics or decision making. He makes so many off balance/back foot/across his body throws that I just don't see him getting away with in the league.