Arizona St at UCLA
Texas A&M at LSU
Baylor at Oklahoma State - I think all Buckeye fans will be keeping an eye on this game.

1. Alabama
2. FSU
3. OSU
4. Baylor
5. Oregon
6. Auburn

After the top 6, you can shuffle most of those teams and it would look fine.

Sportswriters drop Buckeyes to #4 in the basically worthless AP poll: http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings/_/poll/1

1a. Bama
1b. FSU
3. OSU
4. Baylor
5. Oregon
6. Mizzou
7. MSU
8. Auburn
9. Clemson
10. Ok St.
11. Stanford
12. TAMU
13. South Carolina
14. Wisconsin
15. UCLA

Right now, Baylor is behind Ohio State.

If Baylor wins out though, they absolutely deserve to be ahead of them. Top to bottom, the Big 12 is better than the B1G.

The question is, will the name "Baylor" be better than the name "Ohio State."

Azubuike24;1537413 wrote:Right now, Baylor is behind Ohio State.

If Baylor wins out though, they absolutely deserve to be ahead of them. Top to bottom, the Big 12 is better than the B1G.

The question is, will the name "Baylor" be better than the name "Ohio State."

If they win out and OSU wins out...why should Baylor be ahead of OSU? OVERALL, the schedules are similar in terms of quality teams both have played. If the Big12(teams Baylor has played) is better its not by much IMO. Baylor/ OSU similar. MSU/Okl St., Okl/Whisky , Texas/Mich, Minny/TT. And I happen to think that Whisky is better than Okl. And Minn could be better than TT as well. Its really splitting hairs IMO. So no, I don't agree if both win out, that Baylor deserves to move ahead.

Buckeyes didnt play Minnesota.

Pick6;1537430 wrote:Buckeyes didnt play Minnesota.

I realize this. Just saying overall, I don't see the Big12 as THAT much better, if better at all. The top half teams are very similar. After that, does it really matter? OSU and Baylor have, should and will clean up those teams from that point down. So at that point, does it really matter that much?

Team for team, it's pretty even. The Big 12 has less teams obviously.

I'd say at the very bottom, it's pretty equal. I think in the middle, Texas Tech, K-State and Texas are stronger than Michigan, Penn State, Iowa and Nebraska.

I also would say Baylor has been more impressive. They have yet to be challenged, in any game. Now, that might change in the next few weeks. However, assuming they continue to win impressively, it should be enough to get them over the hump.

With that said, lets be honest. The most likely "LOSS" for any of the 4 remaining BCS unbeatens is Baylor at Oklahoma State. It's really unfair to discuss it until they get past that. Okie State has been on fire though. If Baylor rolls them, it becomes a big talking point.

That's why I said "IF.'

Azubuike24;1537452 wrote:Team for team, it's pretty even. The Big 12 has less teams obviously.

I'd say at the very bottom, it's pretty equal. I think in the middle, Texas Tech, K-State and Texas are stronger than Michigan, Penn State, Iowa and Nebraska.

I also would say Baylor has been more impressive. They have yet to be challenged, in any game. Now, that might change in the next few weeks. However, assuming they continue to win impressively, it should be enough to get them over the hump.

With that said, lets be honest. The most likely "LOSS" for any of the 4 remaining BCS unbeatens is Baylor at Oklahoma State. It's really unfair to discuss it until they get past that. Okie State has been on fire though. If Baylor rolls them, it becomes a big talking point.

That's why I said "IF.'

Baylor had to rally with 14pts in the 4th qtr to beat Kansas State. They were down going into the fourth. A Kansas St. team who lost to North Dakota St.

A K-State team that has had something "click" recently. They are really playing well. Very, very similar to Minnesota.

K-State lost to Texas by 10, OSU by 4 and Baylor by 10. They have won 4 straight since. They may end up at 8-4.

It's not an excuse, but that "close game" doesn't look that bad in the end.

...and, Oklahoma State has been on fire lately. Until Baylor beats them (and if they do it impressively) do we start actually ranking them above OSU.

As of right now, they aren't more deserving. The BCS standings are reflecting that, but it's close enough that a few weeks and depending on the "eye test", could change.

Ohio State has the potential to hang 70 on Indiana, and IMO, they should do so. It's gonna matter. They can't afford a 56-38 game or something like that because IU can put up some points.

Azubuike24;1537746 wrote:Ohio State has the potential to hang 70 on Indiana, and IMO, they should do so. It's gonna matter. They can't afford a 56-38 game or something like that because IU can put up some points.

Last year...OSU 52 - Indiana 49. If that happens again (not likely) the Buckeyes will definitely shoot themselves in the foot.

Azubuike24;1537744 wrote:A K-State team that has had something "click" recently. They are really playing well. Very, very similar to Minnesota.

K-State lost to Texas by 10, OSU by 4 and Baylor by 10. They have won 4 straight since. They may end up at 8-4.

It's not an excuse, but that "close game" doesn't look that bad in the end.

At the point they beat KSU, KSU was not very good. And I was also referring to the point that you said they had not been challenged. When in fact they were against a 2-3 at that point. That win is less impressive than OSU beating the crap out of PSU if you want to compare apples to apples.

Again, why should Baylor jump OSU if both win out? Baylor currently has two ranked teams on their schedule. OSU currently has two ranked teams. Okl St. and Mich St are close in rankings. Wisconsin is currently ahead of Okl and by all accounts, should only have one loss as well. WHich would have them ranked higher. Beating Michigan AT Michigan in a rival game is going to be more impressive than beating Texas in a home game. So again, NO, I don't agree Baylor schedule is any more impressive than OSU. And could argue its worse when its all said and done.
Is the Big12 middle that much better? PSU, Iowa and Minny all are decent with winning records.

I think we both make valid points. That's why perception and "the eye test" will drive who finishes higher. The human polls are going to be a major factor. If we just forget everything that has happened and take it from the point we stand today (with OSU above Baylor by a pretty slim margin), neither team can afford to have a letdown, even if that letdown still means a W in the standings.

I don't really have a dog in the fight with either team and both need help from outside places to play for a national title. However, it's a very real possibility that the debate comes to fruition if Bama or FSU loses. Right now, it's a pretty clear consensus who should be 1 and 2, but as soon as a slip-up occurs, the debate between the current 3 and 4 becomes a BIG DEAL.

Azubuike24;1537911 wrote:I think we both make valid points. That's why perception and "the eye test" will drive who finishes higher. The human polls are going to be a major factor. If we just forget everything that has happened and take it from the point we stand today (with OSU above Baylor by a pretty slim margin), neither team can afford to have a letdown, even if that letdown still means a W in the standings.

I don't really have a dog in the fight with either team and both need help from outside places to play for a national title. However, it's a very real possibility that the debate comes to fruition if Bama or FSU loses. Right now, it's a pretty clear consensus who should be 1 and 2, but as soon as a slip-up occurs, the debate between the current 3 and 4 becomes a BIG DEAL.

Don't disagree. Just cannot agree, based on facts I have provided, that Baylor should in anyway pass OSU. Even in the AP poll. I think its a joke. OSU loses points after easily putting up 60 on someone? As I said, when Oregon was doing that, people were gushing over it. No matter who they played. OSU gets criticized.
Bama struggles to beat a 4-6(1-6 SEC) team, that was playing their 2nd team QB, had to go to 3rd team QB, and they lose 1 pt in the AP poll?
Last week everyone was gushing over Stanford, many arguing they should be above OSU. They now have 2 losses, both unranked.
On top of that, I have to listen to Mark May absolutely rip OSU at half, as well as the game announcers of ESPN. The reality is, its all a bit ridiculous when this team, this program has won 22 straight. Yes, we can all admit this and that about the Big10. But in the reality of things, the ACC and Big12 are really NOT that much better, if at all.

Azubuike24;1537746 wrote:...and, Oklahoma State has been on fire lately. Until Baylor beats them (and if they do it impressively) do we start actually ranking them above OSU.

As of right now, they aren't more deserving. The BCS standings are reflecting that, but it's close enough that a few weeks and depending on the "eye test", could change.

Ohio State has the potential to hang 70 on Indiana, and IMO, they should do so. It's gonna matter. They can't afford a 56-38 game or something like that because IU can put up some points.

Ohio State could win 200-0 and they still wouldn't pass FSU/Bama in the eyes of the voter. The media seems to want Baylor to surpass Ohio State too. At this point, I just want to win the next 2 games and the B1G championship and go on to whatever bowl game they put us in and win that too. Oklahoma won 47 straight back in the day and I'd love to see Ohio State beat that. I think Ohio State will be even better next year and will start the season off as #1 in the country.

sleeper;1537937 wrote: . At this point, I just want to win the next 2 games and the B1G championship and go on to whatever bowl game they put us in and win that too.

My thought as well.

I think OSU will be scary good next season.

Other than a few on this board and most of our surrounding folks around Ohio (who aren't OSU fans), I don't think many people care whether it's Baylor or Ohio State for "next in-line."

ernest_t_bass;1537969 wrote:I think OSU will be scary good next season.

Losing a damn good offensive line. I believe 4 starters. As well as Hyde. And possibly (doubtful) Miller. Defense should be improved as they are pretty young. But still going to lose Roby and Barnett and possibly Shazier. Better than this year? THAT much better than this year? Quite a few questions. But with the 4 team playoff, I will feel hell of a lot better about chances of getting into that than what is likely going to happen this year.

1. Bama
2. FSU
3. Ohio St
4. Auburn
5. Ok St
6. Missouri
7. Clemson
8. Stanford
9. South Carolina
10. Mich St
11. Baylor
12. Oregon
13. Arizona St
14. Wisconsin
15. LSU

1. Bama
2. FSU
3. OSU
4. Missouri
5. Auburn
6. Clemson
7. OK ST
8. Michigan St
9. Stanford
10. ASU
11. Wisconsin
12. South Carolina
13. UCF
14. Fresno St
15. Baylor

1. Alabama
2. Ohio St
3. Florida St
4. Auburn
5. Ok State
6. Mizzou
7. Clemson
8. Michigan St
9. Stanford
10. South Carolina
11. Arizona St
12. Wisconsin
13. Baylor
14. UCF
15. Fresno St

1. Florida State
2. Alabama
3. Ohio State
4. Auburn
5. Missouri
6. Clemson
7. Stanford
8. Oklahoma State
9. Michigan State
10.South Carolina
11. UCF
12. Wisconsin
13. Arizona State
14. Baylor
15. Fresno State
16. LSU
17. Northern Illinois
18. Louisville
19. Oklahoma
20. Texas A&M
21. Duke
22. USC
23. UCLA
24. Notre Dame
25. Texas

1.Bama
1b. FSU
3. OSU
4. Auburn
5. Mizzou
6. Clemson
7. Stanford
8. Ok St.
9. MSU
10. South Carolina
11. Baylor
12. Wisconsin
13. Zona St.
14. UCF
15. LSU